Best place to buy LEDs in Aus?

[Badseed77]

All the knockers of leds have asked for is a diary from beginning to end using LEDs just to show how the plants grow and results .

 

And once again we get just get fed shit ! 

 

Just someone do a legitimate  diary   using LEDS and just shut the fuck up and let the results speak for them selves . You sound like you think you know your sit but if you cant walk the walk....

  Anyone that blows smoke up there ass with nothing to back it up with is called a wanker you should know that if you are from Australia .

You sound like another internet hero all theory and no practice .

[Naycha]

Hi Guys,

 

Ive been a member of RIU, ic420 and grasscity for a LONG time, Recently, after the National attitude change towards cannabis, i decided to join my Countries medical marijuana forum.

 

I joined to educate some serious retards in this forum on LED technology.

 

1. If you havent used BOTH LED & HID/HPS, kindly stfu and listem, you have no experience to base an argument on, thus what you have to say is null and void, and by voicing it, reinforces my point your a fuckwit.

2. There is no "best LED", "best array", "best grow light" etc etc.

 

Now to cover some very simple basics, the watts are irrelevant, its the BIN that determines the quality of the LED grow light, some manufacturer seperate BINS better than others... thus, I can have HIGH BIN LEDS drawing 300w OR i can have LOW BIN LEDS drawing 300w...

Now the big difference is the amount of light and penetrating power being produced per watt being drawn. simple... Chinese knock offs have the power draw, they do not have the intensity... So when I string up 4 x 300W panels of high quality VS low quality, the total amount of coverage, intensity and penetration lost, is HUGE. Thus yields are affected. This phenomena does not occur with HPS/HID. 

 

Furthermore, HPS and HID burn useless energy in wasted spectrums, so LED is simply maximisng effeciency.

 

By using "bridgeflux" or "cree" HIGH BIN LEDS, you produce maximum lux at the same current. difference between high and low is usually a total output of 100 vs 60. almost 50% for the sake for saving maybe $1.00, - $1.50.

 

LED can EASILY grow on par with HPS or HID.

 

Source: I make LED grow panels for myself, I am unemployed and spend all my time doing things that make me happy, electronics and robotics mainly. So when I say to you that LED can grow on par with HID or HPS, i speak from experience, people who buy LED grow panels are not going to enter a shit flinging match with some dickhead on the internet, bringing god knows how much attention to themselves.

 

I cant believe half the crap i read here, normally i just browse over it. 

 

@"Nibbler", I respect the fact you know what your doing, youve proven that beyond doubt in others forums, my advice to you, stop banging LEDS because your making yourself look retarded, youve lost all respect from me, because after being presented with 4 pages worth of facts, your still blindy ignorant, i call this arrogance. Sorry.

 

5W LEDS ARE NOT BETTER THAN 3W

 

currently, 3w maintain a cooler running temperature thus maintain max intensity for far longer duration before dimming. They use shit loads less power, and the wattage to power output is superoir. 

 

The idea with LED is not to just swap you 1000WATT HID/HPS with a 600W LED and expect it to work the same, thats embracing the shit the LED comapnies are selling you... Nibbler.

 

You put like a 300W LED over the top, with 1 x 150W on either side creating a box. This will destroy a 1000w HPS setup. On 1 plant.. 

 

75% of the American dispersary growers are already using LED setups. If a 600W LED (500-600W total power draw) replaces a 1000w HID/HPS (1100-1200W total power drawer), congrats, you just halved your electricity bill, dont need the same extraction ($$), or the same CO2 levels (BIG $$)...

 

Please stop living in the past, USA has a black president, Cold War ended, Disosaurs died... maybe you have been toking to long?

 

I dont understand how retards can knock this, yes, given some people need to put in 1 - 2 extra plants to cover the 10-20% MAXIMUM YIELD DECREASE... IF YOUR YIELD DECREASES MORE, CONGRATS, YOUR DOING IT WRONG!

