the nimbin hemp bar

[pipeman]

pipeman = aside from that it is impossible to prove whether pot is indoor or outdoor.

 

BB= huh? there is quite a visual differance and an obvious smell differential between indoors and outdoors, as I quipped earlier, indoor pot looks like arnold swartzeneggers biceps.

 

yeah no shit we can tell the difference between indoor and outdoor buds but it has to be proveable under the law, and that will be impossible wouldn't you agree?

[stonedstump]

I still don't understand why this old reefer madness / propaganda rubbish can't just be removed from the hemp bar website? Problem solved...

 

Like people have said, you don't have any facts to back it up, it's purely your personal opinion.

 

And on a Cannabis law reform/activism site -- Facts are your FRIEND.

 

 

Btw, the 'hemp industry' wants nothing to do with recreational users.

[BigBong.org]

webgreetings.

 

some early morning thoughts and replys to overnight posts...

 

The words "Pot Pcychosis is caused by indoor hydro cannabis" don't appear in the H*E*M*P*Bar mission statement, the entire thrust of our words is that outdoor is natural - indoor is artificial.

 

The words "Hydro is Evil" are not, nor have ever been in the H*E*M*P*Bar mission statement,

 

StonedStump has asked "why don't you just remove the IMPORTANT NOTE, the answer can be found in the text of the IMPORTANT NOTE... When we refer to cannabis and marijuana in our webspace, we are ONLY talking about organic outdoor cannabis. The Nimbin H*E*M*P*Bar, by 'constitutional mandate', champions ONLY outdoor cannabis, we ONLY endorse real hippy pot, totally natural, organic - CANNABIS grown with its roots in the soil and its leaves in the sun. Bush Buds.

 

Now sure, we could simply delete every thing else from there down to....

 

The H*E*M*P*Bar does not encourage indoor hydroponic cannabis to smoked on its premises, we are polite about it, as polite as we are when pointing out the NO alcohol, NO bongs and NO dogs policies. (but keep an eye out for the "Barking Wombats")

 

I could do the edit now, chill you dudes all out and cause peace between us all.

 

Imagine for a second we did that, you would all feel vindicated BUT, with out the second part of the important note, we would NO LONGER be alerting our patrons to all of the very real dangers associated with the mechanism of "hydro" (particularly commercial) and especially in the understanding of the conspiracy (oil companies and chemical companies) that is behind the entire hydroponic industry.

 

Alerting OUR patrons is the active component, alerting the people who visit the HB that there are dangers associated with the hydro mechanism, dangers which - by your own admissions- ozstoner growers spend a lot of time and effort to avoid.

 

I have seen lots of smiley faces bashing their heads against the brick wall of the HEMPBar and YES it is a brick wall, we built it brick by brick over a number of years and YES, we are immovable on this issue. I have tried to make that clear from the get go.

 

And once again I re-re-iterate/point out that, if a newbie pot smoker reads our mission statement and believes everything we say.... It's not such a bad thing is it? Surely the worst result is that they become more selective about the cannabis they smoke?

 

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Highrising said: I agree that all natural cheeba would be a much easier proposition as far as legality goes and I understand why you guys would want to distance yourselves from hydro and the criminal undercurrent that are attached to it. Thank you HR, thats exactly what the important note is for.

 

Budman, I haven't ignored your last post, nor any of your posts, since the get go I have taken every ones comments on board and thought deeply about them all, even wildflowers vitriol, anyway, to answer some of your post...

 

BM = Besides not providing any facts about why Marijuana (or Hydro if U want to call it that) is bad at all.

 

BB= We dont say it is bad. We claim the mechanism IS artificial.

 

BM = And how do you know what anyone has done regarding activism? ...

 

BB = I can mostly see what hasn't been done, I have never said that ozstoners aren't activists, rather I have pointed out that since indoor hydro has become so prevalent/easily obtainable, there has been zero activism in the streets and the real winners have been the suppliers of hydro equipment and criminals.

 

BM= But you didn't say how they/we are meant to grown their own personal "natural" MJ in the cities or populated areas???

 

BB= You grow proudly where ever you can and as often as you can, don't hide it, also plant seeds in public gardens, every where you can possibly think of. Sure many of these plants will be ripped off and maybe you will be arrested by the police, if arrested, plead "Guilty for political reasons" like the undatoka did.

 

BM= its marijuana.

 

BB= Marijuana is a slang term of mexican origin, Marijuana was the term used by Harry Anslinger and the FBI to delude the USA congress into approving the marijuana tax act of 1937.

