Fluoride , THE TRUTH ABOUT WATER , Documentary

[Thirstyman88]

I read too that you absorb quite a bit in a hot shower due to pores opening up, not sure how to avoid that

[cardrona]

And swimming pools in summer

 

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[itchybromusic]

I read too that you absorb quite a bit in a hot shower due to pores opening up, not sure how to avoid that

never tried them but a shower filter or 

rain water collection & conversion , need to have a read about it & the space to have a large enough tank , which i don't

or only shower once a month , 

 

i read a guy stopped showering & only used EM-1 to wash himself , i think i'd rather a hot shower

than washing myself with beneficial microorganisms , although Fluoride or benne's ?????

 

there's all sorts of stuff out there , i've seen a guy either warming his house with heated water or heating water for the shower , i can't remember 

but he was doing it via running pipes though a large compost bin , the heat of the composting process was enough to heat the water in the pipes  

[itchybromusic]

just thought i should put this up from toxipedia , re Fluoride http://www.toxipedia.org/display/toxipedia/Fluoride

 

Fluoride is man made but also naturally occurring in the from of Calcium Fluoride 

 

Fluoride

updated by Steven Gilbert (Jan 25, 2017)

 

 

Fluoride is the ionic form of Fluorine. Some common fluoride compounds are hexafluoric acid, sodium fluoride, and calcium fluoride.

 

Uses

Although fluoride naturally exists as calcium fluoride (CaF ₂), other fluoride complexes derived from man-made resources increase

environmental fluoride levels and our own exposure to fluoride. Fluoride is used often in Pesticides and dentistry, and is added to

municipal water supplies to prevent cavities in the community.

 

Teeth are generally composed of hydroxyapatite and carbonated hydroxyapatite; when fluoride is present, fluorapatite is created.

Topical fluoride encourages the formation of fluorapatite, which is beneficial because it is more resistant to dissolution by acids

(demineralization). However, dental fluorosis, a mottling or pitting of teeth, occurs in areas with exposure levels greater than 1 ppm

(part per million). Read more about fluorosis in the Health Effects section below.

 

Current commercial toothpaste is fortified with sodium monofluorophosphate or sodium fluoride. Fluoride toothpaste and water

fluoridation have been touted by some health organizations as major contributors to dental caries reduction in the United States

and arguably a public health success. 

Several fluoridation additives are used in treating drinking water in the United States, the most common of which are, in order,

hexafluorosilicic acid (H ₂ SiF ₆), sodium fluoride (NaF), and sodium hexafluorosilicic acid (Na ₂ SiF ₆). Sources of fluoridating

agents can be found naturally in volcanic ash and as fluorite and apatite in geological mineral deposits (#Urbansky, 2002).

While small-scale water treatment utilities use NaF, larger ones operate with high quantities of fluorosilicates, whose lowered

costs make up for its greater handling expenses (#Urbansky, 2002). The demand for fluoride additives benefits companies that

can market their waste products as fluoridating agents to water utilities. Industries such as US Steel, DuPont, Alcoa, Allied Chemical,

and the Florida phosphate fertilizer industry all profit from selling fluoride byproducts they have generated (#Kauffman, 2005). 

Various other forms of organic and inorganic fluoride complexes such as acetyl fluoride (CHCOF) and liquid hydrofluoric acid i.e.

hydrogen fluoride gas (HF) can increase fluoride in water, too. Care should be taken when investigating potential fluoride sources,

however, as not all chemical substances containing the element fluorine necessarily yield fluoride ions. Teflon polymer is composed

of -CF ₂ -, whose chemical structure offers great stability and so does not readily produce fluoride ions (#Kauffman, 2005).

Fluorine-containing chemical groups incorporated into drugs serve the purpose of slowing drug metabolization in the body (#Kauffman, 2005).

The likelihood of fluoride contribution from fluorine in drugs is debatable. Synthetic and natural substances with fluorine or fluoride

display a variety of chemical structures, which affect the chemical properties of each substances and thus, the degree to which the

substances act as fluoride-releasing agents.

 

Pharmacology and Metabolism

Fluoride ions convert to hydrofluoric acid in the gut. Around 50% of the fluoride is excreted in urine while a minute amount is

excreted through saliva and sweat. The half life of these ions is short (1-5 hours). 

Fluoride accumulates in people most often if they have impaired kidney function. The ions settle in the bones and teeth (#Limeback and Gingrich, 2007).

