phillips 315w LEC with D-Papillon reflector

[ZEN2U]

I reckon that's how this whole thing got so stuffed....barzids putting dollar signs on everything.  It is free to anyone who cultivates, or is gifted the medicine. ICannabis is not a commodity like 'water' 'shelter' 'food'  (coppin the irony?) That is a fundamental Truth.  The $ signs are world fuckery imo...but that's what they teach us to base our decisions on, $ bottom line and that's plain evil. 

 

Awesome light but 

 

faith

Too true,$ cloud the isue of the performance of a 1 light setup. Especially when i'm only looking at 1 light setup for my son. This is a commercial set up in a state that it is a LEGAL business. The whole issue of the PDF is to interest Business in their lights. There are a lot of costings missing, most are one offs. Consumables really don't make up a large part of the outlays.

 

That is why I used $1/gram, Uraguay legal proposed price. Most probably if it were still illegal for individuals to grow their own couple of plants and it was legal here, you can see the potential for big bisuness. As an exercise, who could get away with running 35 lights here if still illegal? Not many at all. It is an interesting exercise if you look at what big business would do for a profit. Set up in a laobour rich, cost poor country and import canna to here if legal. Basiclcly screw labour, screw us and make excessive profits.

 

As a one light set up for personal, the light itself has potential.

[Frank Reynolds]

Ahh k, makes more sense about the pdf. Interesting in places like cali, why the majority of cannabis wouldn't be grown in greenhouse with supplemental lighting as the available light in those places is great, costs would be so much lower. Spose it would require a fair bit more initial investment. When it comes to a commercial level in Australia, i think there will be a big move away from HID lighting as well.

 

It would be very interesting to see a few more single light set ups on here, as I am looking to upgrade my lighting atm it will just be upgrading my 600w ballast and bulb to a better digi model but who knows now  

[ZEN2U]

As I said, food for thought. I don't have control of where peoples thoughts go, only mine. I looked at it from a business proposition perspective, it does have return potential. Also from what would poosibly happen if big business moved into the area.

 

Really the only part of the PDF that relates to us is the potential of the light itself, with the growth and flower possibilities. All the rest is just a mind exercise.

[Darkblue]

The fact is cost matters, given a limited income where everything has a price. Can't get away from it. The pdf just lays out the %s fairly well on the use of the 315w CDM/CMH - whichever.

 

When cannabis is legalized or decriminalized it 'will' be big business that will acquire the licenses and make the money, at the expense of quality, as usual. We will be in the same boat we are now, just look at the illegal tobacco growers.

 

This http://www.howtogrowtobacco.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=3453 is an old post but I suspect things have not improved for tobacco growers, however small.

[obliterated]

I agree with the legal commercial viewpoints of these lights.

Despite seeming somewhat critical as to the performance of these 315w's, I still think they are very impressive umol per watt.

Raising the quality of the end product as opposed to raw yield is relative to the consumer.

Even though HPS spectrum produces excellent quality when all ducks are in a row, you cant dispute that CMH increases resin production and raises THC levels which is why there are still so many CMH growers. This is very preferable for medical use and is also a better incentive for dispensaries where THC levels are now measured and priced accordingly.

But in Aus, the commercial side is based on yield first and quality second. This is due to availability in most cases, so many 'beggers cant be choosers' and you just have to take what you can get. In legal countries, growing with CMH could give you the edge on potency that brings people to your dispensary over the other guy.... so yes, it would be a option to strongly consider as an investment.

Price tag for the 315w so far is the killer, but guys are looking at alternatives as in previous posts.

I guess the million dollar questions are... is it worth dropping a little yield for a little extra quality with a 315w or stick to HPS and keep my yield. If my yield is good but my potency is not good enough under HPS... maybe time to start shopping for a new strain?

Cant wait to see the chop forgetiwashere... close up macros please! *drools*
P.s Im due for chop this weekend too... i might throw up a pic of trichs under a Gavita 1000 DE ;P

Peace!

[billygoat]

I would absolutely give up yield for quality....within reason.

 

I find it amusing however that if someone is considering growing, and therefore going to spend the money anyway...... Or just wants a change.... Why would $600 for a potentially awesome light be restrictive? Particularly if you currently buy it you are paying half that for an ounce ??? Non sensical..

[forgetiwashere]

Ahh k, makes more sense about the pdf. Interesting in places like cali, why the majority of cannabis wouldn't be grown in greenhouse with supplemental lighting as the available light in those places is great, costs would be so much lower. Spose it would require a fair bit more initial investment. When it comes to a commercial level in Australia, i think there will be a big move away from HID lighting as well.

 

It would be very interesting to see a few more single light set ups on here, as I am looking to upgrade my lighting atm it will just be upgrading my 600w ballast and bulb to a better digi model but who knows now

 

I was just having a chat with some of the other gage green test growers about this the other day. the chat was about "your ultimate garden" there were some crazy sounding setups to be sure but i chimed in with my dream garden which would be large automated forever flowering greenhouses. so supplemental lighting in winter to increase day lengths if you want to and automatic shutters or tarps to block light in summer should you want to flower out of season. temps can be easily controlled in a greenhouse, as can pests with organic means and predatory insects etc. you get all the goodness of the sun free.

you could tell they hadnt even thought about it

[ZEN2U]

Not a good reply for a single bulb delivery from Growers House US.

 

International Economy $63.87

 International Priority $85.71

 

:(

 

Oh well, the search continues.

 

Stealth Garden Au, still haven't or wont reply to my enquiries about the bulbs.

[magpie1]

how come you cant get the bulbs from china

[obliterated]

how come you cant get the bulbs from china

I believe these bulbs are manufactured by Phillips USA, or at least sold out of?