 

BM= Besides not providing any facts about why Marijuana (or Hydro if U want to call it that) is bad at all ...

 

BB= see the top of this post..... The words "Pot Pcychosis is caused by indoor hydro cannabis" don't appear in the H*E*M*P*Bar mission statement, the entire thrust of our words is that outdoor is natural - indoor is artificial. The words "Hydro is Evil" are not, nor have ever been in the H*E*M*P*Bar mission statement.

 

I would add more input on your post, but I already see this post of mine is getting too complicated and so I will stop this one and wait for your next post.

 

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Jess Stone= BIG BALLS.org and big hairy ones sticking right out there at that, are LEGENDS -

 

BB= genuine laughs about that quote, very funny.

 

JS= however that doesn't mean that they are incapable of being wrong on particular points of arguement occaisionally.

 

BB= I still don't believe my bighairyballs are wrong for reasons already mentioned.

 

Peace Park, Mardi Grass Sunday afternoon,7th May 2006............. I was there, up on the stage, I was the one who lit the 4.20 PM joint and spoke about 420, I was the one who asked the question "who wants to come with us to Canberra" and I was the one who saw just how little support we were going to get. Whilst speaking of the mardigrass, did you know that less than 1 in 10 people who attend the mardigrass bother to pay the nominal cover charge?

 

till next

 

peace

 

;O)--~

Edited August 24, 2006 by BigBong.org

[stonedstump]

I could do the edit now, chill you dudes all out and cause peace between us all.

 

Imagine for a second we did that, you would all feel vindicated BUT, with out the second part of the important note, we would NO LONGER be alerting our patrons to all of the very real dangers associated with the mechanism of "hydro" (particularly commercial) and especially in the understanding of the conspiracy (oil companies and chemical companies) that is behind the entire hydroponic industry.

 

You keep making reference to the very real dangers of hydro but you keep failing to provide facts, not opinion, not preference, but actually real life, proven, scientific facts to support your absurd, outdated claims.

 

It sometimes makes me wonder if you guys actually know what hydroponics is so I've provided a link for you take a look at, it might shed some light on the matter for you.. i don't know...

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydroponic

 

Highrising said: I agree that all natural cheeba would be a much easier proposition as far as legality goes and I understand why you guys would want to distance yourselves from hydro and the criminal undercurrent that are attached to it.

 

BB: Thank you HR, thats exactly what the important note is for.

 

So your statement is politically motivated as has been said before? You admit to it now?

 

I think that you guys are great characters and worthy of respect for your efforts, but some of the things you have put out there are abit irresponsible I think. (such as hydro propganda to benefit your own cause)

Edited August 24, 2006 by stonedstump

[BigBong.org]

webgreetings,

 

oops i forgot pipeman who said.. we can tell the difference between indoor and outdoor buds but it has to be proveable under the law, and that will be impossible wouldn't you agree?

 

BB= I think that if you go up in front of a magistrate who has the police "evidence" of your grow room in front of him, it would be impossible for you to prove you are doing it for any reasons other than personal gain and this will be reflected in your sentance.

 

The new laws are very very heavy because the police want to arrest the criminal element and make the charges stick and everyone who has a grow room REALLY ought to be concerned about the impact of these new/ upgraded consequences.

 

till next

 

peace

 

;O)--~

[pipeman]

And once again I re-re-iterate/point out that, if a newbie pot smoker reads our mission statement and believes everything we say.... It's not such a bad thing is it? Surely the worst result is that they become more selective about the cannabis they smoke?

 

yeah if we're being realistic it probably doesn't make that much difference ot anything. mj activism is practically dead in Australia as you've pointed out there just aren't enough stoners who are willing to put their arses on the line and do something about it.

 

I just think its a shame, and a little embarassing, that the most high profile cannabis activists are helping to reinforce the irrational fears and false perceptions that are being spread by the governments and media with regards to indoor hydro growing.

 

Whilst speaking of the mardigrass, did you know that less than 1 in 10 people who attend the mardigrass bother to pay the nominal cover charge?

 

you're talking about the cover charge to get into Peace Park? Well I did my bit, it was $15 for one day and $20 for the weekend right? Something like that anyway. Well I paid $15 on both days cause I didn't expect to be there for the whole weekend.

[pipeman]

webgreetings,

 

oops i forgot pipeman who said.. we can tell the difference between indoor and outdoor buds but it has to be proveable under the law, and that will be impossible wouldn't you agree?