 

The ONLY valid arguement for HID/HPS over LED, is simply, I do not care about my thermal signiture, electricity bill, carbon foot print  AND, I have a ridiculously HUGE grow area, of which LED technology hasnt been developed far enough to support my needs.

 

Of which the latter is the only logical arguement.. So, lemme sum this up.

 

1. You cant buy cheap/inexpensive LED grow lights, they dont exist, Same as when HID/HPS FIRST came out.. Same just sucked.

2. You cannot spend "less" on LED

3. You cant be "stingy" on LED

4. You cant get "Quality" LED anything on EBAY.

5. Minimum requirments - BRIDGEFLUX or CREE 3w LED's in STAR (way it mounts to array) at CORRECT WAVELENGTH

6. Latest batch or international RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT PROVES plants are positivley stimulated by having a small amount of green and orange, as well as IR and UV. These bands have been used for a few months, but only recently were they PROVED in a CONTROLLED ENVIROMENT in MONASH UNIVERSITY to be advatageous.

7. I am not your usual pot smoking forum poster. Im not going to argue my points with you, I use this knowledge daily and it justified, you can do your own reserash.

8. 1W and 5W and 10W and any led WATT that isnt 3W, currently, is SHIT!

 

If you want DIY grow light schematics, let me know. But after reading through this forum, i doubt anyone here is interested in growing MORE GRAMMS PER WATT. Thisnk about it, the ONLY FUCKING MEASUREMENT THAT MATTERS IS GRAMMS PER WATT.... OR, how much POT I get for my $$$ on my BILL.

 

So if a 600W LED gives a 1000W HPS a run for its money, and only comes up 10% short on yield, using 50% less power....

 

If this came off harsh, good. It was my intention.

 

If after reading this, you think im wrong, could you PLEASE have the decency to word it as a question i can answer for you. This is just one of those things that was working, the Chinese got a hold of it, and spoiled it for everyone... Trust a fellow AUSSIE, give grow lights a chance..

 

If you bought a $100 car from the wreckers, would you be happy

if you bought a $1000 car from the dealer, would you be happy

if you bought a $100,000 cutting edge prototype, would you be happy

 

if the chinese make a $100 car, and make it look like a $1000 car, then market it like a $100,000 car, and retards like you that cant apply IF ITS TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE IT IS, and loose your money, and cry becuase you have absolutley no understanding of the technology whatsoever..

 

how about the 100w panels using 100 x 1W diodes.

or the 100W panels using 33 x 3W diodes.

 

When you know EVERY technicnal difference and can produce laser cutters from optical drives etc, please voice your opinion and have people listen.. Until then, climb off your horse before commenting on LED, its not your forte.

 

 

EDIT: up above someone is saying that getting 5-7 oz from 1 plant under 600W, when only only a 3-4 week veg from root, is bad, and should expect 14+ oz. I would like to call bullshit. Ive found 10oz is about average when PUSHING it from root in DWC, 3 weeks will equal about 25-30cm growth on top of the clone original size, then flip to 12/12 for 8 weeks = 10oz dry bud.

 

So to have root issues in DWC (guaruntees yield difference) before assessing the fact he is using LED, hes done well to get 7-8 oz's, then given he did that from LED on his first attempt... that shows my 10-15% decrease on yield by using LED.

 

And your going to knock LED's...

 

Like i said WAY up there, YOUR DOING IT WRONG!

 

See you on the other side =D

 

Worst salesman ever

 

No right minded person would take your statements as verbatim 'truth'. There is no point making these kinds of statements with zero evidence to back up your claims.

 

Please show us pictures of your setup/s and comparison grow/s.

 

On another note where do you get the impression all of a sudden there has been a national attitude change towards Cannabis?

 

It sounds to me like now you think the market is ripe to flog substandard equipment to suffering people.

 

Naycha

[bufo marinus]

I joined to educate some serious retards in this forum on LED technology.

