Best place to buy LEDs in Aus?

[burner]

Just gonna slide on in here, don't worry, not gonna stir the pot, just want to answer the topic.:-) Personally, use the net to find what your after. Alot of shops don't supply the newer technology yet, so use the net. Tis all.

[bufo marinus]

And have you been raided in those six years. Thats six years of growing history right there, that would go down well in court. Hope it never happens.

 

To each there own 

 

I think it's 8 years here and 6 years previous to that on Overgrow.... and been raided twice, both times had nothing to do with this site, just so there's no confusion.

Honestly the sooner someone can spend the $$ and do a grow from start to finish with some decent LED's and showcase exactly what they can produce the better.

 

I agree though, to each his own,.... at least your not one eyed about things Cyclops     

[uncle chron]

Lmfao

[uncle chron]

Try the farken tip!

[vivaaa]

I think it's 8 years here and 6 years previous to that on Overgrow.... and been raided twice, both times had nothing to do with this site, just so there's no confusion.

Honestly the sooner someone can spend the $$ and do a grow from start to finish with some decent LED's and showcase exactly what they can produce the better.

 

I agree though, to each his own,.... at least your not one eyed about things Cyclops   

 

 

Here is the diary i had looked at, have a read through it if you like

[Stix87]

theres a guy on another forum with 8 x $2.500 led panels under 8 plants must be some good ones out but I haven't seen pics coz im not joined up so I have no idea.

[bufo marinus]

This is word for word from the grasscity.com link that vivaaa posted.

 

 

Summary:

Prosource's LEDs beat my expectations by a mile. I used to believe it did not matter how many watts of LEDs you put over a plant, it would come out undersized and deformed (big top with no bottom). I was wrong about this and apologizes (ok, I said it). On the other hand, the LEDs did not live up to their wild advertisement's and unbelievable claims of being able to beat larger HIDs. In fact they seemed to be unable to match the HIDs "watt for watt" output. Now I am glad we did the test the way we did it and not used less wattage.

I was impressed on how cool the units actually are and the advantages that come from this. Folks told me CFLs are cool, but compared to the LEDs they are no match. I still needed to ventilate to keep the heat from building, but the sound of my cooling system engaging became a rare occurrence. I saved a ton of compressed CO2 on this grow , this is a huge selling point for me.




Pros:

• LESS HEAT! (a lot less)
• Compact design
• Low maintenance (never change a bulb)
• Better for the veg cycle (more branches)
• Easy to hang (balanced right out of the box)
• Secure mounting (heavy duty wire leaders and clip)
• Good packaging
• Easy to clean.
• No noise
• Long power cord (forgot to measure it)
• Plugs into normal wall outlet (no ballast required or special plugs)

Cons:

• PRICE! ($700 each... Come on.)
• Less yield at harvest
• Not a good choice for the flowering cycle (smaller lighter buds)
• Untrue comparisons to HIDs in the advertisements and literature.
• Did I say price?

The "Question"........ What would I use if all lights came at the same price?



I am not done with LEDs! I think I can do better then that last grow. Perhaps with some adjustments to light height and room parameters I could come closer to matching my HID output. After seeing first hand the advantages of growing without heat, I'm sold. No way I'm giving up now.

But...... What if I had to buy the lights. ....
Sorry Prosource, I'm not Bill Gates. I can't afford to buy the lights at that price. My money goes to a cool-tube and e-ballast every time.

Thanks for watching.
Peace, R

 

What are my thoughts after seeing that grow? In all honesty it was a little bit stretched, reminded me of a 400HPS with a bad reflector or sitting a little bit too high above the canopy... scope for improvement there for sure though just guessing... the price is at least 5 times that of a HPS grow but no doubt as years roll by this will drop... and he could have done better if he'd not hit the root problems around day 31 of flower I think it was?... before day 31 that grow looked looked very healthy but as can happen when the EC climbs, the leaf grew darker and he ran into some minor leaf curl problems from too high a ozmotic pressure in the root zone... to his credit though he saved it and finished a decent grow, for a dwc with 400w worth of lighting 7 oz is probably 5-7 oz short of what a hps can do... saying that though I AM marginally impressed.

I did like the way they vegged, however it's important to note that he was using CO2, which is most useful in veg so nothing surprising there, and 18w fluoros do a great job at about 1/20th the cost...  just guessing but if you spent the same cash on fluoro tubes wrapped around the plants, remotely mounted the ballasts to cut down on heat, I dare say they would put out around the same amount of buds, smaller but still the same weight overall.

