1st Time grower - Can you help? pls

[TMGrowers]

tm, when u say ur using organic soil and compost... it wouldn't happen to be bagged bunnings stuff would it?

hiya, it would, however did sit outside for nearly a month prior to use.

 

Ok I don't think u gonna like the answer

I have put some thought into your situation n the only course of action I can is drastic

U have organic soil so why r u persistently feeding it, they don't require it

Your root system will look like the plants r above the ground, I'm suspecting not much growth at all, so this n the medium is the first thing we'll look at

Your medium is probably stuffed now n u can't just flush it out so u gonna have to start again

There r plenty of threads here about organic soils here , if that's the way u go , but essentially once u made your soil u only need to water, no nutrients

To do this u r going to have to remove old soil from roots

Don't do this with freezing water about 20c would be ideal, wash all the soil away from roots then

place them carefully in new medium, don't pour water in the top, once u have put it in new soil let it soak the water up from the bottom

This will give a much more even spread of water throughout the pot

I noticed u said nothing about fans for circulation n extraction fans of some description, this is not to be overlooked

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Your plants need this to strengthen stems

Dead air is bad air, any dead spots will cause grief whether it be mould or poor growth

The reason u think u have 2 strains could simply be boys or girls as they tend to grow different structures

I know u probably thinking about now what the fuck!

Unfortunately the fact of the matter is that if u don't address all of these issues u may as well pack it all up now because u r just wasting electricity

Back to the plants

Once u have them in new medium, at least 30% perlite, work on getting a good root system

Seasol will be perfect for this, use 1/2 the dose on bottle,

It's gonna take 3 or 4 weeks to get them back on track b then there's no guarantee all the stress won't turn them hermies

Environment is everything in this game, check out VPD charts for temperatures n humidity ranges,

Remember more is less, lots of ppl think I'll pump them full of fertiliser n watch them explode into growth, wrong,

Start reading about what plants need n when n why, how they work , this information will help u understand why b how things come together to give u good harvest

Sorry but u should have got all this right b4

 

 

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hi mic, one strain of the seeds were given to me by a friend and were labeled as GVS or goulburn valley sativa, i know now this isnt the case as they look way more like indicas rather than sativas, short and bushy so i assumed they were probably just bagseed labeled as something else.. weird though as he didnt charge me for them. the other came from a some buds and they are definitely the same strain, they were planted a week after the gvs and outgrew them by about 40x in a shorter period(males?) . as for air circulation weve got two small fans inside the tent and an extraction fan too , the leaves are always fluttering with light wind. the stems are strong and not floppy at all. i guess we fed them as we were worried about them ceasing their strong growth, sounds pretty stupid now but were still beginners. we took a plant out today and were thinking about taking another two (the sickest two) out aswell as 6 is a bit hard to manage clearly. thanks for your help! 

 

Ideally cut your lights back to a 6 on 2 off cycle , this will help in repairs n give it a chance to recoup

 

 

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i agree with all that but id like to know how the soil smells when u shake it off im betting its gone toxic, and cut the dead stuff back if mixing soil mix is hard buy some canna brand. and the plant should survive if done well, give it a dark spell afterwards, but get that grow room right good airflow right temps, 

gday guys, wouldn't a dark spell/shorter days boost them into flowering? i will let you know how the soil smells, still unsure as to my course of action at this point as were planning to take a couple out. 

 

 

 

 

I agree with Micmac if your going organic you shouldn’t need any nutrients just mulch and water. As well as ph in organic soil I have never used ph meters as they tend to buffer themselves and are not needed. I have had plants that have gone to the brink of death and with MicMac’s advise to wash and repot don’t fret it is easily acheiveable and does work. Patience is key here, get a new soil together not cheap crap you could even look to mixing your own if you like plenty of recipes out there but again don’t over complicate it.

 

You could do

 

1/3 compost or earth worm castings

1/3 pumice, perlite or scoria

1/3 sphagnum peat moss or coco - I prefer peat moss in soil

 

In my experience just this and water willbget you through to flowering without any amendments but if you want to amend you can chuck in kelp meal, Neem tree granules, basalt rock dust, dolomite lime if you want however I recommend repot and time, as long as your environment is all good you should be able to get them back on track.

 

Also watering every 3-4days dependent on pot size though vs plant size however this can be judged by feel if weight or sticking your finger in the soil or even get a moisture meter from bunnings in worst case

howdy, yeah i think we made a mistake by giving them nutes when they were going strong, i read so much conflicting information on the internet so it makes it hard, joining a forum is something i should have done waaaaay earlier. thanks for your response mate! do you just use strips to test ph? where do you get your medium supplies if bunnings isnt a goer?

[bakedcake]

howdy, yeah i think we made a mistake by giving them nutes when they were going strong, i read so much conflicting information on the internet so it makes it hard, joining a forum is something i should have done waaaaay earlier. thanks for your response mate! do you just use strips to test ph? where do you get your medium supplies if bunnings isnt a goer?

Yeah that’s always the way on the internet haha, yeah forums definetly help although you still may get conflicting info but generally both will work. Generally time and patience is the key to getting them back on track. In terms for soil grows no I don’t check the ph I have only started doing this through coco/perlite. Soil is very forgiving and can generally buffer ph, however what you may find with organic soil and feeding them nutes is it kills the eco-system within the soil that, those bacteria and fungi are what control those ph levels. Yeah for the mix you could go bunnings they should have most of it not sure on earth worm castings though - I got this locally from my garden however you should be able to find some at a garden center or locally.

 

Don’t fret you will get there.

[nici]

As suggested your mix is too hot and wet which is why its yellowing. Another couple of things to note, lower temps can cause purpling of the stems and leaves which is common (my c99's do this in winter), and when using leds sometimes you need to up your cal/mag which could be why your not seeing any recovery (the "blurple" leds seem to be the worst). Try uping your cal/mag a little with light fert waterings every 2-3 days with half the water volume of your growing pots. If you replant fill a bucket of water and dunk the roots to remove the soil. Its a lot less agressive than washing under a tap.

 

EDIT: Light burn shows as bleaching so your top leaves will go white. It takes a week or two for this to happen.

Edited July 10, 2018 by nici