samoanbullet Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 Following, organics subform would love that Posted from the OZ Stoners mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Green Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 in my sip rez there is water & EM-1 , if you have extended the EM-1 it will have a shorter shelf life ( 6mths ) than the un-extended , more like 12mths the main inoculant in bokashi making is EM-1 , the grains as there called are the carrier ,which could be lots of things from newspaper/sawdust /rice hulls to what i use wheat bran to answer your question yes , but in a lill diff way the bacterial mycelium is feeding on the mulch layer & storing readily available nutrients for the plant & reaching through the medium to the root system liquid Em-1 , i've heard it explained as the organizers of the soil life , they seem to kick everybody into gearthen become food for the life they got happening one thing i've learnt recently stop using EM-1 2 weeks before finishcontinuing to use EM-1 in a sip & i suspect else where can seem to keep a plant flowering longer Interesting that it does that. Maybe that's still helping the plant by giving it a longer chance to be pollinated Grabbed a bag of bio-char and bokashi on the way home today. Decided to avoid the mushroom and chicken manure composts now that I know more. Thanks for all the tips I'll post it up once I'm mixing 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cardrona Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 (edited) Its all a learning curve ...take note of your aspect when you do anything like this .....you will get better at it over timeas the seasons change .....A sunny spot in winter Nth facingA semi afternoon shade spot in summer ... east/sth east facing in the Southern hemisphere.for your cultures and amendments ....have two piles going or spots going.... catering to both these aspects.... it will help heaps and take some from both sites when amending.In Autumn or when you see healthy fungi collect them and throw them onto your sites...before to long they are inoculated.And costs nothing And if in the ground have whatever amount maybe 20 spots rotating a season on a season off Edited May 30, 2017 by cardrona 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Green Posted May 31, 2017 Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 I was thinking once I have this mix ready in the 100L tub I could throw my little 90w led over it and grow a small cover crop until I can use it? Something that will add the the soi perhaps? What would you guys suggest? The tub wouldn't have drain holes but I'd think a cover crop isn't going to need much water and maybe I could use a broom or something to poke air holes down through the soil to the bottom of the tub if it would help get air down there. What do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchybromusic Posted May 31, 2017 Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 cover cropping is a great idea greenharvest.com.au or edenseeds.com.au both have a cover crop or green manure mix you can buy in bulk the idea of the cover crop is to add life & food to the soil , the healthier the cover crop the more benefits to the pot & subsequent plant in no till the idea is to not disturb or dig the soil , let the soil dwellers build a home & aerate the medium for you the benefit would be cover cropping in your pot or plot , the place you plan to grow in , as to not disturb the soil life when potting up there would be benefit to cover cropping in your tub but no drainage could be a prob pretty quick if not careful much better to cover crop the pot , in saying that , i'm talking larger volumes of soil , 10 , 15 , 20 gallon , you plan on small pots , i would re-think that & go with multiple plants in one pot , like 20gal with 4 plants , depending on when you put them outdoors will determine how big they get , prime a big pot with cover crop , start canna seeds later in the season& transplant to the big pot mid Jan or when you see pistils on the vegging plants for the flower cycle better to think around using a larger amount of soil & vegging shorter times to keep plants smaller , a bit strain dependent some will stretch 2x = more sativa dom , some will stretch not much at all = indica dom , i think sativa doms are good for this you can veg a plant till it's 300mm high & finish with a meter tall plant & nice yield , indica doms are a little safer in the heightdept but you can flower a lill to early & miss out on yield plant count is always something to consider but the rule of using larger soil amounts & vegging for less time = shorter plants , stands 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Green Posted May 31, 2017 Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 cover cropping is a great idea greenharvest.com.au or edenseeds.com.au both have a cover crop or green manure mix you can buy in bulk the idea of the cover crop is to add life & food to the soil , the healthier the cover crop the more benefits to the pot & subsequent plant in no till the idea is to not disturb or dig the soil , let the soil dwellers build a home & aerate the medium for you the benefit would be cover cropping in your pot or plot , the place you plan to grow in , as to not disturb the soil life when potting up there would be benefit to cover cropping in your tub but no drainage could be a prob pretty quick if not careful much better to cover crop the pot , in saying that , i'm talking larger volumes of soil , 10 , 15 , 20 gallon , you plan on small pots , i would re-think that & go with multiple plants in one pot , like 20gal with 4 plants , depending on when you put them outdoors will determine how big they get , prime a big pot with cover crop , start canna seeds later in the season& transplant to the big pot mid Jan or when you see pistils on the vegging plants for the flower cycle better to think around using a larger amount of soil & vegging shorter times to keep plants smaller , a bit strain dependent some will stretch 2x = more sativa dom , some will stretch not much at all = indica dom , i think sativa doms are good for this you can veg a plant till it's 300mm high & finish with a meter