Exposure Drinking Water's Contribution to US Population's Fluoride Exposure

 

Natural Sources (water naturally contains fluoride): 1.4 million people exposed at 2.0-3.9 mg/L 

•      57% - 90% for average individual
•      86% - 96% for high-water-intake individual

and 200,000 people exposed at  ≥ 4mg/L

•      72% - 94% for average individual
•      92% - 98% for high-water intake individual
   

Artificial Sources (water fluoridated by water utilities): 162 million people exposed at 0.7-1.2 mg/L (Public Health Service recommendation*)

•     41% - 83% for average individual
•     75% - 91% for high-water-intake individual

*Note: the PHS revised its recommendation to a set level of 0.7 mg/L in April 2015 (#US Department of Health & Human Services, 2015).

The Centers for Disease Control's My Water's Fluoride site allows individuals to find out the fluoride level of drinking water in their community.

Individual water utilities also provide information on fluoride levels.

Fluoridated Water Usage Around the World

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Description: The extent of fluoridated water usage around the world. Colors indicate the percentage of population in each country that

receives fluoridated water, where the fluoridation is to levels recommended for preventing tooth decay. This includes both artificially and

naturally fluoridated water.

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Date: 15 March 2009

 

Source: The data for this map are taken from Table 31 (pp. 35–6) of:

• The British Fluoridation Society; The UK Public Health Association; The British Dental Association; The Faculty of Public Health (2004) "The extent of water fluoridation" in One in a Million: The facts about water fluoridation (2^nd ed.), pp. 55–80 ISBN: 095476840X.

The outline for this map was taken from File:BlankMap-World6, compact.svg, a public-domain work.

 

Health Effects

The health effects of fluoride are contentious. It has generally been thought that small levels of Fluoride (0.7 - 1.2 ppm in drinking water for example)

increase bone density and increase calcium fluorapatite in teeth which is generally thought to lead to fewer cavities. Fluoride regulation in drinking

water supplies at the .7 - 1.2 ppm level is recommended still by the American Dental Association and the World Health Organization. But, many are

beginning to believe that chronic fluoride exposure can lead to liver damage, kidney damage, and Dental Fluorosis among other things. Amidst these

negative findings, the American Academy of Allergy and Immunology, the American Academy of Diabetes, the American Cancer Society, the American

Diabetes Association, the American Nurses Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the National Kidney Foundation, and the Society of Toxicology

have discounted fluoride as a beneficial additive and no longer support its use (#Kauffman, 2005). Additionally there is an ethical argument surrounding

city officials adding fluoride to drinking water supplies, which exposes people to fluoride without their consent. 

Fluoride is one of the most highly toxic substances present in our environment today. There are many different levels of toxicity: 

Acute
In areas where fluoride compounds are naturally elevated in the drinking water, dental fluorosis is common (#Limeback and Gingerich, 2007). 

Exposure levels of 1-5 mg/kg body weight can create acute fluoride toxicity symptoms such as nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, abdominal pain, and in

rare cases cardiac arrhythmias and death (#Fallon, 2006). Acute ingestion of fluoride can be fatal. Skin or eye contact with gaseous fluoride results

in irritation of the skin or eyes. 

Chronic
Fluoride is everywhere. It is present as a mineral and is ubiquitously present in natural water sources throughout the world. It is also added to

toothpaste to prevent cavities and decay. The most common problem associated with fluoride exposure is fluorosis. 

Dental fluorosis occurs in areas with a fluoride exposure level higher than 1.0 ppm (#Fallon, 2006). Fluoride intake can cause mild symptoms such

as white, opaque mottling of teeth and enamel wear. At higher levels of exposure, severe dental fluorosis occurs with pronounced brown or black

discoloration and pitting of teeth. Staining only happens with developing teeth below the gum line. As such, any noticeable characteristic of dental

fluorosis only indicates the fluoride exposure level an individual has had up to age 8-10 (#Meenakshi, 2006). Dental fluorosis symptoms, in effect,

are more of a time capsule rather than a present indicator of fluoride exposure and may fail to determine alone whether adults currently suffer

from excessive fluoride intake. Additionally, although fluoride fosters bone formation, the new bones develop abnormally (#Fallon, 2006). 

Skeletal fluorosis happens at the advanced stage of fluorosis. Fluoride deposits in the joints of the neck, knees, pelvic and shoulder bones and

hinders movement. In the early stages, back stiffness, burning sensations, tingling or prickling, and muscle weakness arise and irregular calcium

deposits show up in ligaments and bones. Advanced skeletal fluorosis creates osteoporosis, growth of bony spikes at the joint, vertebral fusion,

and even osteosarcoma (bone cancer). Damage to the entire musculoskeletal and nervous systems marks the end stage of advanced fluorosis (#Meenakshi, 2006). 

