Quantifying the Clinical Significance of Cannabis Withdrawal - An NCPI

[jabez]

But I am confused as to why you are putting all this blame on the cannabis plant? The way i am seeing it is like a gambler blaming the casino solely for all of his losses.

 

Maybe you just need to learn how to read brother! I never put any blame on the cannabis plant. In fact, I’ve mentioned several times that I think cannabis is an amazing plant and clearly stated that the blame lays solely on me. All I have said is that this tincture would help me deal with the problems I and I alone have caused in my life.

 

I have over 700 posts on this forum, which are nearly all about defending the cannabis plant and bringing attention to its benefits. So don’t start trying to lecture me with petty scenarios!

Edited October 25, 2012 by jabez

[brick]

But I am confused as to why you are putting all this blame on the cannabis plant? The way i am seeing it is like a gambler blaming the casino solely for all of his losses.

 

Or blaming a firearm when someone shoots a person.

[Naycha]

If there’s a movement happening, then show me where it is and I’ll support it. But I’ll leave the logic of being hit with a more severe penalty by pleading not guilty to a criminal offence to ‘obviously’ smarter minds than mine.

 

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The legal status of cannabis has absolutely nothing to do with the small minority of society who use cannabis not wanting to be martyrs. But whatever!

 

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I'd like to see some evidence of people receiveing a more severe penalty by asking the Police to do their jobs properly and by pleading not guilty. I don't recommend everyone plead not guilty, but it is a viable option in many cases. I know of two prominent members of this site who have had sentences greatly reduced or charges droped altogether.

 

I have never claimed to be 'smarter' than you so I don't know where that came from (although it may well be true).

 

I don't believe Cannabis users are a small minority of society and the statistics back this up. I don't suggest people become martyrs.

 

The personal problems you refer to above are not going to be solved by Sativex. Professional psychological help from someone suited to your problems and you as a person is often necessary in situations like these and for some people psychopharmalogical intervention in combination with this can help.

 

Naycha

[Faith]

Jabez man i understand...a little. In my case, Alcoholism. Had it-drank it. Had it lost it. House, wife, it goes on...friends. State or govt or religious organizations did not 'cure' me or assist me in my disease. Though paying legitimate lip sevice for 'cred' in the eyes of the UN re this sort of matter no doubt. You see, they are as weak as we are so we MUSN"T give them any more power to remove our freedoms 'to'-cos dey jus as sick as us. I gotta say Frazz and Naych are speaking wisdom (I believe) in these sorts of matters. Be discerning of course, but don't put the blinkers on-its gonna be a slow process.

 

Personally, I would maybe try a vaporizer? You got the runs on the board jabez, noone is denying that or discrediting you but man Sativex is not the way to go. As soon as the $ touch ANYTHING it will become tainted and corrupt by the shear nature of the fiscal/economic modes we employ today which in my opinion is run by PURE EVIL (IMF, illuminati, satan-call it what you will). I can't support any 'cause' that will give these entities my minimal freedom (GOD-GIVEN) to look after ourselves-they are already doing it with our food and clothes-go buy an Australian pair of socks if you can find any. Frozen chips?-same place as the seeds N.L. We have given soooo much away already man. No more! Not our medicine. Some people are unable to take many prescription meds as well. I really feel for your situation and kinda think it ain't a pot problem. The Power in each and every one of us is untapped. It doesn't mean we're supposed handle these matters alone though. have you sought any counselling professionally. Don't dis it too quick. Just unloading to people who understand how to listen in a non-judgemental manner can be Spirit-elevating.

 

Like Hotrod13 man-let people buy over the counter xxxx or sati-bionic-ex or whatever, but leave the freedom to brew home brew and grow? Oh, brick-classic mate. wouldn't guess it but I was a member of the NRA moons ago. I had to chuckle when they took all the guns here and everybody just watched. It taught me much about the way people are thinking these days-not much.

 

sorry about the ramble jabez but if this goes through ya gotta count it as a setback for cannabis in Australia. that's the way they work. They make you think you are having a win and having fun whilst robbing you and stealing your soul at the same time....smiling all the way....and we think we're getting a miracle. Semper Vigilans

 

Peace always brother. v

[jaikai]

So what was the topic again?

 

Anyways, here`s my advice: Jabes, shut up, grow up and get on with life...

 

Sounds to me like you feel you`re rather educated, clever even... you`re not. Go back and read your posts in this thread alone, you`ll see that all you`ve done is try to justify your own actions (or lack of) and life choices by being a victim of Cannabis.

I`d suggest you put the bong down and seek professional help.

 

You state you have these issues, yet continue to post on a site dedicated to the growing and consumption of Cannabis...bit like an alcoholic chasing work in a brewery...or a claustraphobe wanting to get into underground mining. Then expecting policy and procedure to be re-written around you...

 

Frank Reynolds` analogy was quite apt given consideration. Would you be in the same situation if you used any other substance or had any other pastime of less social acceptance? Quite possibly, yes, I`d imagine... You hearin` me?

 

Im in a good mood this morn` so I wont berate you. We are a community here, at least we try to work that way. Everyone has an opinion, a story and a voice. Yours are as welcome to be tolerated, followed or disregarded as much as mine or the next bloke`s... As much as we don`t like to hear about how Cannabis fucked up your life, of which you are convinced that it did, we also care enough to try to help...just ask mate.

 

Just ask...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh yeah, is your mum named Jan?

 

JAIKAI

[jabez]

I find it curious and maybe even a little bit abhorrent how certain people are jumping to conclusions about how I perceive my own level of intelligence to be (insecurity maybe?). I never insinuated I was more intelligent than any member here, nor did I attempt to show any superiority over anyone. I seriously cannot for the life of me see how my posts could be perceived as me acting superior. In fact, to me my post come across as the exact opposite.

