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[dicepunk]

its BS.

The real "fact" of the matter is that there is a growing facility in the US, where the story originates. And thats probably all thats true about it.

 

Sure someone probably got ahold of a plant from there. But as to it actually being the plant in circulation...total BS.

 

Like i said check out overgrow if you want to know the full BS backstory there is a 20+ page discussion on it , in the forums.

 

Have we all got the g13 out of our systems now?

[F420]

Yup,

 

But its not BS, Like I said I have grown it. Its good but nothing like the hype about it supposed to be.

 

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[indooraussie]

dont care to be honest but ill leave last post to show how many g13 their is supposed to be. Edited June 22, 2005 by indooraussie

[indooraussie]

As it goes Nevile of sinsi seeds and cannabis castle took the G13 clone from the us to amsterdam the clone was taken from Green house no 13 that is were the strain got its name from( G /goverment clone ,13/ greenhouse no 13 = G13 ) and nevile was the only person in the industry ( cannabis community ) to have the clone He then used diffrent males over the G13 fem clone to creat hybreeds wich are what most are now calling G13.

 

 

Airborns G13 is a G13 x NL that was sold threw sinsi that 100s if not 1000s got and grew out .

 

The So cal or west coast G13 being talket about of late in CW is also a G13 x NL .

 

Nevile also made a G13 x haze hybreed and also made a G13 x hp that sinsi now calls Mr nice .

 

Nevile also made a G13 x Sk that will be sold threw Mr nice seeds that was the last ever x of the G13 clone before it was lost yes it died .

 

Pacific g13 ( The 2 G13 clones labeled as Pacific G13 are not G13 as it did not come from the cut nevile had or the same Goverment green house and if pacifics G13 is even a hybreed of the G13 then how can there be 2 vertions of the same strain you can not call 2 sepret plants the same name if it came in clone only form so at best pacifics G13 well both Pacifics G13 getting around can only be a hybreed or a x of a g13 hybreed.

 

A lot are working with G13 hybreeds that were sold threw Nevile and im sure there hybreed xs will be excelent as there is a lot of talented growers and breeders in this community but agine if were are about bettering the plant and the communitys understanding of things then we need to tell it as it is .

[Pickle]

No one is disputing that G13 strains are now a cross. Since the original clones died out or were lost to the winds that is all any G13 strain is and no one is claiming any different.

[indooraussie]

Yup,

 

But its not BS, Like I said I have grown it. Its good but nothing like the hype about it supposed to be.

 

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well i say someone is.

 

my point was pickle that what was available off pacific is a cross not and i say not g13.same as she claims to have a princess clone which mr soul cut her credibility to pieces as he stated he has not given anyone a clone off princess.i must say that pacific should stop trying to chase the hype because the work she does is excellent anyway and could stand on its own.

 

anyway for those interested.

 

 

The G-13 clone was discovered by a guy named Sandy Wienstien. A founding member of Sacred Seeds, Breeder of Early Girl, He also discovered the Bay Area Durban Poison clone (the same clone All dutch DP is based on). During the mid

70's Sandy W and members of the Bay Area (SK#1) group were working in cooperation on some of their afgans. A couple of the plants intro'd early into

both programs brought a near fatal vunerabilty to grey mold. Both programs had

to backtrack while new afgans were found to replace the culled plants, as well as beginig an extensive tourure testing program for the remaning stock.

Sandy had a group of friends, growers who lived in his area (S.Ark-N Miss)

One of these friends was a grower, and first year botany student who had,

by shear accident, landed a job working with Carlton Turner , who ran the US gov. pot program @ U of Miss. Sandy's friends job? using the early,rather primitive tests they had at the time to test Afganica plants for THC level!

As Sandy's Early Girl program in the MW and the Skunk#1 people in Cali were on

a desperate search for Afganicas. Sandy enlisted his friend to send him anything

"interesting". Sandy's friend sent him 23 plants in all, and to differetiate these from his regular Afgani stock, which he labeled A1, A2 etc., Sandy designated his

"government" plants G1-23. None of these were used in any Sacred Seeds breeding program. Sandy saved only a very few of these G clones, among these was G-13. He was to busy and never had a chance to do anything with it, so it stayed on the shelf. But he saved it knowing it was a special plant, a "sport".