Overexposure to fluoride affects more than just bone and teeth. It can cause physical damage to human physiology by lowering hemoglobin count,

distorting red blood cell shape, suppressing immunity, destroying enzymes, and disrupting the normal mechanisms of the excretory, digestive, and

respiratory systems (#Meenakshi, 2006). Children who drank water with fluoride levels exceeding 2.0 mg/L had kidney and liver function damage,

the latter independent of dental fluorosis (#Xiong et al., 2007). Excessive fluoride intake can also cause mental harm in the forms of depression,

nervousness and symptoms similar to those of Alzheimer's disease as well as reproductive harm such as male sterility, stillbirth, and abortion (#Meenakshi, 2006).

Vulnerable Populations

According to the National Academy of Sciences' (NAS) 2006 report Fluoride in Drinking Water: A Scientific Review of EPA's Standards, susceptible

subpopulations of people fall into these categories: those who are exposed to larger amounts of fluoride (such as people who consume large amounts

of water or are exposed occupationally), those who may retain more fluoride in their bodies (particularly people with renal disease), and those who are

especially susceptible to its effects. As stated in the report, "children are vulnerable for developing enamel fluorosis, because the condition occurs only

when there is exposure while teeth are being formed (the pre-eruption stages). Thus, children up to the age of 8 are the susceptible subpopulation of

concern for that end point. The elderly are another population of concern because of their long-term accumulation of fluoride into their bones. There

are also medical conditions that can make people more susceptible to the effects of fluoride."

The EPA's Questions and Answers on Fluoride states: "Based on the data evaluated in this risk assessment, EPA concludes that it is likely that some

children 8 and younger are exposed to too much fluoride at least occasionally while their teeth are forming because of their high fluid intake relative

to their body weight and/or because of high natural levels of fluoride in their local drinking water. The impact of overexposure on the risk for pitting

of enamel in one or more teeth depends on the frequency and duration of the overexposures."

 

Precautions

Charcoal-based water filters and boiling water do not remove fluoride from water (#EPA, 2011). Several possible options are available for the removal

of fluoride from water, including cartridges with an activated alumina adsorbent, reverse osmosis, and distillation. Of the three, distillation is the best

micro-scale method of fluoride removal based on affordability (#Kauffman, 2005).

For some tips on how to reduce your daily fluoride intake, visit 10 Steps to Cutting Back on Fluoride.

 

Regulation

Within the United States, drinking water regulation of fluoride levels is set by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA)

at 4 mg/L, or 4ppm, as the maximum contaminant level (MCL), established after review of a 1993 report from the National

Research Council (#EPA, #Urbansky, 2002). The Safe Drinking Water Act, requiring the EPA to set drinking water standards,

includes the Maximum Contaminant Level Goal of permitting no carcinogens in the U.S. water supply. Although some studies

point to fluoride as a possible carcinogen (find sources here), the conclusion from a 1990 National Toxicology Program sodium

fluoride study that once proved fluoride's carcinogenicity was revised to suggest only that the study yielded arguable

evidence, effectively allowing fluoride to remain a legitimate water additive (#Kauffman, 2005).

The Public Health Service has made recommendations on concentrations of fluoride in drinking water. The current final

recommendation from April 2015 is a level of 0.7ppm; the previous recommendation issued in 1962 was a range between 0.7

and 1.2 ppm. (#US Department of Health & Human Services, 2015)

The FDA oversees the fluoride levels in bottled water and beverages and sets the acceptable range at 1.4-2.4 ppm (determined by

the annual average maximum daily air temperature) (#US FDA, 2006). Alongside FDA regulation, the Secretary of Health and Human

Services is responsible for creating another bottled water standard that echoes EPA drinking water regulation (#Urbansky, 2002). 

No federal agency exists to control drinking water additives. Instead, the National Sanitation Foundation certifies chemicals that add

less than 10% of the MCL of any drinking water substance under EPA regulation as an acceptable water additive. State and local authorities

enforce either NSF-certification or their own certification standards to all drinking water additives (#Urbansky, 2002).

 

History

1900s 
Observation made that children with mottled teeth (i.e. fluorosis) in various U.S. regions have fewer cavities.

