the nimbin hemp bar

[BigBong.org]

webgreetings stoned stump.

 

I wasn't trying to be a smart arse when I said cntrl+F5, twas meant as a gift. As a webdesigner/webhoster my customers are all told about cntrl+F5 every time they tell me 'you have made the changes yet'. its a keyboard shortcut worth training your fingers to activate when cerfing the web...

 

we made no changes (yet) to;

 

"We are NOT referring to commercial Indoor hydroponic cannabis indica strains, genetically modified variants of Cannabis that produces disproportionate amounts of THC in a very short time under very bright electric lights with its roots in chemicals."

 

thing is, although chemicals is perhaps not quite the word it worx as one of the words in a sentance designed to be read at face value. would electric lights with no link to mother earth be too hippy, not sure. we decided to leave it as chemicals for simplicity.

 

, the editorial team here at the hempbar are *somewhat* open to suggestions for the replacement of the word chemicals.

 

we didn't change;

 

"Since opening day in the H*E*M*P*Bar telling the truth about 'hydro' has been a major focus,

perhaps we should throttle back on major focus since our most major focus is webcasting....

 

but since we still believe with every part of our hippy heart that we think of it as alerting our patrons to all of the very real dangers associated with 'hydro'

 

+++(particularly commercial) ++++

 

and especially in the understanding of the conspiracy

 

+++++h (oil companies and chemical companies) ++++

 

that is behind the entire hydroponic industry."

 

which is a change perhaps not what was wanted, but what we want our mission statement to say for the moment.

 

the hempbar editing team says thanks to all the ozstoners who have provided us with a topic for our friday BarFly meeting.

 

as i said, earlier, we have had the mission statement on the editing rack and no doubt we will continue to redefine our mission statement as we continually redefine the reality of the H*E*M*P*Bar.

 

When in the hempbar, please walk up and introduce your self as a ozstoner, you guys have a great network be proud ;O)--~ we can discuss what ever the topic of law reform happens to be, clock ticking many joints smoked here this day as part of the launch of the web site of the CHURCH of the HOLY SMOKE time to log off...

 

till next

 

peace

 

;O)--~

[everest]

i'm with wildflower .....

 

& where's my bloody sativa seeds ?

 

seen as i'm outa pot .....

 

wankas

 

ev

[stonedstump]

You guys have smoked one too many bongs I think.

 

 

I can't believe it.

 

 

Can't you just remove the whole entire thing about hydro? Don't even mention hydro, just make the solemn statement that you guys only smoke outdoor.

 

Don't go "WE SMOKE OUTDOOR BECAUSE HYDRO IS EVIL AND THERE IS A CONSPIRACY AND ITS LIKE FUCKING ROBOT"

 

Instead why not just say "we smoke outdoor because we like like to grow naturally etc."

 

 

All that garbage on your site about hydro is bullshit. Please just remove the whole lot. I'm sure it will take you no more than 10 minutes to type up something new and abit more truthful perhaps?

 

You have no argument as far as i'm concerned.

 

You have extremely blatent, false information on your site.

 

You should remove the false, factless, mis-information from your site as soon as possible.

 

You should think about what has been said in this thread.

 

Hydro is not bad. Do not make up lies.

 

Stop lying. Stop publishing false information for everyone to read.

 

 

I have seen the new page and it is no better (yes the ctrl+f5 thing didn't work but i'm using firefox so that probably explains it)

 

Sorry if this post seems abit angry but i can't put it any other way just take it at face value please.

[Budman2012]

I'll hop over to the HEMPBAR , when I don't feel "Unclean" for smoking thru a bong for a start.

I had no idea It was anti-bongz and anti-Indoor MJ (All indoor is hydro is it?)

But at least It sounds like you guys are taking the facts into account that the Ozstoner crew has mentioned ...

I don't want to not respect the Hempbar or Nimbin , Quite the opposite ...

Sure commercialism has fucked things up for many industries , Including MJ , But I refuse to believe that Hydro is in someway "Dangerous" , Excess can be harmful ofc. , And I could definatley tell you about excess , But I am as good as I could be regardless and I have definatley been "Hangin" for bush aswell , well b4 I smoked any hydro , I know heaps of oldies that prefer Bush , But they still have a smoke of Hydro if thats whats goin , nuthin wrong with it , It just gets them more stoned than bush usually would ...

As for headaches , Don't alot of Non-stoners get headaches too? , Yes , I rarely ever get headaches , I suffer from inner ear problems with pain , and If It was really playin up , I would be so glad for a cone or 2 of good Potent Hydroponically grown MJ. Yeh , It just seems to work better for pain and sleeplessness.

Indica originated In high altitudes , Not a dutch labratory ...

Also , Where is your info coming from about the "dangers" ? Is it just from the media or government statements? I don't get it and I just wanted to know so I (And anyone else who wants) , so I can peruse these sources and make my own opinions. Thx

O.k. , I didn't get all I wanted down then ... But that'll do for now.

Thx U , for the replies. And thx for thinking more closely about your veiws.

Out 4 Now , From Budman.

 

P.s. I still don't see any reason for this thread to be shut down!? ... Isn't It going well considering the almost opposite opinions on this subject??

[Oz]

As stubborn as the stance being taken here is , It is acutally a rather serious issue, so it won't be closed anytime soon by the looks of it.

Again I say, just keep it nice peoples remember we are trying to Unite Australia's Cannabis Culture.

