Auto growers Anonymous

[SOOTY]

Just a bit confusing

[kloud9]

Most of the growing enjoyment for me, is just chucking pollen and see what comes next.

I enjoy the Growing part more than anything else. There are all types of growers here.

With Hydro and the Strains these days even a less than optimal grow Photo or Auto will always be enough to get you well stoned and keep a stash for you and your mates.

I can understand there will always be Auto's knockers out there and that's fine.

 

The potency gap between Auto's & photo's is getting smaller and smaller, same goes for the yield.

Anyone who is serious about saying they are shit, are starting to look more and more ignorant as time goes on.

 

250 watts for 70 to 80 days from germination and producing over 6 Oz is dam hard to beat for efficiency.

250 X 18 (hours) X 80 = 360, 000 Watts divided by 200 grams equals 1,800 watts per gram

 

To put it in context if you have 600 watts and photo's taking 120 days you need to produce over 560 grams

600 X 14 (average) 120 = 1,008,000 Watts

 

So you need to produce 560 grams or 18.5 Oz with 600 watts to beat a good Auto Yield for the same Cost in Electricity.

I have know doubt a lot of you have and can do that.

 

Growing outdoors the Photo's will shit over an Auto every time.

 

My question to the serious Knockers is can you do better than 1800 watts per gram, if so then by how much & prove it!

And I can say I have done that using just 2.4 liter Pots per Plant, but I'll let the pot size efficiency slide.

 

vive la différence

Research perfectsun led there reaching 2grams per watt is not bad imo, [emoji108] [emoji106] just saying low power consumption too..

 

https://www.perfectsunled.com/

 

 

 

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Edited November 30, 2018 by kloud9

[buzzo]

Research perfectsun led there reaching 2grams per watt is not bad imo, [emoji108] [emoji106] just saying low power consumption too..

 

https://www.perfectsunled.com/

 

 

 

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I'm looking at the correct way to measure it.....It's very simple...How much Total Power (Watts) does it take to produce the outcome.

 

Wattage X Time Taken divided by weight, anything else is smoke and mirrors.

 

2 Grams per watt is simply not correct and Total B.S. It doesn't take into account the Time taken and this variable is very important when quoting overall efficiency.

By far the biggest cost of Hydro is the Electricity cost of the lighting no matter what you use.

Gotta compare Apples with Apples or it's all meaningless

 

It a bit like quoting power for Audio amplifiers....Peak to Peak when the correct measurement is RMS

Or when these Arsehole CEO's like to quote EDITDAR figures as a measure of Company performance when they are doing poorly

 

I agree the efficiency of LED's is better than HPS...They are still not there as far as HPS penetration for flowering, but yes more efficient overall and I have no doubt there is more to go yet.

 

Plasma is even more efficient for Veg than LED's not withstanding the initial cost of the things.

Who knows the next tech might be for something like Plasma in the 2500K light spectrum and the LED's will be left in the dark

 

My argument is all about the Yield of Auto's and I'm trying to point out that's its all bullshit really..

You can't just look at the overall yield and not take into account the time to get it and the cost.

Edited November 30, 2018 by buzzo

[buzzo]

If I was using 400 watts or more as HPS I would switch over to LEDS.

There is no doubt the yield per watt is much better than HPS

My 250 Watt HPS is not worth the cost to switch over.

 

I have plans to increase my grow area in 4 to 5 years time and will switch up to the latest lighting tech whatever that might be.

 

To get back on track the Comparision for yield when comparing Auto's to photo's need to take into account the actual Time the said light is on for the duration of the grow.

So basically I'm comparing my Auto yield with anything else grown with the same TYPE of lighting HPS.

Obviously if I could use LEDS that 1800 watts per gram figure would be much better looking

Edited November 30, 2018 by buzzo

[SOOTY]

Hi, my name is sooty and I'm an anonymous auto grower.. well, not really.

I have had an attempt at growing an auto in the past and had my heart broken... severely.. twice! [emoji17]

My first experience was horrible, no relationship established whatsoever.

Second time, I was let down gently with a yield of around 8-10 cones (I was hurting too much at the time to weigh it)

I have just put my last 2 auto seeds in wet paper towel in hope of rekindling the alliance that previously wasn't meant to be. Did I do the right thing?

Auto God... I beg of you to shine upon these babies and guide them through life..

Let the smell be potent and the yield be plentiful...