tall plant & nice yield , indica doms are a little safer in the heightdept but you can flower a lill to early & miss out on yield plant count is always something to consider but the rule of using larger soil amounts & vegging for less time = shorter plants , stands Yeah true, last thing I want to do it turn the soil into an anaerobic, waterlogged mess. Just keen to grow something . Soon I will have more space to work with so a larger indoor pot/bed may be an option in future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Steve Green Posted June 1, 2017 Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 (edited) Always have drainage holesPosted from the OZ Stoners mobile appYeah for sure, the plan wasn't to grow any ladies in the tub. Was just thinking if I could grow a cover crop in there while waiting but would end up having to shovel it into my air pots later anyway so have scrapped that idea. cover cropping is a great idea greenharvest.com.au or edenseeds.com.au both have a cover crop or green manure mix you can buy in bulk the idea of the cover crop is to add life & food to the soil , the healthier the cover crop the more benefits to the pot & subsequent plant in no till the idea is to not disturb or dig the soil , let the soil dwellers build a home & aerate the medium for you the benefit would be cover cropping in your pot or plot , the place you plan to grow in , as to not disturb the soil life when potting up there would be benefit to cover cropping in your tub but no drainage could be a prob pretty quick if not careful much better to cover crop the pot , in saying that , i'm talking larger volumes of soil , 10 , 15 , 20 gallon , you plan on small pots , i would re-think that & go with multiple plants in one pot , like 20gal with 4 plants , depending on when you put them outdoors will determine how big they get , prime a big pot with cover crop , start canna seeds later in the season& transplant to the big pot mid Jan or when you see pistils on the vegging plants for the flower cycle better to think around using a larger amount of soil & vegging shorter times to keep plants smaller , a bit strain dependent some will stretch 2x = more sativa dom , some will stretch not much at all = indica dom , i think sativa doms are good for this you can veg a plant till it's 300mm high & finish with a meter tall plant & nice yield , indica doms are a little safer in the heightdept but you can flower a lill to early & miss out on yield plant count is always something to consider but the rule of using larger soil amounts & vegging for less time = shorter plants , stands So I've decided that rather than only mixing the soil and moving to air pots (which I'll still do) I'm going to also take your advice and make a mix to throw in a 15 gallon fabric pot and start my first attempt at a longer term no till pot. So I'll look back into running a cover crop for now. Also, i was told I didn't have enough phosphorus and potassium in the mix and should add some seabird guano and coconut meal to the initial mix. What I've been reading has led me to believe that I should avoid putting guano into the initial mix and top dress it as the plant needs (mid to late flower). What are your thoughts on this? Edited June 1, 2017 by Steve Green Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchybromusic Posted June 1, 2017 Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 (edited) you got it already better to start with a nice easy balanced mix , get some worms in there & top feed the potkeep in mind almost all soil tests done at the start of a mix being made read higher afterplants have grown in that living soil outdoors look round the garden , you got colorful flowers round the place , one guessas to when to top dress those ! , never forget diversity = bit of everything is always good just a lill word of warning on top dressing flowers , any backyard flower is pretty much fine but any flower from a florist i'd putin the bin , commercial flower industry spray heaps , they are not a food so have very diff rules to using chems , it's also a reason to not get any compost from your local council , never really know what people spray in there backyard & put in theregreen waste bins A bit of reading if interested https://buildasoil.com/pages/the-complete-system good place to start has a soil mix you can use , will also mention using things like Coconut water & aloe vera juice whichi would recommend , get freeze dried coconut water powder from the health food store , loving earthis the brand i use , & aloe vera , grow your own but you can buy it in powder form = a bit X'y Edited June 1, 2017 by itchybromusic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Green Posted June 1, 2017 Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 you got it already better to start with a nice easy balanced mix , get some worms in there & top feed the potkeep in mind almost all soil tests done at the start of a mix being made read higher afterplants have grown in that living soil outdoors look round the garden , you got colorful flowers round the place , one guessas to when to top dress those ! , never forget diversity = bit of everything is always good just a lill word of warning on top dressing flowers , any backyard flower is pretty much fine but any flower from a florist i'd putin the bin , commercial flower industry spray heaps , they are not a food so have very diff rules to using chems , it's also a reason to not get any compost from your local council , never really know what people spray in there backyard & put in theregreen waste bins A bit of reading if interested https://buildasoil.com/pages/the-complete-system good place to start has a soil mix you can use , will also mention using things like Coconut water & aloe vera juice whichi would recommend , get freeze dried coconut water powder from the health food store , loving earthis the brand i use , & aloe vera , grow your own but you can buy it in powder form = a bit X'y Top dressing with flowers... while in flower. Awesome! Thanks mate, very much appreciated. I'll read that link, can't wait to get started! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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