CBD Oil - Some VERY helpful info and links

[merl1n]

As a moderator on a rare medical conditions website I was presented a link which I thought maybe of assistance to other medical users here

https://www.cbdoilusers.com/

With relevant info on:- 

https://www.cbdoilusers.com/whats-the-difference-between-hemp-oil-and-cbd-oil/

https://www.cbdoilusers.com/full-spectrum-cbd-oil-vs-isolate/

https://www.cbdoilusers.com/cbd-microdosing-find-sweet-spot-serving-size/

https://www.cbdoilusers.com/best-way-to-take-cbd-oil/

 

Just to name a few

 

Merl1n

[merl1n]

Now that's a different approach, one I haven't heard of before. As a health food/product it would have less regulation than any pharma product.

Now that sounds like a plan and it would piss off big pharma in a massive way, cut them out of the equation altogether.

I can see BIG possibilities if the discussion was to be taken along that line and away from the drug line, an advantage for everyone, IF (and that's a big IF) govt would agree...   ....and I doubt they would.

Govt can see BIG taxes coming from a drug, but very little from a health food/product

[MongyMan]

Now that's a different approach, one I haven't heard of before.

 

Wow merl I'm shocked to see you say that. That is how CBD was regulated in Australia but this is what the government has recently changed and sold to the Australian public as medical cannabis.

 

In Dec 2015 the Medical Cannabis Advisory Group successfully petitioned law changes in QLD that allowed Qld doctors, including GP's, to prescribe high THC cannabis in ALL it's forms from extracts to raw buds for any medical condition they considered it was of benefit for. The reaction to this from government, the pharmaceutical industry and others with vested interests and financial aspirations was to call for federal law to regulate medical cannabis instead of state laws. These laws included regulating CBD as a medicine instead of as a food.

 

CBD is regulated as a medicine in Australia because other than imported products hemp is the ONLY legal cannabis supply in Australia atm and too many Australians think it's their ticket to entering the legal Australian medical cannabis market so they are the laws that have been lobbied for.

 

The laws we have now that regulate CBD as a medicine instead of as a food were passed easily because unfortunately very few people realised how important and beneficial to patients the Dec 2015 law changes in Qld were. Many also erroneously thought they were only about allowing synthetic or imported medical cannabis which was not the case at all.

 

So today we have hemp and regulated CBD and there isn't much hope for laws allowing real medical cannabis in Australia when so many including groups like The Nimbin Hemp Embassy and Medical Cannabis Users Association didn't support the Qld law change and fight to get similar changes in other states. Instead they supported people like Steve Dickson MP, Barry Lambert and companies like Medifarm and many other companies and individuals who have sold the Australian Hemp CBD industry to Australia as medical cannabis and lobbied to change the laws to what we have now to suit their own business models rather than suiting patients.

 

MongyMan

[MongyMan]

Do you think it may be possible to adopt the UK logic and have it sold as a heath food additive?

 

There are a lot of companies and other vested interests lobbying around the world trying to get CBD regulated as a medicine but to best of my knowledge Australia is the only country to have done so to date Aqua.

 

MongyMan

[MongyMan]

The drug companies are furious about Australia's PBS scheme, they want to charge consumers their retail prices, as they do in America.

 

Merl1n

 

The drug companies don't lose a cent because of the PBS Merl. They still charge the same. The Australian gov pays the difference between what the patient pays and the drug company charges out of our taxes.

 

MongyMan

[brad@mil-fit.com.au]

This just came out today

 

Victoria, Australia - Victoria could follow in the footsteps of US states Colorado and California by legalising recreational cannabis use. The parliament’s drug law reform inquiry released a 680-page report considering 230 submissions and recommending 50 changes for how to tackle illicit 'drug' use. Within the report is a section dedicated to cannabis, specifically, “adult use” ... The report notes cannabis is “the most popular of recreational illicit 'drugs'” but “one of the less harmful substances when compared to drugs such as alcohol or heroin” ... Legalising cannabis is “an area ... worthy of further investigation”. The inquiry recommends recreational cannabis be researched by a new government advisory council. Members of the committee visited Colorado, California and Uruguay during their overseas study tour.

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Uruguay was the first country to legalise sale of cannabis across its entire territory in 2017 ... Dr Alex Wodak, helped establish the first medically supervised injecting centre in 1999 and Director of the Alcohol and Drug Service at Sydney’s St Vincent’s Hospital said the focus has for too long been on treating drug dependence as a crime, rather than a health issue. “We’ve relied almost exclusively on efforts to cut supply ... well intentioned, but market force is very powerful. The next step has to be redefining the drugs problem as a health and social issue”. Fiona Patten started the inquiry in 2015 ... she wished the report went further but was pleased with many recommendations. “I believe this report and its recommendations accurately reflect community attitudes ...” the Reason Party MP said.

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“We now understand drug use is a health and social issue law enforcement cannot solve ...”. Jarryd Bartle, criminal justice policy consultant and sessional lecturer at RMIT in Melbourne, said the report is a step in the right direction ... “not revolutionary”. “Overall ... a comprehensive summary of evidence-based drug policy ... hope it will be used in the future to guide lawmakers ... great to see committee recognise problematic drug use is primarily a health problem, not something our criminal justice system is well suited to address” ... The report found the most commonly used 'drugs' in 2017 were cannabis (9.9%), pain killers or opioids (3.4%), cocaine (2.5%), ecstasy (2.4%), sleeping pills (1.7%) and methamphetamines (1.5%). It also found Victorians in their 40's were much more likely to use cannabis recreationally in 2016 than they were in 2013 and that use increased among those aged 60 or older, too.

