Dutch Masters Gold (flower)

[everest]

few weeks , i should be able to do a rap on the gold , and it looks promising .

 

ev

[bloodshot_eyes]

few weeks , i should be able to do a rap on the gold , and it looks promising .

 

ev

 

Cool man, look forward to the reading

[Pam]

I just got the Dm Gold parts A&B for both veg and flower (4 bottles) And I haven't tried them yet( plants still too young), but the man at the shop said that they are complete, and that theres no need to add anything else. I'll have to ask him if I need the liquid light next time I go in.

 

So I'm very interested in this subject as well... If the commercial growers here use it then it must be the best stuff.

[bloodshot_eyes]

Dutchmaster is based locally where I live too. The hydro shops I've had a look in around my area are pretty well stocked with the gold at the moment. Must be getting popular.

[godonacid]

just finnished my first grow on gold and im going back to advanced nutrients, they only got half the chunk im used to, they have a lot more sugar on them but are not as potent as my last grows, so no more dutch master for me, I had always heard bad things about DM untill gold but in my opinion not much has changed.

[Bungee]

I started using it late last year, the whole lot in a program as DM recommends on their site using their calculator. Personally, I'm sold. My yield has improved by about 20%, which is nice. Flowering time has increased by several days, not a drama there, just have to keep an eye on the trichs to see when it's ready. DM Gold is also currently the only 100% organic nute range on the market, and the difference in flavour is noticeable.

 

I'm using Gold Grow & Bloom, Max Grow & Flower, Silica, Zone, Liquid Light and Penetrator. The DM website has a funky little calculator on it, you punch in how big your tank is and how long your cycle is and it will tell you the target EC for each week to get the most out of the nutes (along with measured volumes if your water is good).

 

** DON'T follow their instructions for cuttings or use their cuttings products. They're no good. Stick to what you're doing now.

 

From what I could tell from DMs product docco, the whole series of products is designed to be used together (yes, that big list) and if you don't, the Gold nutes by themselves at the strength DM recommends will be too strong for your plants to deal with. Using all that stuff costs but you don't need to add anything else and you shouldn't either. When I added up the cost of my previous nutes + additives it was almost as much as the DM stuff so the cost is not really that big for me.

 

But when you grow your weed right through grow and bloom using organic nutes, pluck your heads when the trichs are just right, and smoke that shit, you'll know why you went to all the effort. No chemical flavour, just lovely tasting weed and a wonderful high.

[godonacid]

DM Gold is also currently the only 100% organic nute range on the market, and the difference in flavour is noticeable.

 

just quickly, dm gold is a long way from organic, if you look on the bottle it says hybrid organic, not organic. Basically it means that some of what is in the bottle is organic but not everything.

 

have a look at canna organic, or advanced nutrients organic (a bit hard to get in this country) or one of the other 2 dozen true organic nutes available.

 

also this still bothers me a little about the gold.

Caution: the application of fertilising material that contains molybdenum may result in forage crops containing levels of molybdenum which are toxic to rudimentary animals.

 

but i guess that only bothers me because i like to cook with some of my scrap

 

from wikipedia

 

The average daily intake of molybdenum is .3 mg. Daily intake above .4 mg can be toxic. Molybdenum deficiency, caused by less than .05 mg/day, can cause stunted growth, reduced appetite, and impaired reproduction. Sodium tungstate is a competitive inhibitor of molybdenum. Dietary tungsten reduces the concentration of molybdenum in tissues.

 

im probably just being stupid as the levels are fairly low, but then so is the toxic dose and a big batch of cookies dont last long.

