the nimbin hemp bar

[HighRising]

I don't agree with him but I still think he has valid reasons for even being seen to believe what he says he believes even if he doesn't.

 

There must always be room for compromise and if the compromise of having legal weed is that we have to agree that hydro is evil - then so be it. Instead of fighting it, we can use it to our advantage, and use hydro as a scapegoat. Say all the mental problems come from hydro or something. Champion the right of people to grow natural, non-hydro, non-bikie buds free from fear of persecution.

 

I like the idea already. Maybe anti prohibitionists need to jump on this. As for me, I love any weed regardless of it's origin, couldn't care less if it's hydro or not.

Edited August 24, 2006 by HighRising

[Budman2012]

I still Kinda agree with you Wildflower ...

But I still also don't think this thread should be Shut down or closed ...

Why? , It doesn't really seem to be irritating to many people to the extent that they lose sleep over it ...

(If you get sleep that is)

This thread is important in my opinion ... very important ...

I'll leave it at that for now ...

Because anyone who has followed this thread closely should know that this thread debates on a core matter for all of us ...

and that is the truth .. and Freedom .. and the liberty of an extremly important plant. Imho.

Plz continue at will ... try and make it reasonable will ya guyz .. Sheesh. Especially you Big Bong. heheheh

No Worries , I'm a little (Lots) stoned , so forgive me for any drastic errors I may have made ...

Thankyou ... and Goodnight ...

 

From Budman.

[wildflower]

I admit this thread has affected me.

Ive been without my herb for nearly 4 years. Im living proof hes talking a bunch of crap. Thats why this thread pisses me off.

Its my pain killer.

Another pain killer is voltaren, I stopped taking it. its bad.

Another pain killer is alcohol, i hit it pretty hard.

You wanna talk about psychosis with alcohol?

now I do yoga, forms, martial arts - vitamins, herbs, suppliments - trying to get better and i will heal.

 

Ive seen how a simple idea or thought, changes peoples outlook and views, not because its right or wrong, but because its CONVENIENT.

Whether its read in the paper or TV - PROPAGANDA WORKS. I guess its up to the individual to think for himself, question EVERYTHING. Its easy for me I guess, but people that dont. I avoid - they are dangerous. Its other more experienced people here say "DONT TELL ANYONE, NOT EVEN YOUR MATES"

Because before you know it these simple ideas feed to gullible people that make people turn on each other.

 

PROTECT THE HOLY SACREMENT.

 

Fear is the mind killer.

 

But carry on then....

 

...and i also use a vaporiser - people want to talk about health while toking down smoke? Do i get up on my soap box telling people give away bongs/joints because its BAD for cannabis reform? No i dont because i dont believe it is bad for reform. Facist views are.

We can slice up this into a dozen pieces if we want, like fanatical religious factions. All worshiping the same god, but fighting over who does it better? whats the point?

 

legalise the herb!

grow it how you want!

get a life!

Edited August 24, 2006 by wildflower

[Bundy]

webgreetings..

A lot of the trouble is the available words we can use when refering to "non outdoor cannabis" so when we use the term 'hydro' we are using it like a general slang word, same as when you use the word bush.

 

i think the term 'hydro' has been bandied about rather carelessly with nobody actually stating what the term 'hydroponic' actually means

 

 

this is the description from www.thefreedictionary.com

 

 

 

Hydroponics

 

n. (used with a sing. verb)

 

Cultivation of plants in nutrient solution rather than in soil

Edited August 24, 2006 by Bundy

[Budman2012]

Don't worry Bundy .. It's been stated mate

 

Cheerz

 

[Bundy]

sorry....had my head in the clouds...oh well....

[mull]

Very interesting debate continuing. Congrats to all contributing and attempting to unify against the current anti cannabis laws and propaganda.

 

BigBong, thanks for lending me a suit like your emperors one mate. Sitting here in it reading, things are a bit chilly tho. Spose if I was up in nimbin my balls would be as big as yours still, just as hairy too. Lets go for a journey and show off our garments then eh?

 

I agree with you on the term marijuana being a derrogatory slang word, promoted by propagadaists/ racsists. Somehow it seems tho, that you believe the words indoor and hydro, should have that same negative overtone.

 

Ok also agree with your champion - outdoor organic cannabis is champion. So is indoor. So is greenhouse.

 

Now have you heard that in some areas of sydney, residents have been told not to use their bore water? Not even to water the lawn. Especially not on their veggie patches. The reason is the years of pollution has leached into the water table and now this contains heavy metals in unacceptable and toxic levels.

 

This pollution is in the soil too of course.

 

Move on to industrial smog and the pollutants in the air? Higher levels every day, in most built up cities.

 

Righto BigBong, can you roll me up a j please? Some of this champion outdoor organic cannabis, grown in the botany bush. Lets see what arsenic smokes up like eh? Wooo..

 

Indoor cannabis has, in this case, become a healthier proposition, correct?