In its pure form it was apparently not very pleasant smoke, tasting like lawn

clippings, soaked in a mixture of urine and feces (fecal flavors are common in pure afganicas) with a lovelly aftertaste of burning tires. The shear power could not be

denied however and that's what made the strain's rep. As I sayed, G-13 was a breeders plant, (see MJ Botony p70) for a description of a sport but basically it's

a plant that shows benificial mutations which can be passed down to the next gen. In the case of G-13 it was a scraglly plant with lowish yields, but it had the

desirable trait of massive resin production. So much so, that if you let it go to long

it could supposedly choke itself. Some sativas can do this, what Shanti calls the "Widow" sport is an example, but it's very rare in an indica.

It was during Nevil's 83/84 collection trips to the US that he aquired, from Sandy W the only G-13 cuttings to ever leave Sandy's garden. Nevil returned to Holland

and made three crosses with G-13 @ the Seed Bank.

G-13x Haze (in catolog only 1 yr, discontinued, no extent P1's)

G-13x Hashplant (discontinued, currently Sensi Seeds: mr nice)

G-13x Skunk#1 (last and, according to Nevil, the best of the G crosses.

Nev gave Shanti the last of this stock. Shanti, after

suffering alarmingly low germ rates initially from the

20 year old seeds, put them though a number of

breeding cycles and you all lucky bastarts are beta

testing the results.)

Sandy Wienstein passed away in 1987. If you have the '88 edition of Mel's

Indoor Guide, then you have Mel's wonderfull euligy to his friend.(Mel was

part of the upstate NY group, which was a sattelitte of Sandy's midwest group.

Mel and Co. were not breeders but the ran beta grows for Sandy's Early Girl

proj. Just look pic's captioned Durban poison x Afgani in upstate NY from any

of mel's books.)

For those who don't have this vintage edition, just turn your copy of Mel's

Deluxe MJ grow guide to the back cover. The guy in the red pendelton shirt

and the long hair and shades, Thats Sandy. You owe him more than you know

[everest]

: fukin great info there indoor :smoke

[indooraussie]

ive got a pic of the book somewhere on my drive ill post it when i find it.it shows sandy who basically started all this.ironicly(spealt that shithouse)a few weeks after he passed away is when the g13 mum and the clones nev took for backup just died.nev suspected a genetic breakdown.ill change subject a little oldschool info on skunk.

 

I currently have some feelers out to some people at the very

heart of this whole matter and if they respond I'm sure I'll have some

corrections. With that disclaimer......

Skunk#1 was the result of a communal breeding effort by a small clique of

breeders who worked the coastal hills surounding the Bay Area. The first

"skunk" plant (C.Gold x AFG unstable) was not discovered by this group but

Jingles who cut the unstable line but kept this one special plant for his

personal garden. This was around '69 or so. anyway, the clone made its way

around the club and soon this Bay Area group decided to adopt it as a project.

With the C.Gold mom used by Jingles as well as the Haze Bros they set about

trying to create a stable version of Jingles "skunk". The result would be known

as Skunk#1. Columbian Gold x Acapulco Gold/Afgani

There are better people around here to tell you the exact details, not the least

whom is Sam_Skunkman over @ TFD. Yes it's him.

My understanding of the SK#1 breeding group is that it started very small and

grew as time went by. SkMan starting out as a Jr grower in the late 60's and

rising to the level of chief breeder and seedmaker for the seed co. in the late

70's/early 80's. It was supposed to have been very difficult to join this group

and a prospect would first have to be sponsered by a member of the inner circle

then be required to breed out a certain number of versions of Sk#1 from both

clones provided by the club as well as genetics they provided themselves. This

way they assured quality control and widened the gene pool at the same time.