[buzzo]

Auto God's Evil twin here Sooty.

You already grow really really well so Auto's are much the same

What Strain are your new Auto's

 

Ok I see you use Coco and Canna, thats right up my Alley.

 

First thing is put a layer of cloth in the Bottom of the pots, or fly screen before you put the Coco in.

If you have Worm Castings then mix them in at 10 to 20 % if not just stick with your Coco and Perlite.

leave at least 30 mm room at the Top of the Pot

 

Mix up 4 ml per liter of Seasol or Rhizo

2ml per liter of Canna A & B

Use a Systemic Fungacide in the Nute's as well

PH it to 5.8 and adjust and check over the next 3 days it will drift.

If you use Tap Water then that's it...If you use filtered or RO water then mix in 0.5 ml of Cal/Mag or Cal/max same stuff.

Flood the living shit out of the Coco.

 

Put glad wrap over the top of the Pots until you are ready to drop in the Seeds.

24 hours lighting, HPS start to finish, and get stuck into them full light don't treat them like baby's

Put some sticky traps or Beer or something nearby to try and keep the Gnat Adults at bay until the next step

As soon as the plants are tall enough put Coarse Sand, or Small crushed Rock or Crushed Shell grit on top of the Coco you choose..

No more fungus Gnats issues for you...

 

Water them 3 days after you drop in the seeds..just a small amount...mist them inbetween if the humidity is very low.

 

After 1 week old feed them once a day with 10% to 20% runoff.

If you have Cannzym start using from 1 or 2 weeks old

From 2 weeks old use Cal/mag or equiv at 0.5 ml per liter

 

If they are not a rich green at 3 weeks then up the Canna to 2.5 ml per liter.

At 3 weeks you can go to 1ml per liter of Cal/mag.

 

When they start flowering either keep the lighting at 24 hours or drop down to as low as 18/6, depends on how much money you have...

 

Small buds form use PK 13/14 at 1.5 ml per liter for 1 week only..I always treat once more with a fungacide at this time

.Keep the Seasol or rhizo at 4 ml per liter until after they finish there stretch or 2 weeks before harvest.

Same goes for the Cannazym

 

During early flower you want to be at 1.6 E.C minimum...During The PK and well into flower at least 1.8 to 2.0 EC.

Basically I just feed the fuckers until I just start to see the tips burn then back off...

 

Different Strains like more or less food...My WTF's were fine at 1.8 E.C, but the AK 47 wanted 2.2 E.C.

They will let you know at week 3 or 4 how Greedy they are.

 

Do all that and they should be a nice dark green with glossy Leaves....The secret weapon is Worm Casting's

Edited November 30, 2018 by buzzo

[billygoat]

Great advice Buzzo.

 

How long do you run 24-0 for ? Might want to update the Watts per gram calc, yeah ?

[buzzo]

Normally until they start flowering..I used to drop to 18/6

This grow I'm going to do 24 hours the whole grow.

 

I've been doing a bit of reading lately my next Coco mix is going to be 70% Coco 15% Worm Castings 15% Rice Hulls

 

The rice hulls will offset the extra water retension of the WC's and add Silica during the breakdown.

The Rice Hull contain 10%  to 15% better Air than Perlite.

Tests have proven they add significant Root weight to tomato Plants when compared to Perlite.

A few Growers here use them in there organic Soil mix. Don't see any reason why they won't be the go for Coco.

 

I put in big order of Mosquito Bits (BTI) from the US...Just in case they get banned here in Australia or even in the US.

They have no shelf life and are the most efficient way to get BTI in the Soil or Coco.

Crush up 1/4 teaspoon per pot and place on top of the Media

Edited December 1, 2018 by buzzo

[SOOTY]

Hey thanks for the write up buzzo [emoji106]

They are cheeseberry from 00seeds.

These ones are going outside mate.

One in a 15 litre coco perlite hempy, and the other in same size bucket with coco perlite and compost.

I'm a lazy gardener haha, but that's a good tute for anyone starting out with autos.

Cheers

[buzzo]

Ok cool Sooty at least you are putting them down at the right time for an Outdoor grow. Keep the nasty out and they should be good.

I've used 00Seeds...I give them a thumbs up...It was Bubblegum Auto...Very tall lanky Bitch and smoko was average but at least they were Auto's and female so thats a good start

 

Cheeseberry , Sounds good looking forward to seeing how they go for you