Scam Alert - Aussie Medicinal Seed & Don Medicinal Cannabis

[Matanuska Thunder]

Looks like another medical cannabis scam is making the rounds on Facebook...

aka SCAMMER ALERT

 

“Don Medicinal Cannabis” is changing his spots and has begun to specialize in "Medical Cannabis Seeds". 

 

DO NOT trust Don Medicinal Cannabis nor Aussie Medicinal Seed Co... as they appear to be one in the same person/company.

 "the Don" has a reputation (on Facebook) for inferior products and not delivering what he promises (taking money and not sending products), he is in the medical canna business for money, zero compassion in his business plan.

 

 If by chance these two 'companies' are not both being run by "the Don", then Aussie Medicinal Seed Co is steeling photos, and that is crap/un-ethical business practice.

 

The post by Aussie Medicinal Seed Co has been taken down already, got to love a screen grab (however crappy it may be)!

 

Be smart peoples!

 

just a few extra screen grabs to prove my point

Edited May 13, 2015 by Matanuska Thunder

[Smokin Moose]

Message just posted at Facebook - Don is ceasing business. Can't say I am sad at this news.

 

"Due to changing Australian legislation and escalated risks, with the government mentioning they will specifically target 'black market' MC suppliers, I will unfortunately stop selling MC products on 26 July 2016.

I am very proud of the 4,500 orders we have sent in the last 2 years, to 1,600+ sick and dying Australians, the $100,000+ tax this transparent MC company has paid, and my low director salary of $9,400 in 2015.

Many thanks and best,
Don

The DMC"

[Sir PsychoHashy]

Okay, if I can stop crying for long enough it's time to do a little accounting to see how generous and successful The Don has been.

 

$100,000 company tax equates to $333,333 in Net Profit, or $166,666 per year NP, from 2,250 orders per year.  So NP averages out to $74 per order.  Doesn't sound too bad, but without knowing cost of sales and other business expenses it's impossible to get Gross Profit and Net Profit Ratios which are the more important indicators.  Even average order values would put it into perspective, for example if the avg order was $1000 you would call The Don generous, but if it's $100 he's a ripoff merchant of the highest (or lowest) order.

 

Going on the rumours I've heard that he basically operates from home, and does his dodgy oils on the kitchen floor, I'd lean towards ripoff merchant.  Pretty sure he runs a low overhead business, and the prices I've seen on his site were consistently well over the value in other markets.

 

Further to this, a lot of businesses run around 10-15% Net Profit, so being generous we could say The Don is a successful businessman (so successful his Director salary is only $9,400) running NP of 20%.  At that rate his turnover would have been $833,333 per year, equating to $370 per order.

 

Big problem I have with all those figures is that there's no way he could declare income from the sale of any illegal products without landing himself straight in jail.  The regulatory framework for registered companies is strict and comprehensive, as are the accounting requirements for the Australian Taxation Office, so my guess is that whilst he would have tried to launder some of the ill gotten gains through his legitimate sales, a large part of his turnover would never hit any official records.  And as for the costs of any cannabis products purchased by the company, none of those costs can legitimately be claimed as expenses under Australian Taxation Laws, so even if the Don is quoting figures from his accounts he is full of shit.  And the ATO do benchmarking on business incomes and expenses etc, which would catch The Don out very quickly.  So if his tax paid amount is true, then I shudder to think how much black money that bastard has made.

 

Would also have to add that any business that only averages 3 orders per client over 2 years is not getting much repeat business, leading to the obvious question of why not?  The answer to which is more likely to be the reason for the business closing than the one stated.

 

Is there anyone out there who can console me over the loss of The Don? 

[Gumby1]

there there hashy.

 

there there... (pats on the back.).

 

its ok lil buddy.. its all gonna be ok.

 

(starts to sing the song... ooh child)

 

ooh child things are gonna get easier.

[Smokin Moose]

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[Matanuska Thunder]

Doing my own private happy dance here, 

this is great news

 

and yup, I am singing!

[Topai]

Hi

"I wish I had found this community earlier", was something I posted earlier and never more true than recently.

 

I don't consider myself to be one easily taken for a ride; I always check to see if a company is safe to order from online and see if they are registered.

 

I checked out this company;

https://www.marijuanaoil.com.au/medical-marijuana

 

Apparently they are linked to Vitanutricals, they were abn registered and appeared to be safe on scamming site.

 

After a lot of umming and ahhing, and in a fit of painful desperation, I decided to take the plunge and make an order for CBD oil with the limited funds available to me.

Well, I am ashamed to admit, I was ripped off.

Obviously medical cannabis is more difficult to get hold of than I would have thought - more fool me.

 

People who take advantage of others in need ought to be ashamed of themselves. I bet they're sleeping soundly, while others are losing sleep over money they couldn't afford to lose in the first place.