 

Does the organic outdoor cannabis grown for hemp bar sales, come from tested soil plots? Is the ground water tested for pollutants also?

 

How are you finding these emperor's shoes mate, mine are hard on the heels?

 

Natural versus artificial, is so contentious an issue mate, that cannabis does not deserve the confusion.

Cannabis is not natural to australia, hence it has been artificially brought here by man. Organic outdoor for consumption is grown by man. Overlooking that point, only cannabis that self sews in the wild, is watered by rain, pollenated and full of seed, can then be called natural. If man tends to it, it is then contrived, artificial and not natural.

 

Now you gave wildflower a bit of a trounce BigBong, and he gave up a big retort there. It does tie in with this naked.. I mean emperor's suit journey. Vapourizers aren't championed soley in the hemp bar, why is that?

Are you saying that it's natural for man to inhale smoke?

Do your nipples ache when it's cold brrr..

Perhaps you better reconsider the nature of cannabinoid delivery to organic vapourization, and eating only?

 

If the government was serious about health and safety, cars would be speed limited and have roll cages. Tobacco would be illegal and alcohol far more regulated.

Things are how they are now, not by logic and truth, but by propaganda and mistruthes, correct?

(no I didn't sneak off and put a hemp shirt on.. still in my suit..)

 

Sure I agree with you on the dangers involved with the 'cannabis black market'. The criminal element, violence, theft and greed. But there is no distinction between indoor and outdoor, no matter how long we circle around naked... I mean, in these pretty nimbin hemp bar emperors suits. There is a higher chance that outdoor cannabis will make it to the black market than indoor. Its supply and demand, and the sun supplies more harvest than lights.

As before mentioned, never flushed, likely pesticided, herbicided, possibly grown in contaminated soil, with polluted bore water, and with hydroponic nutes, hormones and boosters, not cured, maybe not stored well and with fungii, grown by man - hence artificial.

 

So cannabis users, medical requirers and connoisuers that grow their own indoors, hydro or not, either used to grow outdoors, or still do. You will find indoor growers from these groups, to be very passionate about cannabis, and also desire it legalized. The activism has to be more subtle, grass roots myth busting tho. As any indescretion can see the indoor grows shut down, hence the stealth, and lack of participation in public rallies. You know this.

The chipping away at older generations fixed opinions, and helping younger growers/smokers avoid propaganda and cannamyths, is where grass roots cannabis activism has settled. And lets face it bro, it's still illegal, no matter how close you think it might have been to it since the 70s.

 

How bout we first put on some clothes now. And then recognize each other as allies, with the same hope for cannabis as a botanical endangered species, fighting the same enemy... who has a government issue emperors suit like the ones we were just wearing

[wildflower]

Very well said mullaway. Its nice to think that its all about activism. People also argue the merits of activisim, what procedures must one follow in order to call himself an activist? and whos procedures?

People didnt take to the streets to criminalise cannabis.

People didnt protest to increase our taxes

People didnt protest to to increase university charges.

People didnt protest for us to GO TO WAR.

Our lives are governed by a select few. We are suppose to be represented. The interests of every citizen is suppose to be considered. We have a history of a select few with the power to influence change in society for their benefit, not ours. Tobacco laws are an excellent example of this. If people grew their own, when they get lung cancer, who can they sue? themselves? Its about regulation for big bucks, not the welfare of people.

So when it call goes wrong, who do we support? Serves no one to create even more divisions within society. Our rulers do a good enough job of it as it is.

Call it what you want, i call it a (Political) hypocrisy.

I see it everywhere.

Edited August 25, 2006 by wildflower

[BigBong.org]

webgreetings.

 

Page 42.0 or so of the evils of hydro thread, perhaps I've drifted past the point of page 42.0.......dunno, every time I start to compose, x number of new posts arrive......

 

Anyway, I look along the rich tapestry of information available along this thread. Enough information for any intelligent person to make up their own minds exactly as to where they stand on many of the key points that confront all of us as cannabis smokers who have arrived at this point in cyber space and time.

 

Since the best result is to move forward with a reunited movement and end cannabis prohibition, I will propose that the IMPORTANT NOTE be "removed" from the H*E*M*P*Bars mission statement so that any perceived attack on high quality indoor growers and smokers will be removed in order TO REUNITE THE MOVEMENT, removal of the IMPORTANT NOTE - as has often been pointed out - since it was an Feb 2006 addition, would be the simplest, easiest way forward.

 

Truce? Cease Fire? End of War? Hidden Agenda? read on.

 

I am not proposing that any H*E*M*P*Bar staff member will be required to stop expressing their right to free speech and personal opinion inside the physical reality of the H*E*M*P*Bar, and I personally propose to put a lot more thought in exactly how it is we express our concerns about anyone everywhere trusting cannabis they didn't see growing in the future.