 

1. If you havent used BOTH LED & HID/HPS, kindly stfu and listem, by voicing your opinion, reinforces my point your a fuckwit.

Source: I make LED grow panels for myself, I am unemployed. So when I say to you that LED can grow on par with HID or HPS, i speak from experience,

 

people who buy LED grow panels are not going to enter a shit flinging match with some dickhead on the internet, bringing god knows how much attention to themselves.

 

I cant believe half the crap i read here, normally i just browse over it. 

 

@"Nibbler", your making yourself look retarded, youve lost all respect from me

 

The idea with LED is not to just swap you 1000WATT HID/HPS with a 600W LED and expect it to work the same, thats embracing the shit the LED comapnies are selling you... Nibbler.

 

Please stop living in the past, USA has a black president, Cold War ended, Disosaurs died... maybe you have been toking to long?

 

I dont understand how retards can knock this, yes, given some people need to put in 1 - 2 extra plants to cover the 10-20% MAXIMUM YIELD DECREASE... IF YOUR YIELD DECREASES MORE, CONGRATS, YOUR DOING IT WRONG!

So, lemme sum this up.

 

6. Latest batch or international RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT PROVES plants are positivley stimulated by having a small amount of green and orange, as well as IR and UV. These bands have been used for a few months, but only recently were they PROVED in a CONTROLLED ENVIROMENT in MONASH UNIVERSITY to be advatageous.

7. I am not your usual pot smoking forum poster. Im not going to argue my points with you, I use this knowledge daily and it justified, you can do your own reserash.

8. 1W and 5W and 10W and any led WATT that isnt 3W, currently, is SHIT!

 

If you want DIY grow light schematics, let me know. But after reading through this forum, i doubt anyone here is interested in growing MORE GRAMMS PER WATT. Thisnk about it, the ONLY FUCKING MEASUREMENT THAT MATTERS IS GRAMMS PER WATT.... OR, how much POT I get for my $$$ on my BILL.

 

So if a 600W LED gives a 1000W HPS a run for its money, and only comes up 10% short on yield, using 50% less power....

 

If this came off harsh, good. It was my intention.

 

If after reading this, you think im wrong, could you PLEASE have the decency to word it as a question i can answer for you. This is just one of those things that was working, the Chinese got a hold of it, and spoiled it for everyone... Trust a fellow AUSSIE, give grow lights a chance..

 

if the chinese make a $100 car, and make it look like a $1000 car, then market it like a $100,000 car, and retards like you that cant apply IF ITS TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE IT IS, and loose your money, and cry becuase you have absolutley no understanding of the technology whatsoever..

 

When you know EVERY technicnal difference and can produce laser cutters from optical drives etc, please voice your opinion and have people listen.. Until then, climb off your horse before commenting on LED, its not your forte.

 

So to have root issues in DWC (guaruntees yield difference) before assessing the fact he is using LED, hes done well to get 7-8 oz's, then given he did that from LED on his first attempt... that shows my 10-15% decrease on yield by using LED.

 

And your going to knock LED's...

 

Like i said WAY up there, YOUR DOING IT WRONG!

 

Another unemployed genius the internet is full of loud mouths like you... post some pics or fuck off, and learn some manners while your at it boy

[Sir PsychoHashy]

I joined to educate some serious retards in this forum on LED technology.

 

Source: I make LED grow panels for myself, I am unemployed and spend all my time doing things that make me happy, electronics and robotics mainly. So when I say to you that LED can grow on par with HID or HPS, i speak from experience

 

Thanks dude, as a serious retard I need people like you to educate me properly. 

 

Love the way you make the above statement and then follow it up later with:

 

- " I dont understand how retards can knock this, yes, given some people need to put in 1 - 2 extra plants to cover the 10-20% MAXIMUM YIELD DECREASE..."

