What the hell is an f2?

[The Hash Nibbler]

Well Eccentric, if you been 'breeding' for 15 years, you won't have to PM me asking about my room set up like a newb then. .

Because anyone breeding for 15 years and hasn't put plants under HID..... well, not much of a breeder.

 

Skywalker forgot more about breeding than you'll ever know. I agree with him an Naych , F1's are more uniform, F2's are when ya get all the variety to choose what ya like.

 

You will always get something weird, its nature, it will find a way. .

 

Oh, and just so ya don't bullshit anymore.....

 

PM message sent to me by Eccentric 8 days ago.

 

Quote " Ive seen a few pictures in the picture dump of your grows, Ive never grown the stuff before but will need to grow a lot to make remedies and am thinking something like your set up would probably be the ideal in the long term.

Would you be able to tell me about your set up and how I could copy it? " Unquote

 

Farkin Bullshitter.

 

peace. Nibbler.

[haze420mist]

420

[Eccentric]

Well Eccentric, if you been 'breeding' for 15 years, you won't have to PM me asking about my room set up like a newb then. .

Because anyone breeding for 15 years and hasn't put plants under HID..... well, not much of a breeder.

 

Skywalker forgot more about breeding than you'll ever know. I agree with him an Naych , F1's are more uniform, F2's are when ya get all the variety to choose what ya like.

 

You will always get something weird, its nature, it will find a way. .

 

Oh, and just so ya don't bullshit anymore.....

 

PM message sent to me by Eccentric 8 days ago.

 

Quote " Ive seen a few pictures in the picture dump of your grows, Ive never grown the stuff before but will need to grow a lot to make remedies and am thinking something like your set up would probably be the ideal in the long term.

 

Would you be able to tell me about your set up and how I could copy it? " Unquote

 

Farkin Bullshitter.

 

peace. Nibbler.

You are an extremely rabid poster at times without any real regard for the truth. You tend to jump in, toptally disregard what has actually been said and throw truth out the window.

 

READ my post I said Ive been hybridising plants (ummm there are lots of plants in this world outside of cannabis) and colour mutations of birds (never seen a green leafy bird yet)

 

Yes I did post you and stated I was a total newb to growing Cannabis and asked for advice on setting up BUT that doenst have anything to do with gentics. With the birds I used to  specialise in recessive, sex linked and melanistic factors but ultimately you end up with a shopping list of interactive factors that you have to take into account.... of course that has nothing to do with setting up a cannabis grow does it. My hybridisation programme is in another genus, it started out of curiosity many years ago, they take years to get to flowering so its a long wait to see the rewards or failures of the efforts but I got a nice outcome first up which kept me going and ive got several nice specimens now that I keep quiet because I havent applied for PBR on them but will down the track when I commercialise them .... of course that has nothing to do with setting up a cannabis grow does it.

 

Maybe you should get a grip on reality and not try to distort reality to suit your personal biases or beliefs.

[Nitrobuds]

Eccentric,

 

If you've experienced extremely diverse F1's in your experiments, then you were working with unstable parents. Real commercial breeders use stable, true breeding parents to produce their F1 hybrids. I can understand how your experience has differed, but you're not about to turn genetics on its head. This is high school level biology.

 

~Nitro

[Eccentric]

Nitro , I can see what you are saying and I suppose the difference here is that you guys are dealing with varieties within the species so yes you should have to some extent fewer variables. My experiments with the plants are in actually hybridising totally different specie within the genera to indroduce totally new characteristics to the target specie and as you would understand in those circumstances viability is a huge issue so its been a massive task just to get viable F1's and my experience with it is that the F1's are all over the shop. F1xF1 have been about 99.99% non-viable and have had to go F1 back to P1/P2 then F2xF2 and so on then proceed to stabilise them. I have 3 nice stabilised specimens after many years of work, one is an absolute stunner although it is almost certainly a mutation (previously unknown ground colour). 

 

To you cannabis guys,- happy breeding

[The Hash Nibbler]

You are an extremely rabid poster at times without any real regard for the truth. You tend to jump in, toptally disregard what has actually been said and throw truth out the window.

 

READ my post I said Ive been hybridising plants (ummm there are lots of plants in this world outside of cannabis) and colour mutations of birds (never seen a green leafy bird yet)

 

Yes I did post you and stated I was a total newb to growing Cannabis and asked for advice on setting up BUT that doenst have anything to do with gentics. With the birds I used to  specialise in recessive, sex linked and melanistic factors but ultimately you end up with a shopping list of interactive factors that you have to take into account.... of course that has nothing to do with setting up a cannabis grow does it. My hybridisation programme is in another genus, it started out of curiosity many years ago, they take years to get to flowering so its a long wait to see the rewards or failures of the efforts but I got a nice outcome first up which kept me going and ive got several nice specimens now that I keep quiet because I havent applied for PBR on them but will down the track when I commercialise them .... of course that has nothing to do with setting up a cannabis grow does it.

