From the horses mouth? Perhaps H*E*M*P should refer?

[wildflower]

Number of research papers here.

http://www.ancd.org.au/publications/index....research_papers

research publication in question

http://www.ancd.org.au/publications/pdf/rp...s_questions.pdf

this website and its research paper is referred to by. http://notes.med.unsw.edu.au/ndarcweb.nsf/...7F?OpenDocument

 

Publication 2006.

This is a recent report on cannabis.

This is an excellent publication and I recommend everyone read this. It still thats so little is known about cannabis - but what is known, its more positive than you think. So, is ignorance really isnt an excuse, particulary with those intent on pushing lies and propaganda on "hydro" ?

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4 . Are greater amounts of cannabis being used and is it stronger now than it was in the 1970s?

.....Unfortunately, compared with studies of the prevalence of use, there are no longi-tudinal Australian data directly addressing the specific issue of whether the frequency or quantity of cannabis used has increased along with changes in the form of cannabis used and its route of administration.

 

4 .2 Evidence for change in strength (potency) of cannabis

...There has been controversial speculation in Australia and the United States that the THC content of cannabis has in-creased up to thirty-fold during the past two decades, and that this has contributed to reported increases in cannabis-related harm, particularly in young regular users. Although this is a tempting argument, it is as yet unsubstantiated by research. In fact, cannabis potency monitoring has shown only small increases in THC over the past few decades. Australia has no uniform program for the ongoing testing of cannabis THC content.

 

4 .3 Hydroponic production

As yet, there has been no systematic investi-gation of whether hydroponic cannabis is stronger than naturally grown cannabis or whether it is associated with a different pattern of effects or harms. One concern about hydroponic production is that growers add potentially harmful chemicals, such as fertilisers, pesticides and hormones, to plants in a bid to increase crop potency.

Whether or not this practice is widespread remains speculative, while the long-term health effects of such exposure have not been researched

So does this research paper expose the idea (shock horror!) that knee jerk reaction to policy changes and law in regard to cannabis - has nothing to do with facts and research (and lack of it apparently). Perhaps its more so to with independant interests compounded by community ignorance and other factors.

Polictical Hyprocrisy.

Ifs you stand for cannabis, you stand for cannabis - theres no sides or middle ground. To do so has me raising an eyebrow to what your really up to. This publication makes little distinction between indoor and outdoor.

Please contribute any comments/quotes on this publication.

 

[Budman2012]

Thx Wildflower , Yes ...

That seems to basically be research about something that hasn't been researched properly yet.

Research about the lack of research as you said.

This is what we want changed so that the real truth of the matter can be revealed.

Thx again for the clinks.

 

Budman

[wildflower]

The Australian National Council on Drugs (ANCD) is the principal advisory body to Government on drug policy and plays a critical role in ensuring the voice of the community is heard in relation to drug related policies and strategies.

 

Yes so there we have it - and its really not that bad. A mostly non-biased research paper - From what ive read so far.

 

Budman2012, theres quite a bit of research actually - theres just no solid research into supporting claims that cannabis is as dangerous (dangers of hydro etc etc) as the public is lead to believe by ignorant politicians, media and individuals.

Compared to say..tobacco and alcohol - It just not that bad.

Truely educated people will see the absolute pointlessness of any divisive debate within the cannabis community.

Whether you prefer indoor/outdoor, hydro/soil or lights/sun. Its important that it is understood that whether you like it or not - we are talking about the same plant.

We could refer people with any fanatical ideas about cannabis to simular threads such as this.

Lets get back on track and stay positive.

 

[Jess Stone]

Thanks Wildy ,I'll be using some of this research on DTS considering the WANK that usually comes out of this mob of mostly pseudo-wanker-expert/anti-cannabis propagandists. BigBong,Baldy and HEMP should read this stuff,as I suspect they already have,I think you'll find what the say and what they do are not always entirely consistant ,hmm,you know like a smokescreen (to use the appropriate pun).

[wildflower]

Ive just done some more reading...

continue on with the paragraph in question.

 

4 .3 Hydroponic production - cont

...One concern about hydroponic production is that growers add potentially harmful chemicals, such as fertilisers, pesticides and hormones, to plants in a bid to increase crop potency. Whether or not this practice is widespread remains speculative, while the long-term health effects of such exposure have not been researched. There has been recent speculation about headaches and migraines resulting from the smoking of hydroponic cannabis, in addition to concerns about possible associations with cannabis psychosis. (72)

 

72. Nimbin Hemp Embassy (2004).

Hydroponic Cannabis. Retrieved

on 28 March 2004 from

http://www.nrg.com.au/~hemp/parliament_doc/Hydro.htm

 

My jaw nearly dropped to the ground when I saw that references this particular sentence was making.