 

IMPORTANT NOTE: About the IMPORTANT NOTE you are about to read next, the IMPORTANT NOTE below has not been added to the mission statement, the mission statement still has the contraversial indoor hydro IMPORTANT NOTE in it and will have till I get the go ahead to remove the "concept" of having an IMPORTANT NOTE on the Mission Statement from dave and sam sam in person. The version below is where I got up to before I got stopped work on it and figured I may as well post it to here.

 

IMPORTANT NOTE: When we refer to cannabis and marijuana in any of our many webspaces, we are ONLY talking about organic outdoor cannabis. The Nimbin H*E*M*P*Bar, by 'constitutional mandate', champions ONLY outdoor cannabis, we ONLY endorse real hippy pot, totally natural, organic - CANNABIS grown with its roots in the soil and its leaves in the sun. Bush Buds.

 

We are NOT referring to Blackmarket Cannabis or Marijuana that was grown for greed, we are NOT referring to any kind of half baked Outdoor / Indoor / Hydroponic Chronic grown or cloned from seeds that were scientifically / selectively bred to produce as much THC as possible in the shortest amount of time. Chances are you've already seen (and smelt) the stuff we are warning you about, the buds that look like Arnold Swartzeneggers Biceps and smells like a hospital urinal.

 

Since opening day in the H*E*M*P*Bar we have been alerting our patrons to all of the POTential dangers associated with the mechanism of "hydroponics" and especially in the understanding of the conspiracy (mineral, vegtable, industrial, pharmaceutical) that is behind the entire "chronic" industry.

 

Here's just a few of the ways that H*E*M*P*Bar staff use to describe non hippy pot;

 

"If you want to enjoy out door buds, sit down under a tree, wriggle your toes in the dirt, feel the sun on your skin and then try to smell the wind with your hair - try it, it works. To understand that indoor stuff. Lock your self in a small room, turn on lots and lots of hot bright lights, put your feet in a bucket of water while you watch tv non stop for 3 months. Order in lots of processed junk food. Your life, You choose. Battery hen or Eagle."

 

"Like premature babies, forced to mature in an artificial environment, follow the money trail, see where it leads."

 

"Generating electricity creates so much environmental destruction and so growing Cannabis under lights seems a gigantic waste of resources when there is so much sunshine out side.'

 

"Smoking Hydge in Nimbin makes as much sense as going to the south of France on a gourmet food tour and just eating MacDonald's."

 

"Smoking Indoor Hydroponic is like having sex with a robot, not saying there's anything wrong with having sex with a robot, just saying it's artificial, by the same token billions of men and women use billions of electric vibrators everyday after having eaten hydroponic fruits and vegetables and there's no stigma attached to their use, although, I can't ever remember visiting anyone's house and seen their dildo prominently displayed, and lets not even mention the staggering number of environmentally unfriendly batteries consumed by dildo owners over the years, erk, I've crossed the line I'm prolly about to get bombarded with emails from 'masturbators' who think that I have unfairly picked on their favorite sexbot to make some hippy point that lightbulbs can't imitate the sun I'm probably hear crys of "unfounded" from the manufacturers of electric batteries, nondildo battery users, hydroponic growing equipment manufactures, monsanto- actually, I prolly shouldn't have mentioned the light bulb- respect for edison and all, umm northern hemisphere seed banks, fertilizer manufacturers, oh well, it's sure getting harder to be flippant in a politically correct world, who else could I have offended? ummmmmmmmmmmm?" <a link to complaints@nimbinhempbar.com subject= components of this metaphor offend me.>

 

Here's just one of the things the H*E*M*P*Bar staff have to say about Bongs when our ZERO BONG policy is discussed.

 

"Bongs spill, no matter how much care is taken accidents happen, and its never a freshly cleaned one, so can you imagine how it would stink in here if we had averaged 4.20 bong spills per day since opening day last century? We have gone to a lot of trouble over the years to ensure that the smell you first smell when entering the H*E*M*P*Bar is that of freshly lit cannabis - well flushed."

 

Till next

 

peace

 

;O)--~

Edited August 25, 2006 by BigBong.org

[wildflower]

Its good to see that your making some effort.

but his

We are NOT referring to Blackmarket Cannabis or Marijuana that was grown for greed, we are NOT referring to any kind of half baked Outdoor / Indoor / Hydroponic Chronic grown or cloned from seeds that were scientifically / selectively bred to produce as much THC as possible in the shortest amount of time. Chances are you've already seen (and smelt) the stuff we are warning you about, the buds that look like Arnold Swartzeneggers Biceps and smells like a hospital urinal.

Im mean really?

Why dont you define WHAT YOUR refering too instead of what your NOT referring to. You champion the outdoor - you have support for that. None of us have a problem with it! Why would we?. Weve all exhausted ourselves here. You still have to make ridiculous claims about indoor/hydro/breeding/thc/arnolds biceps/hospital urinal?...you warn for ..what?

And when your pressed to explain, you either avoid it, or throw in some cannamyths!

you dont like hydroponically grown and you dont know why.