Rally at NCPIC conference

[Wrangler556]

One of the main problems with the research, is that it is illegal/not allowed to be reasearched by anyone other than those approved by those your fighting against ie: government, so lack of funding, test subjects and easy access to the plant are all hindered severely.

 

Edit: If it were to be approved for medical trials, that would open a lot of doors.

Edited August 2, 2009 by Wrangler556

[Radic]

hahahaha

dis is part of the tune i wrote years ago that gave me the name Radic-Al

(Verse)

No aspro, chase away me bugs

no cemical, pharmecuticial drugs

No synthetic, antibiotic ina me blood

no cemical, pharmecuticial drug

all my medicine, grows natural

(Chours)

awho dare call me Radic-Al

and asay i'm a Reb-Al

there he goes dats Radic-Al

he's gone Ferr-Al

 

hahahaha

how dear dem a call me Radic-Al

jummping to wild conculsions without the scientific data backing it up

cause

every one of those studies finishes with the same results

that is

more research is needed to be conculsive

 

irey guidance

[jabez]

The research they lack is into the individual cannabinoids/chemicals/compounds within the cannabis plant. They have only been able to identify a handful, so without knowing the rest, is why they have to say may/possibly/might etc, as they can't pinpoint what the actual causes are.... then theres the problem thats everyone anatomy/how it interacts is different, and also, the vast difference within the many strains of cannabis out there.

 

The research is happening.... its just slow

 

I understand all that wrangler, but when you read up about most sleeping pills or valium or whatever it is, they always say they don’t exactly know how it effects the brain. Yet that doesn’t stop them from classing all these other drugs as safe, even though the people making the drugs are even admitting they have no real understanding of what they do (or how they do it), not to mention a lot of their drugs have life long side effects and cannabis doesn’t, I seriously don't understand the difference.

 

 

Priceadon, this may be about legalizing cannabis, but to me it’s the bigger issue of discrimination that caused prohibition in the first place. In this day and age everybody’s meant to be the same, if you’re not clean cut and don’t have the exact same values as everyone else, they either class you as a drug addict or mentally ill! Why should we play along with that one world order BS, it’s that mentality that brought prohibition around in the first place. First it was the Chinese stealing the white women by luring them into opium dens, then there were the blacks and cocaine, the Mexicans and there cannabis, all the way to the good old hippies and LSD. It all comes from stereotyping people. We should set an example of not stereotyping or excluding anyone. I mean, truth been told just going out and supporting cannabis in anyway will be seen as either a joke or deeply offensive to some people in the community. If we build an image of not just stoner hippies but an image of a diversity of people it probably wouldn’t be a bad thing, it’s kind of popular at the moment, the whole green thing and anyway the green party has plenty of so called hippies out there promoting their cause and there doing just fine.

[Fibrofeend]

I understand all that wrangler, but when you read up about most sleeping pills or valium or whatever it is, they always say they don’t exactly know how it effects the brain. Yet that doesn’t stop them from classing all these other drugs as safe, even though the people making the drugs are even admitting they have no real understanding of what they do (or how they do it), not to mention a lot of their drugs have life long side effects and cannabis doesn’t, I seriously don't understand the difference.

 

 

Priceadon, this may be about legalizing cannabis, but to me it’s the bigger issue of discrimination that caused prohibition in the first place. In this day and age everybody’s meant to be the same, if you’re not clean cut and don’t have the exact same values as everyone else, they either class you as a drug addict or mentally ill! Why should we play along with that one world order BS, it’s that mentality that brought prohibition around in the first place. First it was the Chinese stealing the white women by luring them into opium dens, then there were the blacks and cocaine, the Mexicans and there cannabis, all the way to the good old hippies and LSD. It all comes from stereotyping people. We should set an example of not stereotyping or excluding anyone. I mean, truth been told just going out and supporting cannabis in anyway will be seen as either a joke or deeply offensive to some people in the community. If we build an image of not just stoner hippies but an image of a diversity of people it probably wouldn’t be a bad thing, it’s kind of popular at the moment, the whole green thing and anyway the green party has plenty of so called hippies out there promoting their cause and there doing just fine.

 

Very well said

I could not have put it better myself

[Wrangler556]

I agree with you completely Jabez,

 

But the difference is they know exactly what those pills contain, they are one step ahead of cannabis in terms of reasearch in that area. It most certainly shouldn't be a reason to keep it illegal, but as it is, its ammo for them to use unfortunately

Edited August 2, 2009 by Wrangler556

[jabez]

Well maybe that's what we should argue for, at the very least a THC and CBD pill that can be prescribed as easy as anti-depressants, since they must have fully researched at least those two cannabinoids and worked out they have no long term side effects.

 

EDIT: Come to think of it has someone who has good grammer considered emailing the NCPIC and simply asking them what they would be open too, medically? I mean we know there recreational stance, but after going right though there fact sheets, I don't see how they can be all anti-medical.

Edited August 2, 2009 by jabez

[MongyMan]

I agree with you completely Jabez,

 

But the difference is they know exactly what those pills contain, they are one step ahead of cannabis in terms of reasearch in that area. It most certainly shouldn't be a reason to keep it illegal, but as it is, its ammo for them to use unfortunately

 

 

Electro Shock Therapy is one thing that springs to mind the medical profession openly admit they have no idea how it works, it just does, and it's legal without a problem?

 

On Priceadon's point, I agree we need to embrace all cannabis users and exclude no-one just because they don't fit the public's view of what's a "right" image. The problem still remains though that a very successful tool used by the media is to single out the few in a crowd who look like "freaks" and show them as the face of canabis users in Australia. Nimbin has had this problem from the start with their efforts for refom. They have done very well on alot of fronts but have fallen down badly on others simply over a percived public image. No one took them seriously. Maby whats needed is to not give the oppertunity to get the shots on film the media wants. If you are wearing a suit make sure you are standing next to someone who looks "feral" and vica-versa. If the film they get shows a united stand and cannot be easily edited to only show the "unsavory characters" they chose to, whithout having well dressed "respectable" people in the same shot, we can beat them at that tactic easily IMO.

 

Peace MongyMan

[Wrangler556]

Well maybe that's what we should argue for, at the very least a THC and CBD pill that can be prescribed as easy as anti-depressants, since they must have fully researched at least those two cannabinoids and worked out they have no long term side effects.

 

Now thats a great idea

 

Take Morphine which is legal for medical use,as an example, it is the priciple derivative of opium.

 

Extract something useful out, and narrow down the tests...

[MongyMan]

Now thats a great idea

 

Take Morphine which is legal for medical use,as an example, it is the priciple derivative of opium.

 

Extract something useful out, and narrow down the tests...

 

 

Pills and synthetic cannabis don't work anywhere near as well as using the plant. Look at Sativex and Drobinanol (not sure if that's spelt right) After a fair amount of testing most judged them as next to useless. Going down the "pill" path is exactly what the pharmicutical companies are all about. They are flat out demonising the cannabis plant at every chance in order to buy time while they try and make pills from it instead that they can sell to sick people for profits. We have the medicine. You can grow it free and easily yourself. We don't need pills we need to demand our right to use the plant we already have.

 

Peace MongyMan

[Wrangler556]

yeah good point Mongy,

 

I never gave thought to them buying time to manafacture something from it they can make money off, seems far fetched that that would be the reason they keep it illegal, but not beyond belief.