 

Admittedly, I did make a smart arse comment about it not being incredibly smart to just walk into court and plead not guilty, when you’ve been caught committing a criminal act red handed. But that was just an opinion, given in a tongue and cheek manner (though, frazz does have a good point about double checking to insure the coppers didn’t screw anything up).

 

If anyone actually cares to read the whole thread and more importantly my original post, they will see that it wasn’t even my intention to come here and have a heated debate about the pro’s and con’s about fucking sativex and splash my personal struggle with drug abuse over the thread.

 

All I did was answer the OP’s question and explained to him that the link he provided had absolutely nothing to do with sativex. I then made some contemptuous comment about wanting to get my hands on sativex, to which Mongy Man replied and insinuated (or at least I perceived he insinuated) that I’d officially be a ‘cannabis junkie’, if I attempted to obtain some sativex, which to be honest pissed me off. So I decided to aggressively challenge his stance.

 

That’s not to say I didn’t mean everything I said either. I just wouldn’t have bothered expressing my opinion on sativex, on a forum which clearly has a largely hippy mentality when it comes to pharmaceutical companies profiting from cannabis, until I was provoked (or at least I perceived it that way).

 

I truly and passionately believe cannabis should be legally & easily available in all its forms, to everyone who needs it or desires it. Whether it’s from growing your own or in a pharmaceutical form and whether it’s for recreation or for medical purposes.

 

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For the record, this is the OP’s post for those that are too lazy to go back and read it.

 

http://www.plosone.o.../journal.pone.0

 

Is this the study that someone was recruiting for in a thread recently?

 

Edit: Opinions on the study? Personal experiences in relation to their findings? Agree/Disagree?

 

Then my response to the OP’s post,

 

The article posted by the OP is actually a study, which attempted to prove the existence of cannabis withdrawal and to measure the significance of it. More or less just a bit of propaganda for the media to remind the public about how evil the cannabis plant is. I mean honestly, what a waste of money. All they have found is what all heavy cannabis smokers already know. If you suddenly abstain, then it usually gets a little rough for a few weeks. What a revelation!!! Anyway, the study your probably referring to, is giving cannabis users a drug (produced by GWPharma) called sativex to test it’s effectiveness for quitting the erb. Sativex is essentially just a cannabis tincture which is 50% THC & 50% CBD, from memory. Bring it on I say! I’d love to be able to go to the doctor and score some cannabis extract.

 

Now, the post that got under my skin and provoked me to pursue a debate.

 

That's exactly the study being referred to in this topic yes jabez. "The NCPIC Enthusiastically Embraces Medical Cannabis"

 

I'm surprised you would be happy to be officially labeled as a "cannabis junkie" though (or have I missed something here?) just so you could "go to the doctor and score some cannabis extract" as you put it.

 

Mongyman

 

I will also admit, that a lot of my erratic emotion might have something to do with the fact that I’ve just returned to victoria from travelling northern QLD, I’m living in a new area and don’t have any of our beloved herb to smoke and I really am kind of hanging out. Since I haven’t slept properly in weeks and am (almost) contemplating going to the doctors for the dreaded benzo’s. But extreme sleep derivation still seems a better option than that filthy shit.

 

I still stand by my overall opinion though and am done with this thread, fuck sativex for all I care atm.

 

Peace

[jahmin]

Yeah nobody likes getting stuck into.

Man all the points are here.

Some people have probs maintaining their relationship with mary.

In Australia Using a bong and spinning (mixing with tobacco) is really common. When I've met people in the US and EU they generally smoke differently and less... hectically, hehe. We smash cone after cone til our tolerance is thru the roof and we're pushing shit up hill to get stoned. So ya have a break for a week which last 2 days and then you smoke and actually get high again. Make up some rules like "no smoking before work in the morning" and stick to them for 2 weeks til shit gets outta hand again. repeat senario.

But eventually for me I realised the bong was the issue. An ounce a week thru a billy spun almost 50/50 for a couple years for me started causing random sharp pains in my chest during deeper inhalations of air. Got me worried went got a chest xray and whatnot. Had me freaked. Now most people go and point the finger at the weed. fark that its the tobacco!

I still love the way a spun cone stondes me but I limit myself to only smash em on occasions and hit the vaporiser most of the time.

 

Many people are really sick and could benefit from a 50/50 mix of thc and cbd in a massive way. A lot of those folks would be deterred from marijuana use because of the stigma attached to it. I reckon someone like that could be interested in and benefit from sativex. Even if only as a "gateway" to actual cannabis use.

 

Some people could try to use sativex to quit smoking cannabis but it won't handle their tobacco addiction and after 20 more years, when they get cancer and need to rely on some government financial assistance they get, "Yeah we know you've paid for your treatment 5 times over in taxes but you better have some health insurance buddy!"

[Cerberus]

Like anything, even though Cannabis is easy and relatively cheap to grow it doesn't mean if it was legal everyone would. Even if they want/need it.

 

So one alternative (and it's a big profit and lie spinning alternative) is Sativex.

 

So what does everyone think would be some other alternatives that don't involve the criminal element? Registered home growers who are regulated and allowed to turn their plants into hash oil and sell it to patients? What's your idea?

 

Whichever way we go it will always have to generate money for the government as well, mostly in the form of tax. Also, I would assume the Australian laws currently only allow qualified health professionals disperse anything classed as medicine so factor those into your ideas.

 

Another thing to consider, if they didn't market Sativex to "addicts" as a form of breaking Cannabis "addiction", would that change your stance on Sativex?