Hi planted, not sure if you've seen the mounting complaints against them on here, but check these out, might make you feel a bit better

 

See they've pissed of a lot of customers & people have been dobbing them into the ACCC, the Feds, & their bank. Plus looks like there will be some sort of class action against them to recover the money people have paid them, they wont refund. Did you ever get your goods ?  if not no doubt you can join the action. MCUA have received numerous complaints & have released a step by step guide for anyone ripped off by them. Given the way they conduct themselves, even if you did get your product, how could you trust whats on the label, is what your getting ?

 

https://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=2514586&p=3

[wannagrowbuds]

I reckon this is the guy. Article from local community newspaper. Location stacks up with contact details from VitaNutricals website.

 

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Edited October 27, 2016 by wannagrowbuds

[louise]

lol and again.

[spsugar]

Hi all, I'm new to the forum. I have friends/family with medical conditions an am trying to research medicinal cannabis. I noticed this Don seems to be getting a lot of negativity in this thread, but I can't seem to determine if it is because his product was no good, or because his prices were way too high, or both. I have a friend who used his product and asked him to detail his experience to see if it is as it should be. I wonder if you can help me?

 

- It was 50ml bottle. On label it says bottled 2014 with a use by 2017. Northern Lights #5, Sativa Cannabis seeds, Bonza Seeds (UK), Medium THC, High CBD, Contains ethanol greater than 95%.

- Dosage on label said 1/2 drops per day but he was cautious and only took 1/2 per week.
- Texture was somewhere between cooking oil and water. Colour was a darkish olive green.

- There were two tastes: One harsh, like strong alcohol. The other kind of sweet/fruity.
- As for the effects. He said first 5-10 mins was slight quickening of heartbeat, but after that returned to regular and he felt a bit more relaxed/painless. He felt as though something was travelling through his body and clearing blockages (not sure exactly what he meant by that, but there was a definite effect). Then some symptoms worsened, but he said for his condition this was not unusual when trying effective natural remedies, so was not concerned about it. It dehydrated him a bit so he drank lots of water. Woke in morning feeling a bit worse, but then better throughout the day, and slightly better than the day before, so overall he said he was noticing benefit.
- He has smoked cannabis before legally in Amsterdam and said these oil drops in the amount he was taking didn't give any high at all (which was good, he didn't want the high). When he smoked in Amsterdam he had an injury, and also noticed there was a point after a few hours in the night where the effects of the injury became even more painful for a period, but again, not long lasting the next day. So that was a similarity.

So our take on it is that it does seem to be doing something, and he thinks there has been benefit. But the question is, how much benefit? Is it as much as he should be getting? He really has nothing to compare it to, as he hasn't tried any other medicinal cannabis. So I'm wondering if anyone here, based on those details, might be able to say whether it was doing what it was supposed to do?

Any replies are really helpful, thanks so much!

Edited November 20, 2016 by spsugar

[Matanuska Thunder]

" noticed this Don seems to be getting a lot of negativity in this thread, but I can't seem to determine if it is because his product was no good, or because his prices were way too high, or both."
 
his products were tested and they were not what he had advertised - some had zero active ingredients some erer high in THC when they should have been high in CBD (not thc)
 
"It was 50ml bottle. On label it says bottled 2014 with a use by 2017. Northern Lights #5, Sativa Cannabis seeds, Bonza Seeds (UK), Medium THC, High CBD, Contains ethanol greater than 95%."
 
- firstly 95% alcohol - so in that 50ml bottle 2.5ml might be active ingredients - that also explains the alcohol taste.
 
"Texture was somewhere between cooking oil and water. Colour was a darkish olive green."
 
-‘texture’ sounds correct for a tincture
colour could indicate that it the THC  was extracted via alcohol (vs Co2 or Butane)
 
"There were two tastes: One harsh, like strong alcohol. The other kind of sweet/fruity."
 
]if this is within the same bottle that could mean the tincture was not shook before you took the dose out. If it is the difference between two bottles, that is a problem (and part of the reason DON was not the correct place to get cannabis products).Tinctures should have an alcohol base with sweeteners added to make the tincture palatable (taste decent).
 
"So our take on it is that it does seem to be doing something, and he thinks there has been benefit. But the question is, how much benefit? Is it as much as he should be getting? He really has nothing to compare it to, as he hasn't tried any other medicinal cannabis. So I'm wondering if anyone here, based on those details, might be able to say whether it was doing what it was supposed to do?"
 
If he thinks he is getting benefit, he is. 
How much benefit? Only he can answer that
not sure why your friend is medicating - but if he thinks it is working and he is happy with his outcome... keep using it. 
 
there is no testing of cannabis products in Australia, anyone using a cannabis tincture here is doing so at their own risk.
 
 photo of a tincture from California, this is how a canna tincture should be labeled
 

Edited November 20, 2016 by Matanuska Thunder