The original unstable "model skunk"plant was a direct cross of C.Gold x Afg. but

the Bay Area people soon found out how difficult it was going to be to cross a

C.Gold to anything. So it was found that it was easier to cross these difficult

plants to a plant that was already hybribized. Hence the Introduction of A.Gold

into the mix. This also apparently added two other favorable traits. In addition

to making crosses easier, high GCA has been stated by Clark as one of the goals

of the breeders, the A.Gold also marginaly reduced flower time but most

importent was its addition to calyx/leaf ratio. If you turn to P 248 of Mels Dlx

you will find a pic of four mexican colas. Notice the two shots on the bottom

are taken against the backround of Sandy W's barn. I'm almost 100% sure

the plant on the lower right is A.Gold and about 90% that it's the primary

A.Gold mom in Sk#1. Notice the foxtail style buds and hi C/L. Now imagine

this crossed to an afgani, starting to get the picture? By the way most but not

all of the Afganis were from MLW.

As i said earlier most of the Sacred Seeds breeding groups suffered disasters

of one sort or another in the early days and in the case of Sk#1 it was the

dreaded botritis cinerea, grey mold. Introduced by some of the early afgani

crosses it kicked of a massive afgan genetics hunt/torture test. And while

the late great Maple Leaf Wilson provided most of the genes they scowered

every nook and cranny for an Afgani ;0. Many non Skunk#1 members of the

Sacred Seeds who were also working on their own projects got involved.

I already spoke about Sandy W's involment and there were apparently others

though the only one I am reasonably sure of was an East Bay biker/Vietnam Vet

who went by the handle "Mendacino Joe", who as you can probably guess by

his name he was supposed to have been one of the founders of the Trinity grow

scene. Joe was working on a grape/pepper flavored mostly afgani hybrid not

related to Sk#1, but he had a large collection of genetics and was a good grower

and so he was included in the torture tests. The ultimate result of these tests

was a special line called Skunk#18.2 (Sk#1 x Afg bx-1). It is a line that inparts

incredible hardiness and pest/disease resistance on its offspring. The Skunkman

brought several kilos of these seeds with him along with his other stuff when he

moved to holland in '82 in the wake of his release from prison.As far as I know

he has only given these seeds to Nevil, Shanti, and Wernhard from Positronics.

(ever wonder why Shiva Skunk {NL#5 x SK#1) is so resistant to spider mites?)

In the wake of the Sacred Seeds bust in '82, "Mendacino Joe" moved to the

Vancouver islands and changing his handle to "Romulan" Joe bringing with him some early Sk#1s or deriviteves, a line of

Central Ithsmus lowland Thai that may have been purchased from the Haze

Bros and of course his grape/pepper flovored indica strain, Romulan. Soon to

be a BC classic. It was these lines that Pr. Ziggy @ Federation seeds in BC was

supposed to have purchased from old Joe shorly before his death, and are

offered as Island Sweet Skunk, Golden Triangle Thai, and Romulan.

Torture tests and "inoculations" were mostly done outdoors with special

patches of extra clones in an isolated area, which were then diliberatly

infected. Deseased and pest riddled local plants would be transplanted into

these special gardens and then the plants were tested to destruction while the

growers watched and made note of the strongest individauls. Sacred Seeds

was all about division of labor.It's one of the ways they accomplished so much

in so little time and they used natural selection to work in their favor.

Skunk#1 first went on sale in '78 or '79. As far as I know it was the only strain

that Sacred Seeds didn't give a discount on orders over 1k seeds. Seeds were

2$ a peice and people bitched about prices even back then. Especialy that no

discount thing But like the Hazes (which could sellout a year ahead) SK#1

sold out every year. The seeds were sold as F1's made if I recall with a F ?

fillial plant backcrossed to one of the original parents. Due to the communal

nature of the project,there were many parents as each breeder included his

own varietion, Skunk#1s bred from the same P1 stock but often getting to the

goal a different way, for instance some variations used C.Gold on the male side.

With tight control over the P1s the breeders could assure their stated goal of

making true breeding stock but with the widest possible gene pool they could

also be sure to achieve both high SCA and GCA. also stated goals of the project.

