phillips 315w LEC with D-Papillon reflector

[Darkblue]

Where is the best place to get a 4 x 315W's plus 4 good ballasts for them now? 

 

Let us know please guys in case there's a place other than Advance...

 

Excellent post above Frank, won't quote it again ...

 

You can get reasonably priced ballasts for the 315w from China, same as being sold in US on ebay. www.lumenhort.com/ - talk to Dennis (his English is not the best but he's on the same page for full spectrum lighting).

 

Don't know about the bulbs, China doesn't have the tech for them yet I am told, US or (who is) Advance?

[forgetiwashere]

Fantastic info on CMH and resin production going on here, Thank you Frank and Forgetiwashere

 

Finding that line between price/power and quality/yield is always a comprimise that we try to find a sweet spot for

 

Interesting how you spoke of appearance in wet weight Frank, Ive seen and heard these same observations from growers who use mixed spectrum's in the optimal ways.

 

Im still a little on the fence with the SolisTek 10K bulb... my experience was that it ripened just too damn quickly. Followed Solis Tek's recommendations with the 4x bulbs available.

 

Their 2K is fantastic as a HPS, and the 6K is also probably the most impressive MH Ive seen in that K.

 

The 4K did extremely well at reducing stretch at the beginning of stretch, but the 10K just made everything go from cloudy to amber in less than 72 hours. Undesirable for me, but does show how powerful this bulb is. Running this for the last 3 weeks seems impossible to me?

 

Bringing the 4K in again on the end of flower seems more viable, but yet to get back to Solis Teks again... still in Gavita land at the moment.

 

Forgetiwashere, your idea of 4x 315w in a 2.0x2.0 tent I think would work out very well indeed (and for 1400w power!)

 

For me the factor that plays through my head more so now is bulb replacement over consumption of power.

 

Great stuff guys, how is that nice slooooow dry coming Forgetiwashere?

 

Peace!

 

the dry is going to take a long time im guessing about 3 weeks, plus i am still to chop 3 of the girls down i just felt they needed a little longer.

 

i can say this though, i have been smoking some sample nugg's and i think dream beaver is some of the most potent weed on the planet. go snatch up a pack today.

 

You're only supposed to use the 10k lamp in the last 1-2 weeks of flowering.

 

yeah i know that i must have been mistaken but i thought frank was suggesting to run it right through flower to supplement resin production throughout. probably my bad i am a stoner after all

 

Gents,

 

I hear what you say forget, your words ring truth with me so I'm willing to try it out.  May also add in a 600W Solis in the dead-center of the room in the last 3-4weeks of flower for that extra UV. 

 

Where is the best place to get a 4 x 315W's plus 4 good ballasts for them now? 

 

Let us know please guys in case there's a place other than Advance... will order OS if need be, have a good mate who owns a hydro store who orders in for me whenever need be.

 

Good vibes here fellas, well done.

 

i dont know who the best people to get them through are. i just bought mine at the local hydro store and stupidly thought they would be readily available everywhere but i guess not yet. soon though im sure

[FrankWills]

Excellent post above Frank, won't quote it again ...

 

You can get reasonably priced ballasts for the 315w from China, same as being sold in US on ebay. www.lumenhort.com/ - talk to Dennis (his English is not the best but he's on the same page for full spectrum lighting).

 

Don't know about the bulbs, China doesn't have the tech for them yet I am told, US or (who is) Advance?

 

My blue Db, meant to say ALD, the Australian mob.

 

Dennis seems a little obscure in the specs dept of his wares.  His bulbs/lamps lack too much data for me to be able to approximate their respective performance capabilities. 

 

 

yeah i know that i must have been mistaken but i thought frank was suggesting to run it right through flower to supplement resin production throughout. probably my bad i am a stoner after all

 

 

I firstly suggested running it together with the Full Nova, from scratch to finish.  If using the 315's, I would like to run it in the last 3-4 weeks of flower only, to augament realization of the resin, and wrap up the flowering finish.

 

 

i dont know who the best people to get them through are. i just bought mine at the local hydro store and stupidly thought they would be readily available everywhere but i guess not yet. soon though im sure

 

Which one do you specifically have/use:

 

www.isearch.philips.com/search/search?q=CDM-TMW+Elite+315W%2F930&sid=header&language=en&country=aa&sector=LI

 

Have you seen this:

 

http://www.aldled.com.au/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=339

 

http://www.aldled.com.au/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=408

 

 

Another interesting thing...

 

The more I look at the spectrual outputs of the Nova and 315w'er, the more the Nova looks like a upgraded-lumped up version of the 315.  I may end up getting another 2x2 tent and running BOTH configurations all by themselves.  Going by the specs & graphs, the luminous output of both lamps (4ooW nova & 315W'er) is VERY similar, 30,000 odd lumens each.   Which means their Relative Intensity outputs (per eaches spectral graph) can be deamed to be identically represented on the vertical axis of each graph (RI), i.e., 1:1 scale... which confirms what I said, i.e., the Nova (4ooW'er) looks like a upgraded-lumped up version of the 315.  It would not surprise me if running 4 x 4ooW Novas all by themselves would do an even better job than the 4 x 315'ers.  The sooner I get my hands on BOTH, the sooner I'll know.