 

my other complaint about this stuff has been the difficulty in manicuring compared to other nutes (mainly advanced nutrients as thats what i have been using) with the gold i am getting heaps more sugar on the leaves but i am getting 3-5x the amount of leaf from around the buds, a phenomenal amount of crystal laden leaf but the hash made from it has lacked the expected potency any how thats my complaint

 

no hang on one more, DM say they give you a complete analysis of what is in the bottles and in their words "unlike other company's", so why wont they tell me what is in liquid light. on he bottle it has half of what it is derived from but they wont tell me what the other half is, i know for a fact there are amino acids and carbohydrates in liquid light but DM wont tell me what or what they are derived from. Industry secret you may say, well advanced nutrients where more than happy to provide me with a list of the particular aminos and carbohydrates that are in their products.

 

same with penetrator, the bottle says 0.002% ammonia nitrogen and 0.004 nitrate nitrogen so what is the other 99.994%.

All things said and done i dont give a shit about what is in it but considering they say we tell you exactly what is in our bottles unlike other company's just sort of shits me.

 

and i hate their clinical proof they quote every 30 secconds.

from

http://www.dutchmaster.com.au/hv_clinical_proof.php

This document was independantly prepared by the Univiersity of British Columbia in Canada and proves that Penetrator delivers more Nutrient into your plants than Wet Betty or Agri-2.

for one they are using basil as they do for all their tests, and they came up with the idea that the other 2 products showed virtually no uptake, Now i happen to know that the same person designed both penetrator and wet betty, advanced nutes where impressed with penetrator so they poached the lead scientest on the project and he now works for advanced nutrients, the 2 products are so similar how they can say one is revolutionary and one doesnt work i will never know.

 

any way thats my mega rant, like i said i wont be using the range again but if it works for you then all the best but not for me, the other way i look at this is advanced nutrients have a guarantee on the bottles that if you are not happy for any reason they will refund your money, I have never returned a bottle, if the gold had the same guarantee i would have returned my bottles and got a refund for sure.

Edited April 6, 2008 by godonacid

[Bungee]

Hi God.

 

I checked with DM about the organic question - their response was that the A&B are organic, the other products like LL or Zone are not, and the whole set is supposed to be used together. I stand by my original comment that there was a huge improvement in taste.

 

I also checked the AN website. Seems a lot like the DM one - lots of hype and not much concrete information. Plus they use saffron as their test plant, not basil.

 

Plus the guy at my shop is happy to exchange anything for me, so the guarantee isn't really an issue.

 

Cheers for your thoughts though

B

[godonacid]

once again, straight from DM

 

Meticulously crafted with rare earth elements, plant extracts and finally incorporated with a revolutionary new "Organic Hybrid" technology, GOLD will deliver the ultimate yield - the yield that you have been striving to achieve.

 

it is not 100% organic, have a look at some online hydroponics stores and see if any of them sell dm gold as an organic nute.

 

like i said above if it works for you then go hard, but personally not for me, and also once again on my complaint of they wont tell me what is in the product.

 

rare earth elements, plant extracts and finally incorporated with a revolutionary new "Organic Hybrid" technology,

 

so why dont they list any of this on the bottle and why wont they tell me what any of it is, other companys have been quite happy to tell me, DM even has their MDS on their website but it hasnt got shit about the make up of the nutrient on it.

 

any way im rambling again, I just had 2 bad grows on this stuff so im not going there again.

[mullray]

Hi God.

 

I checked with DM about the organic question - their response was that the A&B are organic, the other products like LL or Zone are not, and the whole set is supposed to be used together. I stand by my original comment that there was a huge improvement in taste.

 

I also checked the AN website. Seems a lot like the DM one - lots of hype and not much concrete information. Plus they use saffron as their test plant, not basil.

 

Plus the guy at my shop is happy to exchange anything for me, so the guarantee isn't really an issue.

 

Cheers for your thoughts though

B

 

Here's my thoughts...... Fuck Dutch Master. They're a pack of liars. Yeah, and Superbud was organic wasn't it you tossers? Why the hell would anyone believe anything they said. An Aussie company called "Dutch" Master that sells poisons as organics and then tells us the same shit and expects us to believe their marketing this time. I just aren't a big enough sucker I guess. It's the one company whose products I refuse to use.

 

Next grow I'm going with a single part that is made locally to see what it's like.