Survey on quitting cannabis

[Fibrofeend]

Yeh ok.. you guys are all right!

I looked into this MOB for myself and they are not interested in anything about the benefits of cannabis use.

I think as said above they just need to get there surveys done so they can secure there next lump of

GOVT funding...

anyways i told them to stick there survey

[sally_r]

Hi. First, let me apologise to anyone I have offended -- that was not my intention. I also want to clarify a couple of things. The first is that I am not anti-cannabis (and neither are the people I work with). All I am interested in is making help available to people who WANT it, and there are plenty of them out there. That's all. I thought some readers of this forum may have had some experience with trying to quit cannabis, and may be able to help people who would like to quit and are struggling. That is the purpose of the study - to get information for people who want help.

 

Anyway, I will take your feedback as information, and next time I will try to better clarify my intentions. Thanks to those who emailed to do the survey.

 

Best wishes,

Sally

[MongyMan]

Hi. First, let me apologise to anyone I have offended -- that was not my intention.

 

Apologies accepted sally and thank you for your reply. Please understand that alot of the members here are victims of the 'war on drugs' that the organization you work for is a soldier of, making you one too. Many have been ostracized by general society simply for growing their own medicine at home and have had a gut full of the 'fake scientific' studies released by organizations such as the NCPIC that hamper genuine studies and discussion about cannabis. I hope you can understand and apreciate their frustrations.

 

I also want to clarify a couple of things. The first is that I am not anti-cannabis (and neither are the people I work with). All I am interested in is making help available to people who WANT it, and there are plenty of them out there. That's all. I thought some readers of this forum may have had some experience with trying to quit cannabis, and may be able to help people who would like to quit and are struggling.

 

I am glad to hear you are not sally. If this is true please take the time to listen to what some of the members here are trying to teach you about cannabis. Has it ever occured to you for eg. that if someone doesn't really want to quit using cannabis then the trouble with quiting you mention will occur. Why would they be telling you they want to quit if they don't really want to you ask? Well it's mostly because a court or family or employers or doctors or a criminal record from years ago for a joint and the list goes on and on make it so hard to live a normal life - after all you are a 'druggie' and must be treated as such - eventualy they come to the conclusion that quiting just might be better. Being a 'reformed druggie' doesn't change things much though and so they 'fail' as you put it. Blame prohibition. If you want to help these people fight prohibition. The other group are 'junkies' cannabis is just one of whatever drugs they can get. Asking us here how to help these people quit shows how out of touch your organization is. How the hell would we know? I think you might need to aproach the medical profesion for help there sally. Unfortunaly you will find the information available is mostly hearsay and anti the drugs themselves too much to be of any real use to you. Propper studies into why some people abuse different substances don't pay as well as studies into supporting 'the war on the drugs' themselves I spose.

 

As for the NCPIC not being anti drugs, take off the blindfold sally They have released enough rubbish 'studies' and 'research' reports over time that show otherwise. The anti-drug properganda spouted by the NCPIC is sickening to those that base what they know on facts rather than information gathered to fit a predetermined agenda.

 

 

That is the purpose of the study - to get information for people who want help.

 

If that is the case I wish you luck. From past experience though I'm still expecting to see the 'latest shocking new reseach into cannabis addiction' released by the NCPIC in 6 months or so.

 

Peace MongyMan

 

Ps. Did you know there have been studies that show cannabis can be useful in treating cocaine addiction sally?

[Morgaine]

I think it would be more beneficial to ask how many of us have our doctors ok and/or encouragement to use

cannabis?

 

Or do a real life study of these actual patients through dr's all over the country, anonymously for stats of course.

Dr's might give opinions/test case info etc if they are not in any danger of being "outed".

 

To just blanket ban something that clearly assists some people in the community, in a positive way, it's madness -

because it's too hard for insurance companies and politicians to take what they perceive as an unpopular risk. Ugg.

 

What a bunch of bullshit over a plant !

[luciddreaming]

No need to apologise. I doubt you've offended anyone.

But everything you said there is a lie. Please explain how the NCPIC.... the National Cannabis PREVENTION and Information Centre is not against Cannabis.

The only scientific thing I can see from your website is the word Cannabis, instead of 'marijuana', which is good.

But I see this also "it examines some of the cannabis-related media stories that have attracted attention each month".

That is not a way to conduct research, unless you're examining if it's the truth or not. Which the media NEVER is, with anything.

Look at the medical literature of the past month instead. You will see piles of evidence to show Cannabis does, in fact, have medical use. http://cannalink.org/granny/

 

Regarding whether you just wanted to help people who want to quit, I sincerely doubt that is true. Because everyone I've ever met has been able to stop smoking and, by and large, forget about it.

