Ordering seeds vs bagseed

[k1net1k]

Hey guys, new grower here. Currently got 1 seed which popped a root out, so its now in some rockwool. hopefully will sprout in next day or whatever.

 

Just wondering about ordering seeds online rather than using bagseed. Is this even possible in OZ ?

 

I would like to get a lowryder strain for my particular area, but I can only get these imported, correct ?

[Luke Skywalker]

It is certainly possibly to get seeds into Australia, just follow some commonsense rules about such things and you should be good.

 

Bagseed by it's very nature is one of two things; A stray pollination by an unknown male elsewhere, in which case you have no idea what the "daddy" was like; or it's a self pollination by hermaphroditic plants.

 

Either way it's unlikely to be a superior plant, but there is always luck and chance with such things. Great way to learn though, teaches you much about the plant and the growing cycle.

 

Spend the hundred dollars on a decent mix of seeds or straight variety and you'll usually be very happy with the results all else going well of course.

 

GL with the grow and don't forget to share your cannaporn with us!

[Budman2012]

G'day K1net,

Good luck with the grow.

If you do a search or 2 around here you'll find a bunch of topics about ordering seeds and the like.

I'd recommend just having a go with some "bagseed" if you have it already ... as a new grower it's always good to have a few pratice runs to get a feel for how the plant likes to grow before ya start spending s and other effort ordering strains. That said , if you know what you want then go for it.

 

Haven't always heard the best things about the "Lowryder" ... if It's a low-profile plant your after there are other ways to do that ... if the auto-flower is a must ... well then I'm not sure as I've never grown one.

 

Anyway , Best of luck to ya ... and happy growing

Cheerz,

 

Budman

 

P.s. The derogatory term "bagseed" doesn't actually reflect the worthiness of many a seed that came from a bag. True story

(eww , Crab Grass!? ... Well , everyone would love it if it were called Fairy Grass!)

[BaronS]

I'll lean more towards Budman's assessment than Luke's, and suggest there is nothing fundamentally wrong with bagseed.

 

The difference between bagseed and a seeded 'strain' is predictability. That 'random' male that spoofed all over the 'great heads' you got in a bag is quite possibly a great performer, and even if not, the progeny from 'good heads' and a random male has a decent chance of being similar to the bag you got the seed from.

 

Wierd things to do with genetics also mean it may, in fact, be both more vigorous (hybrid vigor) and better. Don't expect this however.

 

With bagseed 'you gets what you gets'.

 

and if all else ain't opinion, this bit is. I expect bagseed to more likely be either male or female than hermie.

[k1net1k]

Thanks for the replies guys I couldnt find any threads that deal with the logistics of ordering seeds.

 

I am aware of the "unknown strain" problem. I know that the smoke the seeds came from was decent. I actually have 3 different bag seeds from several years ago. Will be interesting to see if I can recognise it a few years later.

 

I am planning a grow of 1 plant in a very confined space and for that reason it might be good to experiment anyway. If it turns out ok, then I can look to get some 'real' seeds.

 

Can anyone else suggest any strains that have a low height profile ? Vertical space is at a premium. Yield doesnt matter.

 

Australian customers can make an instant payment at any National Australia Bank by depositing cash into our account. Bank transfer details will be emailed to you once you confirm your order at the check out page. Cool, might be a good way to pay cash over the counter.

 

Im guessing the trick is to order to a PO Box rather than my street address. Apart from that, any tips ?

Edited November 30, 2009 by k1net1k

[jimbojones5678]

When buying seeds try to stick to seed banks that have a good reputation - there are multiple reviews available here on the forum.

If possible it pays to get your seeds sent to a mates address in case the boys in blue come knocking.

 

Good luck with your grow -- there is no shame in growing bagseed either,

 

Jimbo

[BaronS]

and actually, Luke, and others,

 

There's a lot of conflicting info around and I'm interested to hear opinion.

 

Yes, the majority of it states that self pollinated ends up with a greater percentage of hermies. Others suggest that spoof from a 'turned' plant that hits a (still) female plant gives feminised seed.

 

I have no personal experience nor much of an opinion about such. I was hoping that one of my 2 rosebed girls (bagseed) would put out balls and spoof over the other, didn't happen despite their long hard life. Even the clones I've been (pretty successfully) trying to kill in the small cupboard refuse to change.

 

I believe such change can be encouraged by giberelic acid, I'm not however gonna go that route until necessary, meanwhile I'm relying on stress and age to do same.

[SukonmiSkunk]

theres nuthing wrong at all with growing bag seed.. in fact.,.. i think the term bag seed is sort of a derogatory name..

 

ive grown many strains that would be classed as "bagseed'..

 

if youre smoking indoor grown weed.. theres a good chance that strain has self pollinated.. this isnt a bad thing at all.. with no males present.. theres a good chance the seeds will be female.. after all.. this is how seedbanks get their seed.. its no different.. a seed bank will deliberately stress a clone so it spits bananas.. they then painstakingly collect the pollen and pollinate another clone of the same strain.. this is the technique they use.. its a Soma technique for making female seeds.. and it works well.. so well infact that every seedbank that offers feminized seed uses this method...

 

now the difference with the indoor weed seeding itself.. altho the pollen hasnt been collected and pollinated an unstressed female.. its still very viable seed.. and ive used this technique for about 20 years.. and ive found absolutely NO problem with it..

some say by using this seed youre cementing the hermie gene into the strain.. this is BS.. its already there.. thats how the seed was produced in the first place.. some say.. yeah but the seeds will be predominately hermie.. thats BS too.. as most of the seeds ive given out and grown have been female.. sure you get males and hermies too.. but you also get that from seeds made with a male and female..

 

theres so much speculation about the genes being weakened and youll only get hermies.. but seriously.. in 20 years of doing this.. i havent seen it..

 

i think a lot of it is hype brought on by seedbanks to get you buy seeds rather than make them yourself.. if people really knew how easy it was to make seeds.. then the seed banks wouldnt making as much money would they..

 

for years ive gotten strains as clones.. and cloned it to death until its spat seeds.. ive then grown these seeds out to find a fresh female and started again.. ive done this with so many strains its not funny..

 

so to.. answer your question.. bagseed.. or bought seed... well to me.. if that seed has been pollinated indoors.. from a self seeding female clone.. then you got exactly the same genetics as the bud it came from.. to me.. this seed.. and a bought seed.. theres no difference.. oh.. except ones free.. the other isnt...

[Frazz]

there is no marketing campaign for bagseed

 

there is a huge marketing program behind commercial strains

 

some seedbanks sell seeds which result in plants being very, very similar to each other in most respects

 

'bagseed' as the name suggests is a completely unknown mix of genes

 

[UrbanCultivator]

I'll throw a name out and recommend Planetskunk. Stealthy and fast delivery.