 

Maybe you should get a grip on reality and not try to distort reality to suit your personal biases or beliefs.

Well professor, your plants aint even cannabis, you have no experince growing cannabis, yet ya here giving lessons to guys I would consider well and truely able to breed CANNABIS....... don't give a shit whether ya grown daffidils for years or mangoes or papaya.... its not cannabis.

 

Cannabis can't fly either, its not a bird.  So ya genetic bird work means shit to me either.

 

I have a perfect grip on reality Sir, if ya gonna talk the talk....... walk the walk.

 

Peace. Nibbler.

[iTiC]

I think 25% of the generation of the F2 will have any reccesive traits you'd be looking for. Corssing into an earlier "Mother" that displayd these desired traites would be how you would use "Genetice Selection: as opposed to Genetic Manipulation" to determin a pure genetic selection of the desired trait.

[Nutter3]

I know im revisiting old ground, but this thread has confused me, (not hard )............Lets say you were to cross a fem Green Crack, with another fem Green Crack, to achieve fem seed, then used the same pollen on one of the offspring, will this help stabilize the strain??

 

Nutter3

[Carnage]

I crossed my 20:1 cbd:thc w/ tangie, i wanted a big batch of seeds that had lower cbd and some more thc

I got around 500 odd seeds from this grow in a small cab, these ones i hand out for free occassionally.

 

 

i then grew out a dozen of the 20:1 x tangie f1 seeds at home last year

crossed a male f1 over a female f1 in flower last summer

made a few hundred seeds from inbreeding the f1s and labelled them as f2s in seperate jars (just for me)

 

 

so i got a few hundred f2 seeds , i am making an IBL (In Bred Line) over a few years as it is mold resistant gear (i dont hand them out ever)

the f2's in flower are a range of the f1's parents ( the 20:1 & the tangie) almost identical copies, with the addition of a nice mixture of inbetween

(some of the f2 penotypes will be almost exactly the same as the 20:1 cbd and some will be almost exactly the same as the tangie and others will be a mix of the 2)

 

I'm going have a lot of fun sorting through the f2 phenos that i grow once i flower them i tell ya

 

 

 

**in addition to that, I crossed the f1's male over the original 20:1 i had a cut of her in flower too

So I have also back-crossed the 20:1 cbd:thc w/ the 20:1 x tangie f1

 

looks like this --->  (20:1 cbd:thc) female cut taken from the mother of the f1s   x   (20:1 cbd:thc x tangie) f1 male pollen

this is my 20:1 bX seeds

 

I really love cbds ive got about 10-15 cbd strains that are at least 1:1 cbd:thc

 

about 20 other strains i made are 2-5% cbds too and have at least 15-25% thc if grown correctly

 

 

 

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I intend to make f5's of the best of the best strains before i die of my absolute favorite smoke i have created from breeding at home 

this means all the seeds will be uniform like soldiers once i flower them all at the same time

 

 

 

*** The list of things i can do is endless , if i kept breeding the f1 seeds together (IBL) i could make about 10 (more but this is an example) different strains after 10 yrs or more just bX this and f2 or f3 this and that and getting the pheno of this or that and doing whatever I feel like between the phenotypes of whatever generation of whatever cross I make... i could even isolate different flavors and bud colors and different smells and tastes. different thc and cbd profiles could all be isolated. it's amazing once you get into the science of it all including what would be the possibilities of decades of IBL the original batch of f1s of 1 specific cross.

 

 

 

I hope you like the way I understand f1's f2's through to f5's & beyond

I didn't spend time learning all of this to be hated for it

 

 

Carnage

 

P.S. there's more ... so so much more to it all , it is neverending i promise, you can never learn it all, everyway I look at it

I hope you like the way I understand f1's f2's through to f5's

I didn't spend time learning all of this to be hated for it

 

[Nutter3]

Thankyou very much Carnage, yes i understand what you say, its got me fasinated as well , the whole program,   but im going to start with 2 fems of the same strain,  that is if this Colloidal Silver works,  then hopefully save some pollen & back cross strait away, in the hope that the line will stay more even, & thats why i dont need a male in the equation, im only want to work with X chromosome, so even when there is a spin of it will still be female.

 

This idea of making a female produce pollen is interesting as well, people swear by homemade Colloidal Silver, & some ive talked to say a 30cm plant is all you need to produce plenty of beans,  then theres making the Silver, & a homemade generator, & so it goes on, the whole program has a huge interest, for me anyway

 

Thx for your time to reply & good luck

 

Nutter3