lack of colour and leaves a little droopy

[dirtyman]

hey im thinking of changing my nutes from canna coz i just dont like it so i went to me local hydy shop and asked wot would be the best nutes to swap with canna so she gave me flairform greendream and said its the srongest stuff they stock and would probably be the best suited( my hydro shop doesnt stock canna they think its crap) take a look at the difference in analysis between canna flores a+b and flairform greendream a+b

 

Flores greendream

NPK 210-126-370 npk 37-46-116

 

NH4 0.90% NH4 3.60%

NO3 20.10% NO3 0.10%

P20 12.60% P2o5 4.60%

K20 37.00% K20 11.60%

Mg0 4.30% Ca 2.70%

So3 11.00% Mg 1.10%

B 0.030% S 2.20%

Cu 0.009% Fe 0.07%

Fe 0.168% Mn 0.003%

Mn 0.005% Cu 0.003%

Mo 0.007% Zn 0.003%

Zn 0.007% Mo 0.004%

Si 0.002% B 0.007%

Ca 0.023% Co 0.0004%

 

theres a fair bit of difference between the to hay wot concerns me the most is the high levels of ammonium nitrate especially seeing its a bloom mix not veg even for a veg mix thats way to much ammonium you dont need it well there you go guys now you no exactly wots in canna flores a+b and flairform greendream i dont no weather to swap coz i dont no how my plant will react to such low levels wot do ya think? p.s ill put sum pics up of the plant and how shes going latter

[dirtyman]

hey heres sum pics of the plant still not happy iv tryed just bout every thing and its still not better but not really any worse

 

look at this fryed out leaves got heaps more of em

 

and heres sum more pics of the plant just not looking rite!

i dont no wots making it do this the ph is always at like 6 to 6.5 e.c is 1.6 at the moment and i cant see any bugs no matter how hard i look!!

 

[Radic]

ph is always at like 6 to 6.5 e.c is 1.6 at the moment

 

you mean 6.6 ph

dont you??????????

cause 1.6 is way too acidic

 

the plan will give a min and a max EC to aim for when you mix up a fresh sollution

seen

the min is for feeding seedlings with small root systems

and the max is for big plants with biger root systems

it a ruff guide really

experiement to find the correct EC for the plants needs

too high EC will curl and burn the leaf tips

too low will fade the colour down

it goes from dark green to yellow

one needs to experiment with the EC levels till the perfict EC level is found

 

what is the EC of your water you start with?????????

before you put anyting in it at all

 

and what is the PH of the water before you start too????????

 

irey guidance

[dirtyman]

you mean 6.6 ph

dont you??????????

cause 1.6 is way too acidic

hey champ no the ph is never at 1.6 that is wot the e.c is on at the moment!

 

 

the plan will give a min and a max EC to aim for when you mix up a fresh sollution

seen

the min is for feeding seedlings with small root systems

and the max is for big plants with biger root systems

it a ruff guide really

experiement to find the correct EC for the plants needs

too high EC will curl and burn the leaf tips

too low will fade the colour down

it goes from dark green to yellow

one needs to experiment with the EC levels till the perfict EC level is found

 

yes i no wot you meen but i have tryed just bout every level between 1 and 2.2 rite now is on 1.6 and it is still curling the leaf tips down but making it lose colour i just dont no wot to do i have a strong grudge that its the really high levels of NO3 in the canna flores here take a look at the analysis off the back of the bottle!!

 

flores NPK 210-126-370

NH4 0.90%

NO3 20.10% now thats a shockingly high amount of ammonium nitrate especially seeing its a bloom mix its

P20 12.60% got the same amount of NO3 as the canna vege does im thinking off swapping mix to flair form

K20 37.00% green dream look at the analysis off the back of the bottle fair bit of difference

Mg0 4.30% between them!!!!!!

So3 11.00%

B 0.030%

Cu 0.009%

Fe 0.168%

Mn 0.005%

Mo 0.007%

Zn 0.007%

Si 0.002%

Ca 0.023%

 

greendream npk 37-46-116

NH4 3.60%

NO3 0.10%

P2o5 4.60%

K20 11.60%

Ca 2.70%

Mg 1.10%

S 2.20%

Fe 0.07%

Mn 0.003%

Cu 0.003%

Zn 0.003%

Mo 0.004%

B 0.007%

Co 0.0004% do you think i should change brands and see how she goes coz i just dont no???

 

what is the EC of your water you start with?????????

before you put anyting in it at all- the e.c of my tap water before i add any thing to it is .2 to.3

 

and what is the PH of the water before you start too????????- and the p.h is bout 6.7 to 7 bout wot you expect from tap water

 

irey guidance

- thanx mate dirtyman!

[dirtyman]

hey guys just an update on the baby still not looking as healthy as it shood im stumped just dont no wot to do its bin in flower for just over a week and has just shown its first pistils so at least i no she's a she and not a he witch makes me really want to get wot evers rong with her fixed!!!!

 

 

[dirtyman]

hey guys just sum more pics!

 

 

[dirtyman]

hey guys its day 17 of flower and well what can i say just when i get red of one deficiency i think a different one is stating to set check this photo out its a pic of an older shade leave with first deficiency next to new leaves growing from shoots with suspected new deficiency ?????? wot do you think it could be???????

 

and heres just sum other pics

the crowny is copining a bit of heat stress but the light is up as high as it can go the plant has over doubled in size in 17 days when i switched the light over she was 58 cm tall now she is like 147 cm tall is that normal??

 

there is one other thing i have noticed the bottom third of the stem is getting this like white dotted spots gowing up it but the top half doesnt here are some pics if any one could help to diagnose wots rong with my plant id be greatfull thanx

 

 

 

if any one could help to diagnose wots rong with my plant id be greatfull

thanx dirtyman

[dirtyman]

hey guys just sum more pics of the plant still in day 17 ill take sum mor pics tomoz for an update theres also some pics of some clones off her!!

 

 

 

[Radic]

once the leaf is dammaged like dat

it will not recover

it will not grow back

you can not fix up the dammage that is seen now

 

you can only hope to stop further dammage to the new growth

 

all hydro nutrients are designed to use as recomended for a complete and ballanced plant food

that means no chance of possible deficencies if used as recomended

just follow the directions

dont add anyting unless the directions say so

if your not sure about someting in the runningz

just ask

you must flush regularly

once a week is recomended by most plans

make sure you are flushing correctley and thourley

flushing is crucial

to stop toxic nutrient buildup in the solution

which can cause the same problems you are suffering

generally

at the first sign of nutrient problems flush and start again as directed

 

heat is a killer

it will also do exactly the same damage to your plants too

AC rules to control heat

low grow room tempetures are a must to maintain

or elce irrepairable plant damage just like dat is sustained

the air tempeture at the closest point between the plant and the light is what we are talking bout here

use a max/min tempeture gage hang from the lights at the same hight as the highest/closest plant to the light

and lower the tempeture now whatever it is

AC full wattz

bring it down asap

 

failing all dat it could be a genitic defect

or disease

but i dout it

the clones look alright

from what i can see

the new growth looks fine

 

irey guidance

[dirtyman]

hey guys just sum updated pics day 23 into flower

 

 

from what i can see she defently isnt as sick as she was but theres summthing still not rite about her the new growth seems a little to pale and is still getting a mild interveinal coluorosis the leaves have also completely changed in shape sum barely look indica any more i have also got these holes on sum of the leaves and no matter how much i scower through her with my 10x magnifying glass i cant find a single bug she also has these little purple spots on sum of the leaf stems

 

 

old leaves and new leaves