1939

First publication printed recommending the addition of fluoride to drinking water to improve oral health at 1 ppm

level, by Gerald J. Cox.

 

1940s 
Fluoride-waste producing companies permitted to add NaF to drinking water as method of tooth decay prevention.

Studies to support their justification were later discredited because they did not track long-term exposure. 

Jan 25, 1945 
According to the American Dental Association (ADA), Grand Rapids, Michigan began to add fluoride to the drinking

water on January 25, 1945, in an effort to prevent tooth decay.

1973 
Discovery of carcinogen in the water of New Orleans and the Ohio River Valley propelled discussion of water safety in Congress (#Raucher, 1996). 

1974 
Safe Drinking Water Act passed, broadening scope of water safety regulation by going beyond past regulations'

focus on protection against communicable diseases and addressing all unsafe water contaminants (#Raucher, 1996).

1975

EPA set the Maximum Contaminant Level (MCL) for fluoride at 1.4-2.4 ppm. 

1980 
United States manufacturers of infant formula voluntarily reduced fluoride content in their processing water to ~0.5-0.37 ppm (#Milgram & Reisine, 2000). 

1981-1986 
Reagan administration stopped further federal drinking water regulation under development. (#Raucher, 1996). 

1985 
EPA increased the Maximum Contaminant Level (MCL) for fluoride to 4 ppm. 

1986 
Safe Drinking Water Act Amendment revived SDWA powers and set timeline for contaminant review and future regulations of additional contaminants. (#Raucher, 1996). 

1992 
134 million - number of people living in communities with fluoridated water supplies
10.5 million - number of people with naturally fluoridated water
62% - percentage of American population with water containing fluoride (#Milgram & Reisine, 2000)

 

1993
National Research Council Report on Health Effects of Ingested Fluoride released, stating that the EPA's 4ppm drinking water standard is appropriate.

 

2006
The American Dental Association and Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) began recommending that infant

formula for babies 0 through 12 months be prepared with fluoride-free or low-fluoride water, to reduce the risk of fluorosis.

The National Academy of Sciences (NAS) produced Fluoride in Drinking Water: A Scientific Review of EPA's Standards, which

reviewed the appropriateness of EPA’s 4 ppm maximum contaminant level goal (MCLG). The NAS report states that

“the consistency of the results appears significant enough to warrant additional research on the effects of fluoride on intelligence”

and recommends that the EPA update the risk assessment of fluoride to include new data on health risks, better estimates of

total exposure from sources in addition to drinking water, and an assessment of the potential neurobehavioral effects of fluoride.

[Vape]

Tap water is not for drinking. . Our water tastes like a swimming pool. .

I drink RO water. I challenge anyone to stop drinking water from the tap.. you think differently in 6 months . Trust me.

 

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[Indycar]

I know bugger all about RO water, but wouldn't the process strip out some of the good minerals, etc?

 

Fortunately I've been on tank water (rain) for some years. I can't say I can smell a glass of fluoridated water at ten paces, but I sure can smell a glass of chlorinated water at that distance.

[itchybromusic]

Tap water is not for drinking. . Our water tastes like a swimming pool. .

I drink RO water. I challenge anyone to stop drinking water from the tap.. you think differently in 6 months . Trust me.

 

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I know bugger all about RO water, but wouldn't the process strip out some of the good minerals, etc?

 

Fortunately I've been on tank water (rain) for some years. I can't say I can smell a glass of fluoridated water at ten paces, but I sure can smell a glass of chlorinated water at that distance.

yeah it does strip the minerals & makes the water slightly acidic , some call RO dead water 

i use a RO system for the garden , with a alkalizer & mineralizer filters added

 

i get spring water delivered for drinking & cooking with  

[Thirstyman88]

Tap water is not for drinking. . Our water tastes like a swimming pool. .

I drink RO water. I challenge anyone to stop drinking water from the tap.. you think differently in 6 months . Trust me.

 

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I am about to try just that!

[Thirstyman88]

I know bugger all about RO water, but wouldn't the process strip out some of the good minerals, etc?

 

Fortunately I've been on tank water (rain) for some years. I can't say I can smell a glass of fluoridated water at ten paces, but I sure can smell a glass of chlorinated water at that distance.

Would be interesting to still get it tested for heavy metals etc. seeing as shit is being sprayed in the sky's 24/7 and just general pollution in our environment could still be getting in there.

[itchybromusic]

pollution in our environment could still be getting in there.

agree , very fucking hard to get away from all sorts of crap when you start looking