If you really wanted to help people.... Why would you be asking for "failed" attempts to quit?

No. You would be asking for SUCCESSFUL attempts.

I ain't apologizing for being skeptical. It is in our nature, how do you think we got past the Go-over-men-t lies in the first place?

[luciddreaming]

Furthermore, to be blunt, the NCPIC or any company like it is never going to accomplish ANYTHING as long as Cannabis is illegal. You know why? Because the Government lies about illegal drugs constantly. People have simply stopped believing them. Even if you proved that Cannabis, say, destroys your brain, nobody would believe it.

It has to be legal first, then you will be able to work on getting people to stop, because people won't see the Government as interfering in research anymore.

Just like we have done with tobacco, a legal drug, we can do with Cannabis.... once it becomes legal too.

Why don't you try doing a study on that? People's perceptions towards Cannabis studies.

Hell of a lot more useful.

 

And from your website.

Courier Mail: April 25, 2009

 

This extract from a book ‘Strange Places’, written by Will Elliot, describes his cannabis-use while a student at university and its life-changing effect on his mental health. He dropped out of a law degree, consumed increasing amounts of cannabis and went on to develop schizophrenia. After struggling with side-effects of his anti-psychotic medication such as extreme fatigue, being hospitalised after an acute episode of psychosis, changing to a medication with less severe side-effects, going through a period of heavy alcohol use and struggling to come to terms with living with his condition, Elliot began writing and has rebuilt his life. His book is set to be published in late April.

 

Nice, classic 'textbook' bullshit story with no substance nor scientific fact in sight. I can guarantee 100% that he was going to get schizophrenia anyway. How? http://www.library.nhs.uk/mentalHealth/Vie...6&tabID=289

http://www.cannabis-med.org/studies/ww_en_...ow.php?s_id=171

Edited June 4, 2009 by luciddreaming

[bufo marinus]

She responded eh.

Your the first one to respond to all the shit thrown from anyone who posts these crappy studies so far sally, you got more nuts than blokes you work with, hehe.

 

People smoke Cannabis for many reasons, but mostly because it makes them feel good, wow go figure

It's when they are bullied into giving up by someone else, mum, dad, asshole girlfriend/boyfriend, cops, court order, employer, do gooder deadshits etc etc that the problems start, just like Mongy said.

Do you really want to know the best way to stop? really? and I'm not bullshitting, have the government re-legalise Cannabis and simply allow people to smoke. Don't bash them over the head with fines or even worse, prison or fill their heads full of mumbo jumbo shit, just allow them to smoke until they don't feel like smoking anymore. This is how people stop smoking cigarettes ffs, they smoke until they WANT to stop, the best thing about Cannabis is it actually helps people deal with things, get over them, and move on, people do smoke less when they feel good again and feel good about themselves, it's a great gift from whatever god created the universe, how else could we have an endocannabinoid system in our bodies that is receptive to the cannabinoids found in Cannabis?

 

 

PS all that shit I sprouted in the earlier posts,.................................................... I meant it

[freddie]

Thanks for responding sally r.

 

I will do the survey and send the voucher to L&L. I have a friend who recently stopped (3 months ago) so I will ask him.

 

Most of the responses here regarding NCPIC press releases are spot on; especially lucids Will Elliot one. Will Elliot was a cannabis smoker who became schizophrenic. It does not follow that there was a causal effect? As researchers the NCPIC would be well aware of this yet allow such press releases?

 

I wish the NCPIC could become a proper cannabis research centre and explore the benefits and dangers of cannabis. It could provide harm minimisation strategies and research, medical cannabis research, as well as advice and research for those who did want to quit. How about research to cut down use or minimise harm? I wish the NCPIC would change its name and mission statement. Just fantasising.

 

Interesting that you and your collegues are not anti cannabis?

 

cheers.

[luciddreaming]

I will do it too. I've thought about it. They're gonna get people anyway, so screw it.

[MongyMan]

All I am interested in is making help available to people who WANT it, and there are plenty of them out there.

 

Having had a bit of time to fully digest your last post sally, something still puzzles me. Why did you use capitals for the word WANT in the above quote? I'm left feeling that you have made a personal judgment and classed those that WANT to quit as different to those that don't WANT to. One could fairly assume that you have taken a condescending attitude to those that don't WANT to quit. They are 'druggies' right? Are those who don't WANT to quit not worthy of your 'help'? I would be happy if you could clarify this point for me sally.

 

Peace MongyMan