If ignorance is the problem!

[torture]

hehe time to pull out the vap

[Indycar]

Hey some interesting discussion going on here

Indycar man, gotta just run something by ya. You said you were right against the folks that use cannabis in front of their kids. Whether I agree or not isn't important. What is legal and not considered ignorant, is to socially take the drug alcohol, in front of any child. Can scoof down grog and nicotine and wake up to a hit of caffiene. Legally administering each drug into your body, right in front of the children.

And the difference??

 

 

Yeah good point there mate. It does possibly leave someone like myself to appear to have double standards. As i do all three of those legal things that you mentioned. But pipeman and others pretty well pointed out why. Second hand smoke from anything isn't good for kids or adults for that matter. That's why i only have one place in the house where i and others can light up, and it happens to be in a room, far corner of the house where i recently setup an exhaust fan which extracts into the enclosed ceiling, then finally (hopefully) gets sucked out by two whirly-birds via the roof. That way all ciggies and gunja isn't being viewed or taken in by any kids. Nothing lying around so inquisitive kids don't start asking questions.

 

As for Alcohol, i will admit i have no problem with. Because it seems a user/taker doesn't appear to directly affect others. Unless they turn violent or are paralytic drunk. But i can't say i've ever had to deal with a violent drunk in front of kids, possibly because those people who know me, knows i'm not one to stand for that sorta shit, and will do my best to end it as quick as it started.

 

Caffeine, i don't have an answer for that one, bar the first sentence of me last paragraph. I don't know weather it's that much of a concern. Probably because kids can easily get there hands on drinks like Red Bull and other caffeine loaded beverages at any corner store. Maybe that's something that needs a independant study on.

 

[Dr Rockster]

supporting drug law reform killed the greens in the last federal election. It is clearly a vote loser so watch for it to be pushed right to the back of their agenda if not forgotten altogether.

 

The only chance we have of drug law reform is to make the issue into a vote winner. How we do that I have no idea.

 

the man hit the nail on the proverbial feckin' head!(smacks fist in to palm for extra added emphasis!)

 

It's the politicians who have to have the scales removed from their eyes but that can't be done until undue pressure which comes from the Whitehouse and the hysterical christian right actually gets off our local leaders arses.There is a wave,a backlash against marijuana and all things canna that we are experiencing through local politics.

 

Look at Oz,and I'm just a Brit who is not reading your papers but trying to stay atune of things by actually being a member of this site and it's plain to see you guys are banging your heads against conservative emotive rhetoric are you not?

 

Big thing in the UK is this BS mental illness thing that the enemy is trying to tag marijuana with.Why?

Because they are sad myopic individuals who place emotion above reason and clear light of day fact who say that drugs are bad but will bail jimmy or jenny who 'might have had one too many' when the've glassed someone on a Friday night and ask to pray for forgiveness the next day.

 

We have to fight the alcohol industry.....shit you don't think they arent worried about profits that might fall even a tad if peeps could get good clean pot legally?

 

I say this once and I say it now: Every fucking pussy politician that went on a junket or 'fact finding mission' funded by the alcohol and tobacco industry all deserve to die screaming and in pain by the thing that they took money from.

 

The vested interests of the tobacco and alcohol lobby is our enemy

 

That prick in the Whitehouse and all the local pussy politicians who tow his line.

 

The petrochem industry which is hoping hemp stays where it is,barely able to strech her wings to the sun so she can show what she can really fucking do.So hemp gets tagged with pot and thats straight out of the Whitehouse.

 

Look at fucking Arnie,Governor of California? He let proposition 215 go through as he has the power of veto in California for certain legislation which I thought commanded some respect,after all,he is a staunch Republican yet made Medi weed available(as allowed by the state of California,disregarding federal law)and yet the Americans have just lost a piece of legislation that would have allowed full steam ahead hemp production in California and that was vetoe'd by our man Arnie who'se eye I spit in,just for the record.

 

Grrrr.........I havent even started! Ok Rant over.

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[Ruen]

petrochemicals have a good monopoly because we use petrolium engines not methanol.

[Budman2012]

The only chance we have of drug law reform is to make the issue into a vote winner. How we do that I have no idea. joint.gif

I've noticed that you seem to be at a slight loss for answers when it comes to this topic Mr Pipeman ...

Well ..

I think that you have to NOT conform to societies ways .. Sure , use it to your benefit .. but never coform to the machine that enslaves us .. most people like to complain , but how many will actually stand up for themselves when the time comes?

Remember that we have been supposedly "conditioned" for this society since birth .. then school , then the workforce ... "They" expect us to conform .. But surely anyone can see thru the lies that create society .. can't they?

 

Now don't get me wrong , Anarchy will not work well but for change ... there needs to be some sort of government and society (preferably Community) ..

But It Must be a Just , Civil and positivly productive one ...

 

Don't take their Bullshit If you know you are in the right ... kick up a stink in the best possible way .. and hopefully you are armed with the best information available to disarm any condemnation that will be thrown your way ..

 

It's because of the fear campaign that all governments wage that certain people are afraid to stand up for what they know is truth ...

 

Budman

 

So as an afternote .. I beleive the best way to lessen the persecution and heighten the awareness of Stoners as being normal people .. is to be just that .. Be civilized , But kinow your Human Rights and be prepared to put yourself under scrutiny for the greater good .. Don't hide your life away

[loylty gets u nothing]

ive only read the 1st page

but 1st up

sensorship would control this add

so therefore it would not get published

bil

[Ruen]

which censorship?

[pipeman]

I beleive the best way to lessen the persecution and heighten the awareness of Stoners as being normal people .. is to be just that .. Be civilized , But kinow your Human Rights and be prepared to put yourself under scrutiny for the greater good .. Don't hide your life away

 

well not all of us live in weed valley budman, so that attitude is easier for some to adopt than others.... but even with that in mind, you post here as budman and not your real name....

 

The government and police have the power and will to use the law against us, so exposing yourself to the law for them to do just that is nothing more than folly IMO.

 

I do what I want to do, and I see no benefit to myself or any other stoner in making myself an easy target for the law.

[freddie]

I believe the main obstacle to law reform is the total acceptance that marijuana causes or exacerbates mental health problems. Even usually balanced media outlets seem to accept this "fact". I remember an ABC 4 corners program from about a year ago that said cannabis is now 20 to 30 times stronger than it was years ago (its not!) and of course the little kiddies are smoking 20-30 cones a day and fucking their unformed brains. You even read of people using pot smoking as an excuse for crimes they have committed. It is actually used as a legal defense "i only snatched the old ladies handbag cause i was stoned and i needed money to feed my addiction". All this propaganda has somehow become accepted "fact".

 

Nobody can say that inhaling burning plant matter into your lungs is safe but there are positives to using cannabis. especially stress and pain relief.The problem in Australia atm is that the only research being done is anti pot. I reckon this has a lot to do with the Howard government. In this political environment your unlikely to get funding for any pro pot research. Also anyone sticking their neck for pro drug reform atm takes a huge risk.

Makes ya want to go live in weed valley.

[Indycar]

Yep, the mental illness thing is their last line of defense, the final thread that they are hanging onto. They don't want to dare talk about the multiple positives that the plant has. So what if we if we have a handful of people that lose the plot smoking MJ, it's in the individuals makeup already and anything could trigger it, not just MJ. And for that reason they think they can justify their stance. Meanwhile everyone and the planet are getting screwed over since the industrial revolution. I dare them to weigh up all the pro's and con's altogether and see how wrong this current stance is.