 

Like Badseed said, all we want is a legitimate grow with real results posted so we can accurately judge the positives and negatives associated with this technology, your fucked up rant is more counter productive than the "knockers" you are whining about.

 

It pisses me off because I personally would love to see this technology become legitimately effective and affordable, but in spite of my serious retardation even I can see that it is not there yet, even though it is better than it used to be. 

 

Either put your money where your mouth is, in a constructive and non antisocial manner, or crawl back under your rock.

[Diablos]

Ok guys,

 

Sorry if my last post offended, not alot of smoke and alot of pain, wasnt a good day. im going to try to communicate this as clearly as i can.. What gets me boiling is people knocking things they havent tried, or have no idea about. I just opened my bookmarks and ill link a few things for you guys, apologies if i ruffled a few feathers, im not a "wanna be know it all"... And i wont justify myself with anything but facts and experience, as it seems to be a little more non negotiable.

 

300W LED DIY + GROW DIARY - If you do not register, you cannot see the 50+ pictures through out, power meter photos with power consumption shown.

 

 

If you read this short thread, you will see a key factor raised is optics, and their impact on coverage and grows.

 

 

Someone who obviously knows what their talking about

 

 

A lenghty discussion on LED's, it starts pretty one sided, like this thread, until people chime in with proof they can grow large amounts.

 

 

A very informative article

 

 

Another LED grow diary with some "alright" LED's, but the bud is very nice, this is a CURRENT thread, the OP is currently getting blazed on his harvest.

 

 

Now that was just the first 5 LED links in my bookmarks, but hopefully is covers most the aspects for you. I would encourage you to learn what light spectrums cannabis needs to actually grow/flower.

 

Sorry if i upset the people im actually interested in talking to, i just wanted to put all the negativity to rest.

 

Ive even linked you instructions on how to build your own LED to try this at home.. Please, if you need help, just ask... You will find me MORE than capable, and might even allow me to put my engineering skills to use again, helping people grow their own medicine. My back is shot to buggery.

 

So sorry for my anti-social introduction, was very very frustrated, allow me to start again and hopefully you will find what i have to offer VERY helpful.

 

Considering we pay astronomical amounts for power...

 

EDIT... Noticed people were more wanting "LED porn", so here you go, my bookmarks best, most still current, all from 2013.

 

 - 600 WATT LED $$$ page 13-14, day 9 flower, NICE

 - If all the information, and links to LED grow diaries in signitures cannot debunk the LED myth, ill humbly withdraw, and continue my LED ventures...

 

Where do i find my information supporting my claim Australia support cannabis for terminal and chronic pain suffers, from here. Executive summary and recommendations.pdf

http://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/prod/parlment/committee.nsf/0/FDB7842246A5AB71CA257B6C0002F09B

 

The Committee considers that in general terms medical cannabis has potential as an effective treatment 

for some medical conditions with appropriate safeguards in place. Our reading of the evidence gathered 

during the inquiry – including rigorous scientific evidence – is that cannabis products are emerging as a 

promising area of medicine, most notably in respect of a number of painful conditions that do not 

respond to existing treatments. Given this evidence, a compassionate approach is appropriate here.

 

While we recognise the risks and negative effects of crude cannabis use particularly via smoking, and by 

no means do we endorse the recreational use of cannabis, we agree that there is sufficiently robust 

scientific evidence to indicate that cannabis products can be an effective treatment for certain 

conditions in very specific circumstances.

 

We recognise that particular attitudes have perhaps prevented us from recognising and harnessing the 

therapeutic potential of cannabinoids in Australia to date. Such attitudes include those about the harms of illicit drugs,

along with concerns about how progress in regard to medical cannabis might be perceived by the public and media.