 

Would I use one for 'supplemental' side lighting at this point in time? No, and the reason being I don't think a decent grow set up requires it, I trim all lower shoots off anyway, trimming popcorn buds suck we need colas... I don't use any side lighting now for the reason just mentioned and for the price/output, it's just not an option at all.

Would I use 400w worth as the main source of grow lighting at this point in time? No, not at 5 times the price for almost half the end product, it's still a no brainer.

 

Would I hang shit on anyone who posts an LED grow diary?... no way, I'd encourage it, and that's all anyone that's pro hps has really been saying in this thread, show us the goods.

I honestly think they may improve, slowly, it depends how much money is invested by major companies... no potential profit = no research dollars. Investment from countries that pioneered indoor food production, like the Netherlands say would be needed to produce the types of significant improvements needed for LED's to be on par with hps.

 

[Frank Reynolds]

I think it is also good to note it seemed that the dude on grasscity was really on top of all aspects of his grow room light/temp/humidity. If those panels were sent out to your average grower i think the results would have been far worse!

[Diablos]

Hi Guys,

 

Ive been a member of RIU, ic420 and grasscity for a LONG time, Recently, after the National attitude change towards cannabis, i decided to join my Countries medical marijuana forum.

 

I joined to educate some serious retards in this forum on LED technology.

 

1. If you havent used BOTH LED & HID/HPS, kindly stfu and listem, you have no experience to base an argument on, thus what you have to say is null and void, and by voicing it, reinforces my point your a fuckwit.

2. There is no "best LED", "best array", "best grow light" etc etc.

 

Now to cover some very simple basics, the watts are irrelevant, its the BIN that determines the quality of the LED grow light, some manufacturer seperate BINS better than others... thus, I can have HIGH BIN LEDS drawing 300w OR i can have LOW BIN LEDS drawing 300w...

Now the big difference is the amount of light and penetrating power being produced per watt being drawn. simple... Chinese knock offs have the power draw, they do not have the intensity... So when I string up 4 x 300W panels of high quality VS low quality, the total amount of coverage, intensity and penetration lost, is HUGE. Thus yields are affected. This phenomena does not occur with HPS/HID. 

 

Furthermore, HPS and HID burn useless energy in wasted spectrums, so LED is simply maximisng effeciency.

 

By using "bridgeflux" or "cree" HIGH BIN LEDS, you produce maximum lux at the same current. difference between high and low is usually a total output of 100 vs 60. almost 50% for the sake for saving maybe $1.00, - $1.50.

 

LED can EASILY grow on par with HPS or HID.

 

Source: I make LED grow panels for myself, I am unemployed and spend all my time doing things that make me happy, electronics and robotics mainly. So when I say to you that LED can grow on par with HID or HPS, i speak from experience, people who buy LED grow panels are not going to enter a shit flinging match with some dickhead on the internet, bringing god knows how much attention to themselves.

 

I cant believe half the crap i read here, normally i just browse over it. 

 

@"Nibbler", I respect the fact you know what your doing, youve proven that beyond doubt in others forums, my advice to you, stop banging LEDS because your making yourself look retarded, youve lost all respect from me, because after being presented with 4 pages worth of facts, your still blindy ignorant, i call this arrogance. Sorry.

 

5W LEDS ARE NOT BETTER THAN 3W

 

currently, 3w maintain a cooler running temperature thus maintain max intensity for far longer duration before dimming. They use shit loads less power, and the wattage to power output is superoir. 

 

The idea with LED is not to just swap you 1000WATT HID/HPS with a 600W LED and expect it to work the same, thats embracing the shit the LED comapnies are selling you... Nibbler.

 

You put like a 300W LED over the top, with 1 x 150W on either side creating a box. This will destroy a 1000w HPS setup. On 1 plant.. 

 

75% of the American dispersary growers are already using LED setups. If a 600W LED (500-600W total power draw) replaces a 1000w HID/HPS (1100-1200W total power drawer), congrats, you just halved your electricity bill, dont need the same extraction ($$), or the same CO2 levels (BIG $$)...

 

Please stop living in the past, USA has a black president, Cold War ended, Disosaurs died... maybe you have been toking to long?

 

I dont understand how retards can knock this, yes, given some people need to put in 1 - 2 extra plants to cover the 10-20% MAXIMUM YIELD DECREASE... IF YOUR YIELD DECREASES MORE, CONGRATS, YOUR DOING IT WRONG!

 

The ONLY valid arguement for HID/HPS over LED, is simply, I do not care about my thermal signiture, electricity bill, carbon foot print  AND, I have a ridiculously HUGE grow area, of which LED technology hasnt been developed far enough to support my needs.