This is the only reference to this concern (as far as making the distinction between outdoor grown and hydroponically grown). For the rest of the publication - there is no distinction between indoor(hydro) and outdoor.

 

This only reference, which inturn references a small paragraph which is in itself - entirely speculative and lacking any kind of evidence whatsoever.

So.

Could it be at all possible that Nimbin Hemp Embassy perhaps have contributed a crucial role in having this distinction as we know it today?

Could this have had any influence on the new "hydro" laws in NSW?

Its a chilling thought. If indeed NHE does have a poweful voice and its lobbying does influences policy change - then its even more worrying if in fact the intention has already implemented and the damage has already been done.

Have the general supporters cannabis reform at any time been aware that their support and donations perhaps have funded nothing more than the lobbying of a fear campaigne againts indoor growers and hydro?

something to think about.

please comment.

[dsyfer]

http://www.nrg.com.au/~hemp/parliament_doc/Hydro.htm

 

Newsflash:

 

Organic bush buds cause ignorance (well probably, but just a guess)

 

 

 

"probably" & "guess" a couple of words that should be included in any solid rational argument, don't you think?

[pipeman]

bigbong was trying to tell us in the hemp bar thread that they did not encourage the harsher laws for hydro. well thats certainly hard to swallow after reading statements like that under NIMBIN HEMP EMBASSY'S STATEMENT TO NSW PARLIAMENT COMMITTEES AND THE PUBLIC. http://www.nrg.com.au/~hemp/parliament_doc...tents.htm#hydro

 

but Michael Baulderstone has better things to worry about. Last I heard he was trying to flog off the Hemp Museum building for $700,000. Good luck with it Mike. After you're cashed up for retirement maybe you can hand the reigns over to someone who won't be trying to make life harder for indoor growers and will base cannabis activism on the truth.

Edited August 29, 2006 by pipeman

[two2time]

well there you go , most of it is just meths again...

 

GO HYDRO!!!

 

 

 

TT

[moKing]

the hemp bar has disapointed me greatly with their bias artical on hydroponics i used to think they were cool,

 

"Of real concern to the Hemp Embassy is the quality of hydroponic cannabis. Genetic engineering and dubious chemical additives may modify the physical and psychoactive effects of cannabis and we encourage more research to be done into this."

 

"The problem is there are no regulations. Ridiculous amounts of dangerous chemicals are used by novice growers in the hope of higher yields. Mould and insects are dealt with by household chemical sprays such as Mortein! Fertilizer withholding periods are ignored before harvesting, a month is recommended, but not practical for a 3-month crop!"

 

No regultions is the prob full stop, it is completly dependant on the growers choice of organic or chemical fert and medium. There is prob more need for pesticides out doors and fertelizes are still commonly used. I'm guessing it would prob be harder to flush nutes from the soil than a hydro system.

 

peace

moKing

[wildflower]

Of course there is alot of ridiculous statements made by NHE and their affiliates - please refer to the other thread that has enough thorough explainations as to why their claims or without merit.

 

This is also not a discussion about hydroponics.

 

This thread is about who what and where their sources of references are and if NHE are in fact the source of their own reference. Self producing propaganda - then in turn referencing own propaganda claiming it as a legitamite source.

 

This government endorsed research paper references the Nimbin Hemp Embassy own distinction and unsubstanciated claims about "dangers of hydro" and nothing else!

This government paper itself has determined such claim as "unsubstanciated"

 

It is highly likely that Nimbin Hemp Embassy, its affiliates and "champions" are the source of our recent public anti-hydro hysteria. Falling right into the hands of prohibitionists (as suspected).

If indeed the folks in nimbin have managed, either deliberately or through just plain stupidity and carelessness, played a major role in contributing to these recent changes. Then in hindsight rather than helping fight prohibition, anti-drug laws and the war on drugs - have created more harm than good. Particulary indoor growers who harvest indoor cultivated cannabis for their own benefit.

The laws on outdoor has not changed.

NSW now has harsher cannabis prohibition.

NSW now has a distinction in law called "HYDRO".

what a disaster.