Now I can tell you from personal experience that exactly what constituted a

"skunk" was a matter of just a little debate but they basically came down into

camps which actually carried forward into the Dutch world. The "Sweet Skunk"

camp, which including the SkMan, and the "Stinky Skunk" camp. In terms of

modern Sk#1 the CC/TFD Skunkman bred "the Pure" is bred for more

consistant plants and towards the SkMans ideal Sk#1. While the stinky side

of the house would be best represented by the SeedBank/Mr Nice skunks

which also have more variation in types like the earlier California skunks.

I must state here that there is no right answer, its a matter of taste and a

debate thats been going for on about 30 years.

In '82 I came home one night and turned on the TV. Just as they went to

commercial the news bimbo teased the story, "comin right up after this" police

official say they got the source of the skunk. Yeah right I thought, we'd heard

these claims before, always to be followed by shot of some deputies pulling

three scragly plants from some poor sucker's patch. This time it was different,

this time they were standing in front of a warehouse.

Sacred Seeds was busted in '82. The Skunkman was arrested and the cops were

in possetion of the groups main seedmaking op. But this bunch was savey and

had pre-paid bailbonds/lawyers on retainer and so SkMan was out in a matter

of hours. And so began one of the greatest capers in Sacred Seeds history.

An event I will call "the great rootball rescue". Skunkman, out on bail and

eager to find out the condition of his grow rooms stakes out the grow to make

sure the cops aren't waiting there for him. After sitting for hours he finally gets

over his paranoia and makes a cursery recon and can't believe what he finds, the cops in either there arrogance or ignorance have left the place secured with only police tape. checking the grow as well as the dumpster out back the found

many plants cut well above the the first node and some that had been simply

pulled from their containers and tossed whole. the dumpster was also full of

seeds and it was obvious that the cops had broken many seed containers but

because there were so many eventually just started throwing jars out whole.

the cops had left all the stuff there until morning when they could properly

catolog it, including all the grow equip. Skunkman sprang into action, called a number of the un-busted members of the club and the "great rootball rescue" was under way. His friends showed up and they litteraly stripped the place of

every thing usefull. Lights were sold to pay legal fees, the rootballs, including

the Haze mom SkMan has to this day were nursed back to health by the

people who escaped prosicution and the police were left with a distinct lack of

evidence. Causing some of the cases to collapse entirly and some, like SkMan

to serve greatly reduced sentances. If they'de gotten him on everything they wanted him for he'd still be there. Instead, He served less than a year and on

his release he collected up his strains from his friends, including Sk#18.2

rescued from the dumpster and made his way to amsterdam were he founded

Cultivators Choice seed co, named after the top award at the annual Sacred Seeds

harvest fests held in Nor Cal from 67-83. A year later Skunkmans new friend

Nevil was starting SeedBank and used SkMans contacts was able to aqquire a second batch of Sacred Seeds Sk#1 seeds. When Cultivators Choice went out of

biz a few year later Nevil bought most of their stock. While both worked from the

same set of Sk#1 females each has there own males (breeders never give up a male) selected from the only two importations of authentic Sk#1 into Holland.

The Cultivators Choice variation is the one offered by TFD as "the Pure"

The SeedBank version is @ Mr Nice, Shanti's Shit is his Sk#1/Afg variation

with "Pure Shit" aka pure Sk#1 upcoming. I'm sure there's more but I'm all

"skunked" out right now.

[huge001]

God Bud is the strongest indica , Jack Herer or Rene are the strongest sativas , followed closely by Marley's Collie .

[dicepunk]

I'm not trying to be an asshole,

 

wait yes i am. FFS it's heresay.

This thread is as bad as the overgrow one. It actually has dropped to their level of fighting over who has grown g-13. Noone has it , everyones grown it right ?

 

You read thru all that shit on overgrow and all you can get from it is that everyone has their own story.

 

No offence intended at all dude but stories don't make fact.

 

I'm more than happy to agree that there is a strain called g-13 in existance....to say there isn't would be ignorant. But to say that g-13 ever came from any of the stories, you would have to go write another letter to santa.

 

Its santa for stoners people.

I can't stress that enough !