 

Of which the latter is the only logical arguement.. So, lemme sum this up.

 

1. You cant buy cheap/inexpensive LED grow lights, they dont exist, Same as when HID/HPS FIRST came out.. Same just sucked.

2. You cannot spend "less" on LED

3. You cant be "stingy" on LED

4. You cant get "Quality" LED anything on EBAY.

5. Minimum requirments - BRIDGEFLUX or CREE 3w LED's in STAR (way it mounts to array) at CORRECT WAVELENGTH

6. Latest batch or international RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT PROVES plants are positivley stimulated by having a small amount of green and orange, as well as IR and UV. These bands have been used for a few months, but only recently were they PROVED in a CONTROLLED ENVIROMENT in MONASH UNIVERSITY to be advatageous.

7. I am not your usual pot smoking forum poster. Im not going to argue my points with you, I use this knowledge daily and it justified, you can do your own reserash.

8. 1W and 5W and 10W and any led WATT that isnt 3W, currently, is SHIT!

 

If you want DIY grow light schematics, let me know. But after reading through this forum, i doubt anyone here is interested in growing MORE GRAMMS PER WATT. Thisnk about it, the ONLY FUCKING MEASUREMENT THAT MATTERS IS GRAMMS PER WATT.... OR, how much POT I get for my $$$ on my BILL.

 

So if a 600W LED gives a 1000W HPS a run for its money, and only comes up 10% short on yield, using 50% less power....

 

If this came off harsh, good. It was my intention.

 

If after reading this, you think im wrong, could you PLEASE have the decency to word it as a question i can answer for you. This is just one of those things that was working, the Chinese got a hold of it, and spoiled it for everyone... Trust a fellow AUSSIE, give grow lights a chance..

 

If you bought a $100 car from the wreckers, would you be happy

if you bought a $1000 car from the dealer, would you be happy

if you bought a $100,000 cutting edge prototype, would you be happy

 

if the chinese make a $100 car, and make it look like a $1000 car, then market it like a $100,000 car, and retards like you that cant apply IF ITS TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE IT IS, and loose your money, and cry becuase you have absolutley no understanding of the technology whatsoever..

 

how about the 100w panels using 100 x 1W diodes.

or the 100W panels using 33 x 3W diodes.

 

When you know EVERY technicnal difference and can produce laser cutters from optical drives etc, please voice your opinion and have people listen.. Until then, climb off your horse before commenting on LED, its not your forte.

 

 

EDIT: up above someone is saying that getting 5-7 oz from 1 plant under 600W, when only only a 3-4 week veg from root, is bad, and should expect 14+ oz. I would like to call bullshit. Ive found 10oz is about average when PUSHING it from root in DWC, 3 weeks will equal about 25-30cm growth on top of the clone original size, then flip to 12/12 for 8 weeks = 10oz dry bud.

 

So to have root issues in DWC (guaruntees yield difference) before assessing the fact he is using LED, hes done well to get 7-8 oz's, then given he did that from LED on his first attempt... that shows my 10-15% decrease on yield by using LED.

 

And your going to knock LED's...

 

Like i said WAY up there, YOUR DOING IT WRONG!

 

See you on the other side =D

Edited June 1, 2013 by Diablos

[MongyMan]

Ive been a member of RIU, ic420 and grasscity for a LONG time, Recently, after the National attitude change towards cannabis, i decided to join my Countries medical marijuana forum.

I joined to educate some serious retards in this forum on LED technology.

So you have been hiding away on other forums for a "LONG time" too scared to support your local Australian forum but now you are here to teach us all because "Recently, after the National attitude change towards cannabis, i decided to join my Countries medical marijuana forum."

Did I get that right? Sounds a bit weak to me,

 

To be honest you sound like just another know it all wannabe.

Where are the pics of your grows to back your claims? It's all people ask for in these LED threads. Talk is cheep.

 

 

... have a ridiculously HUGE grow area, of which LED technology hasnt been developed far enough to support my needs.

How would you define "a ridiculously HUGE grow area"?

 .

 

75% of the American dispersary growers are already using LED setups.

In Australia 100% of the dispersary growers use HID light because it works best?

 

 

Please stop living in the past, USA has a black president, Cold War ended, Disosaurs died... maybe you have been toking to long?

Australia has a female prime minister and NZ has gay marrage. What's the relevance of America having a black president to growing cannabis?

 

 

If this came off harsh, good. It was my intention.

What a numpty

 

MongyMan

 

 

ps...It's called Medical Cannabis in Australia. The yanks call it medical marijuana.