[pipeman]

yeah its nice to see you are open to feedback guys cheers.

 

I have had a go at a revised mission statement just for the hell of it, from the "IMPORTANT NOTE" part onwards...

 

IMPORTANT NOTE: When we refer to cannabis and marijuana in our webspace, we are NOT talking about commercially grown marijuana, and in particular commercially grown hydroponic marijuana. If proper care is taken there is nothing dangerous about "hydro" however in our experience we have found that commercial growers do not tend to take proper care of their crops, as they are only interested in maximising profits. Improper use of pesticides and not "flushing" the root system at the end of the grow are shortcuts that many commercial growers take which can result in "chemical" tasting weed that leaves you with a headache and possibly other adverse side effects.

 

This problem of commercial growing and the misuse of hydro techniques only exist because of the anti cannabis laws which currently exist within Australia. Not only are these laws a waste of tax payers money and a meaningless attack on those who choose to enjoy or medicate using this particular herb, but it creates problems which would not otherwise exist, ie they make commercial growing profitable, which results in organised crime and black market pot which has been improperly grown.

 

"Hydro" which is cultivated with care and the proper techniques, as is the norm with most personal growers who use it, is no more dangerous than any other type of marijuana. In fact breeding techniques to produce more potent strains for indoor cultivation are a form of harm minimisation as the user will not need to smoke as much for the desired effect.

 

The H*E*M*P*Bar does not encourage commercially grown hydro to be smoked on its premises, we are polite about it, as polite as we are when pointing out the NO alcohol, NO bongs and NO dogs policies. (but keep an eye out for the "Barking Wombats")

 

and perhaps change point 2 of your advice on cannabis to "If you are unable to grow your own, try to smoke cannabis grown by a personal grower as it is more likely the product was properly grown.

 

[mull]

"Since opening day in the H*E*M*P*Bar telling the truth about "hydro" has been a major focus, tho we think of it as alerting our patrons to all of the very real dangers associated with "hydro" (particularly commercial) and especially in the understanding of the conspiracy (oil companies and chemical companies) that is behind the entire hydroponic industry."

 

 

Can a HEMP bar rep please list these truthes here, complete with associated dangers?

 

Without clarification on your website, you're still just coming across as condescending and ignorant.

You are offering your view of cannabis with no reasoning only emotion. But logic would have to tell you that you are going backyards in cannabis prohibition repeal, instead of forward. Like Ozstoner said, uniting Australias cannabis culture is the way.

 

Otherwize you have been just giving more applause to our naked emperor!

 

 

[Frazz]

I couldn't have said it better myself mullaway

 

but i'll try anyway .....

 

H*E*M*P bar folk !..... we are feeling very hard-done by here.... its like you speaking of our practices to be bad, or harmful

its like we are the cannon-fodder, to be denied by our own brethren ..... 'yes, stop these hydro growers !...they grow bad weed.'

we dont want to be associated with THEM !!

 

well i admit that we (hydro growers) can only provide an artificial environment that makes the plant feel comfortable

and you guys would know what i mean when i say a happy looking plant is a healthy plant

most of the growers here are intimately connected with thier plants and provide the environment that is conducive of happy plants..... just check any of the grow diaries

we growers love our plants.... the last thing we would do is treat them badly or over-work them, or use chemicals near them

 

as has been said, we are indoors under lights because we have been driven underground into anominity by the laws and theiving neighbours!

 

on the subject of genetics.... again most of the ppl here grow skunk hybrids or skunk, and that goes back to the ol' skool genetics..... but that's not genetic modification... thats breeding and inbreeding for desired charateristics.... no Frankenstien manipulation or anything sinister

 

my 2 c worth

[Budman2012]

The Last 3 Posts were excellent , Cheez Guyz!

Hey Pipeman , I liked that it was fair with an ice breaking humourous finish

Maybe to the 1st paragraph something like , Whereas , people growing it for their own personal recreational/medical use will generally grow it according to healthy standards (99% of them anyway) ..

Just an Idea : ) Thankyou for the excellent reading everyday Guyz Cheerz again ...

This next Hydro cone is for you guyz who know how to grow.

 

From Budman.

[wildflower]

I think that update that pipeman posted is a step in the right direction and its appreciated.

 

However, I would go as far to say that since my first toke back when i was teenager...i question whether they were commercial grows..hell..i have no idea that they where commercial grows..how would i know? couldve been me mates mates grow. but on most occasions..i have no idea.

sure a whole bunch of hash and budda made the rounds back then. But most of the time it was good hydro.

 

Its often argued that its not really a viable venture to grow cannabis for commercial purposes, i tend to agree..risk vs return..unless you love the plant, and in turn treat it well.

But is just not worth it in my opinion, real assholes deal in meth etc.

 

Sure you dont know what your getting. fair enough. But in my opinion..this whole mainstream media driven arguement regarding "dangers", "commercial" however conveniently tying it together with "hydro" is nothing but fear mongering it is totally unsubstantiated media driven hype.

They dont make references to "chemicals" whether its what you feed them or spray them, they constantly make references to POTENCY and THC levels.

 

It is a consistant agenda for the media to portray people that grow cannabis indoor (hydro etc) as evil cigar smoking criminals out to wreck your kids mind.

 

This myth perpetuated by the government and supported and refeed back to us by the media is just that..a myth

 

dont fall for it guys.