 

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/inquiry-into-drug-laws-in-victoria-recommends-exploring-legal-cannabis/news-story/eb33e1d64b2ccc1c656e254d37fa73c2

 

 

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[pedro de pacas]

lets all throw a party

[Auqadoll]

Pedro any step forward is better than a step backwards regardless of how small.

[pedro de pacas]

Pedro any step forward is better than a step backwards regardless of how small.

Its all a step backwards, to total control of ya life,

i'm all for it, as long as its a even playing field, where everyone gets to compete, you know like a true capitalist system 

not the bullshit social capitalist we have now

 

the system is set up for them not the people, i'm nobody's fucking slave, and let them know every chance i get

notice how when you ring any government department, you get recorded, everybody thinks its them getting recorded,

in actual fact they are recording the government workers, to make sure they toe the line, the majority of them have sold there soul for a few peanuts

 

being free to do as you please, with out hurting other people or their property, is the only game worth playing 

[merl1n]

The drug companies don't lose a cent because of the PBS Merl. They still charge the same. The Australian gov pays the difference between what the patient pays and the drug company charges out of our taxes.

 

MongyMan

 

Ahh now, that's a debatable point there MM. As the govt negotiate on a 'therapeutical value' of a drug verses a 'financial value', where the drug companies want a financial value. By using a financial value the drug companies can charge whatever they like, just like they do in the U.S. This is why the drug companies have tried to take Australia to the WTO pleading unfair practises. Their claim was rejected. What the govt pays is the difference in what we pay at the chemist to the negotiated 'therapeutical value'.

Here's an exert from a report of the PBS and the drug companies

 

 

" We get the best drugs and the newest drugs at the lowest prices. If a new drug is no better for patients than an existing drug, the PBS won’t pay the producer any more for it. In fact, the system is so good that it saves Australians about $1-2.5 billion dollars per year.

So every Australian can get the drugs they need when they need them without going into debt, and without having to make impossible choices between essential medications and other essentials such as food or rent.

The PBS delivers great value for money, efficiency, equity and health.

BUT, SURPRISE, SURPRISE, the drug companies don’t like this. They say:

• ‘the PBS unfairly limits our freedom to charge whatever the market will pay’;
• ‘it doesn’t allow us to recoup our immense investment in research and development (R&D) to develop new drugs’ (this is like a company that produces washing up liquid saying that they’ve just spent billions of dollars researching and developing a new washing up liquid and so they expect consumers to pay three times as much for it as they do for existing washing up liquids regardless of whether it’s any better at cleaning greasy plates);
• ‘because the PBS uses very strict cost-effectiveness evidence to decide which drugs should be available on the PBS and how much they are really worth, this constitutes an unfair restraint on free trade’.

Basically, they are saying that they don’t like the use of evidence-based decision making, they don’t like Australians paying what drugs are therapeutically worth, and they don’t like the Australian PBS limiting their ability to make even bigger profits than they already do. They want fewer limits in Australia on their ability to market whatever drug they want at whatever price they want."

(Report from Public Health Association of Australia)

 

 

Merl1n

[merl1n]

Wow merl I'm shocked to see you say that. That is how CBD was regulated in Australia but this is what the government has recently changed and sold to the Australian public as medical cannabis.

 

In Dec 2015 the Medical Cannabis Advisory Group successfully petitioned law changes in QLD that allowed Qld doctors, including GP's, to prescribe high THC cannabis in ALL it's forms from extracts to raw buds for any medical condition they considered it was of benefit for. The reaction to this from government, the pharmaceutical industry and others with vested interests and financial aspirations was to call for federal law to regulate medical cannabis instead of state laws. These laws included regulating CBD as a medicine instead of as a food.

 

CBD is regulated as a medicine in Australia because other than imported products hemp is the ONLY legal cannabis supply in Australia atm and too many Australians think it's their ticket to entering the legal Australian medical cannabis market so they are the laws that have been lobbied for.

 

The laws we have now that regulate CBD as a medicine instead of as a food were passed easily because unfortunately very few people realised how important and beneficial to patients the Dec 2015 law changes in Qld were. Many also erroneously thought they were only about allowing synthetic or imported medical cannabis which was not the case at all.

 

So today we have hemp and regulated CBD and there isn't much hope for laws allowing real medical cannabis in Australia when so many including groups like The Nimbin Hemp Embassy and Medical Cannabis Users Association didn't support the Qld law change and fight to get similar changes in other states. Instead they supported people like Steve Dickson MP, Barry Lambert and companies like Medifarm and many other companies and individuals who have sold the Australian Hemp CBD industry to Australia as medical cannabis and lobbied to change the laws to what we have now to suit their own business models rather than suiting patients.

 

MongyMan

 

And that's great for Queensland, but what about the rest of us. The changes need to be made Federally not by individual states. I understand that the eastern states think they are the centre of Australia, if not the centre of the world, but whilst things may be improving for QLD, in other states the positive movement is nil. Asking the medicos here for access to medical canna is like asking them for heroin. The law changes NEEDS to be federal and not just the lip service we get from Canberra.

 

Merl1n