 

The Committee notes public opinion in relation to medical cannabis, with 69 per cent of people in a 

recent Australian Institute of Health and Welfare survey indicating that they support legislation to allow 

medical use of cannabis, matched with 74 per cent of participants showing support for clinical trials 

investigating the benefits of cannabis for medical conditions

 

 

Now the last time something like this was done, it quashed, public had no interest in it, also note it was surveyed by a biased govermont, also note that Bob Carr did the same thing to get votes, promised clinical trials and backflipped with a biased public survey. This survey shows the opposite, i seriously cant be arsed finding the 2002ish article involving Bob Carr. 

 

Just understand LED is VERY viable.

 

@ the fucking rude comments, being australian, speaking to another australian, didnt think id need to back it up as much, figured you may also be memebers of other forums where this topic has been covered ten bilion times already, always with the same results. LEDs are viable grow light at roughlly 25-50% less power.

Edited June 2, 2013 by Naycha
removed multiple links to other forums

[Naycha]

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If this came off harsh, good. It was my intention.....................................................

 

 

Ok guys,

 

Sorry if my last post offended, .................................................

 

 

@ the fucking rude comments, being australian, speaking to another australian, didnt think id need to back it up as much, figured you may also be memebers of other forums where this topic has been covered ten bilion times already, always with the same results. LEDs are viable grow light at roughlly 25-50% less power.

 

I want to know if you are lying in the first post or the second post you either meant to offend or you didn't.

 

 

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Please show us pictures of your setup/s and comparison grow/s.

 

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Naycha

 

While the NSW Parliamentary enquiry into medical Cannabis is encouraging I don't think it reflects a sudden national attitude change.

 

Naycha

[Diablos]

Believe the second post =D

 

I really think this latest survey is a significant sign of the changing times to come, not that long ago it was a very low tolerance towards this matter, people simply believed that anything made in a laboratory (opiates) must be better thus medical marijuana wasnt required.

 

But as of late, after the huge studies, and ridiculous amounts of money being poured into research and development, people have a better understanding thus they are less fearful and apprehensive... 

 

I firmly believe that it wont be long before chrones suffers and lupas suffers etc etc will be able to grow/buy/posess or something legal marijuana.

 

The report basically sums up that medical marijuana is legitimate, and has productive purposes, and should be explored and implemented, it doesnt say they should just look into it, it clearly says on compassionate grounds the law should be re-written and a definitive approach developed to create a measure for people to relieve "chronic" conditions. chronic being, i guess, major impacts on quality of life that only cannabis can relieve?

 

Still, it wont be tommorrow, but i truly believe this is the beginning of the collapse of prohibition, although i aknowledge we as a country will probobly never support "recreational" use. not for another century anyway...

 

also, dont forget your co2 (carbon dioxide) generators, either baking soda + vinegar or sugar water + yeast... can increase yields by 1/3 (30%) is maintained around 1500 ppm, let me know i can explain further =D

[MongyMan]

 

If after reading this, you think im wrong, could you PLEASE have the decency to word it as a question i can answer for you.

 

So you have been hiding away on other forums for a "LONG time" too scared to support your local Australian forum but now you are here because "Recently, after the National attitude change towards cannabis, i decided to join my Countries medical marijuana forum."

Did I get that right? Sounds a bit weak to me,

Where are the pics or YOUR grows to back your claims? It's all people ask for in these LED threads. Talk is cheep.

 

How would you define "a ridiculously HUGE grow area"?

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In Australia 100% of the dispersary growers use HID light because it works best?

 

Australia has a female prime minister and NZ has gay marrage. What's the relevance of America having a black president to growing cannabis?

 

 

MongyMan

 

 

ps...It's called Medical Cannabis in Australia. The yanks call it medical marijuana.

 

 

Did I word them wrong?

[uncle chron]

think ya hit the nail on the head

[burner]

Diablo, leds may have a place, but the current products available to the average grower on the shelves in our stores are not them. You play around with electronics and build your own, you have had success yet haven't thought to market your creation? If it is comparable to hid, then your sitting on what every grower is hoping from an led light source.

Do yourself, and the indoor gardening world a favour and patent the goods! (If you've got them.)