 

And another good thing about the Nova 400W'er... it has THREE times the life of the 600 & 1000W'er.

 

http://www.sunmastergrowlamps.com/SunmasterFullNova6000K.htm

[Darkblue]

 

Dennis seems a little obscure in the specs dept of his wares.  His bulbs/lamps lack too much data for me to be able to approximate their respective performance capabilities. 

 

 

I didn't suggest he had bulbs you'd be interested in. Thing is he knows what's up and if you can see behind the mask you will find he is associated with Welthink.com who make the ballast for the 315w Philips in Ch. But it is China, that does deter some ...

[ZEN2U]

Here are the bulbs that I've been looking for in Australia withour success until now. Thank you FW

 

http://www.aldled.com.au/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=341

[FrankWills]

Here are the bulbs that I've been looking for in Australia withour success until now. Thank you FW

 

http://www.aldled.com.au/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=341

 

Tell me Zen...

 

What is the reason you prefer that particular model, and how does it differ to these:

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/PHILIPS-MASTERCOLOUR-CDM-TMW-ELITE-MW-315-T9-930-U-E-C182-E-/151306124598?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item233a8c3d36#shpCntId

 

I was about to place an order for 12 of those till I saw your post.

 

Please let me know the difference, and if it's significant for our purpose.

I didn't suggest he had bulbs you'd be interested in. Thing is he knows what's up and if you can see behind the mask you will find he is associated with Welthink.com who make the ballast for the 315w Philips in Ch. But it is China, that does deter some ...

 

I see, fair enough.

Edited May 29, 2014 by FrankWills

[FrankWills]

Just had another close look at those lamps you like Zen.  If I'm not mistaken, they were and are the replacement for the dicontinued 400Watter?  IOW, they produce the best spectrual output of that existing entire range.

 

Just as well I didn't order the other ones... I think.

 

Let me know if you can.

Edited May 29, 2014 by FrankWills

[ZEN2U]

You are right the difference is in the spectrum and is the replacement for the dead 400W from what I have heard, as soon as you found an outlet for the 930, I looked straight away for the 942. Thank you again.

 

If you look back aways, you will find a link that I put up that leads to the Welthink Ballasts. Seems there are 9 on the page.

Edited May 29, 2014 by ZEN2U

[FrankWills]

OK, been doing more reading, and apologies in advance if I repeat info which has already been posted.  I just enjoy doing the research for myself, irradicates continuing mistakes made by others whose info you take for granted as being correct, and also aids in learning more things that have not been covered.  Due diligence etc.

It seems there are 2 different types/groups of this 315, the T9 & T12 (agro), designated as a 930 & 942 in their model number's syntax, and the bases of the 2 groups is also different, PGZ18 & PGZX18 resepctively.

It seems the T9 group has only a single sleeve envelope, and the T12 has an additional inner sleeve making the lamp a "protected" one.  Seems these lamps can be prone to cracking their glass sleeves and allowing purported dangerous amount of UV to escape.  So I think they designed the T12 (double sleeved) for those wanting to run the lamps in an open refelctor, whereby if theT9's do crack their sleeve, the reflector's glass seal maintains the UV protection.

I feel the most significant thing about the 2 types with respect to our purpose, is that the double-sleeved/jacket T12's have (a) an enhanced RED spectrum coupled with a dimished Blue/UV, and (the T9 has a 3K (3100) light temperature and T12 4.2K (4200), and ( c ) the T9's have a 50% longer life coupled with around 15% MORE luman output... mainly due to having ONE less sleeve/jacket for the light to pass through and be filtered out more.

My main concern though would be the REDUCED UV spectrum of the enhanced RED spectrum T12's.  This would make the T12 produce a slightly larger volume of flowers, but not necessarily MORE weight of resined flowers, at the cost of having LESS ACTIVATED resin.  

So again, it's up to the individual as to how they prefer their produce, but I do feel the T12's may make ones' plot look slightly heftier, but when dried and weighed, they may be in for a bit of a let-down when compared to the same grow under T9's.

 

Thanks Zen, I'll go have a look for those links, and I will touch bases with Dennis in China, and then compare.

Anyone got anything to add or subtract from all that, please don't hesitate.

Edited May 29, 2014 by FrankWills

[FrankWills]

Got the link Zen, thanks.

 

This was the Advance company I mistakenly mentioned earlier:

 

http://www.advancedtechlighting.com/cdmed18.htm

 

http://www.advancedtechlighting.com/71A8453.htm