 

BB= I think that if you go up in front of a magistrate who has the police "evidence" of your grow room in front of him, it would be impossible for you to prove you are doing it for any reasons other than personal gain and this will be reflected in your sentance.

 

The new laws are very very heavy because the police want to arrest the criminal element and make the charges stick and everyone who has a grow room REALLY ought to be concerned about the impact of these new/ upgraded consequences.

 

till next

 

peace

 

;O)--~

 

we are concerned about the hydro laws bigbong. Its a shame you're not. Its basically what this whole thread is about.

 

with regards to the indoor/outdoor definitions under the law I'm just making the point that it would be impossible to legalise outdoor but not indoor. Therefore, all cannabis would remain illegal. Therefore, your idea that law reform is more likely to be achieved if we only argue for outdoor pot is clearly false. They will use the "dangers of hydro" nonsense to keep all anti cannabis laws in place. I mean I'm not saying your stance is the reason we have all these ridiculous laws, but I do believe its an example of why stoners have been completely ineffective in our activism.

Edited August 24, 2006 by pipeman

[BigBong.org]

webgreetings

 

StonedStump thank you for the link on hydroponics and the words "I think that you guys are great characters and worthy of respect for your efforts."

 

SS=So your statement is politically motivated as has been said before? You admit to it now? some of the things you have put out there are abit irresponsible I think. (such as hydro propganda to benefit your own cause)

 

BB= Every word in the hempbar website is political, every word is politically motivated to support outdoor cannabis law reform, not sure why anyone would think otherwise. Irresponsible? i canot agree that we are irresponsible in our 'outdoor agenda' nor in our abhorance for the criminal element which undermines everyones efforts to change the law.

 

SS= I still don't understand why this old reefer madness / propaganda rubbish can't just be removed from the hemp bar website? Problem solved...

 

BB= to quote my previous answer to you - we are alerting the people who visit the HB that there are dangers associated with the hydro mechanism, dangers which - by your own admissions- ozstoner growers spend a lot of time and effort to avoid.

 

We allude to the Dangers created by dodgy black market grows and the dangers created by a total lack of cannabis law reform in the streets of the cities and country towns.

 

SS= Like people have said, you don't have any facts to back it up, it's purely your personal opinion. And on a Cannabis law reform/activism site -- Facts are your FRIEND.

 

BB= Purely personal? Hempbar mission statement expresses the opionions of lots of people in the Nimbin HEMP Movement, not just me.

 

SS= btw, the 'hemp industry' wants nothing to do with recreational users.

 

BB= For the very good reason that industrial hemp is rope/fibre grown for stem, it aint pot that you can smoke for recreational purposes.

 

till next

 

peace

 

;O)--~

[BigBong.org]

webgreetings pipeman.

 

First up, so very glad you were one of those who bought a green bracelet.

 

I think that it is possible to relegalize outdoors and leave indoors illegal, not, I hasten to add that I would ever suggest that to the government. I think its possible because if large scale outdoor grows were legal and cannabis was produced in staggeringly large amounts by every farmer in australia, the desire for indoors would disappear and whats more, indoors would become financially unviable.

 

I am concerned about the hydro laws, ESPECIALLY as they relate to small growrooms for personal use.

 

PM= I just think its a shame, and a little embarassing, that the most high profile cannabis activists are helping to reinforce the irrational fears and false perceptions that are being spread by the governments and media with regards to indoor hydro growing.

 

BB= not all of the governments and medias claims are built on false perceptions and irrational fears. The new legislation was introduced because of the growing number of teenagers having mental problems and police evidence that illustrated that lots of criminals were taking advantage of the fact that the 'old law' was based on the lower outdoor yeilds and slower grow rates.

 

till next

 

peace

 

;O)--~

[stonedstump]

SS= I still don't understand why this old reefer madness / propaganda rubbish can't just be removed from the hemp bar website? Problem solved...

 

BB= to quote my previous answer to you - we are alerting the people who visit the HB that there are dangers associated with the hydro mechanism, dangers which - by your own admissions- ozstoner growers spend a lot of time and effort to avoid.

 

We try to avoid pot that hasn't been grown properly full-stop (flushed, no systematic chemicals, cured, etc), does not matter if it's indoors or outdoors.

 

All of the above apply to both indoor and outdoor grown pot.

All of the above apply to personal and commercial grows.

 

Therefore you have a conflict of interest.

 

So you should be stating your personal preference like you do at the top of the page, which you're entitled to do and you could then write a paragraph informing people of unflushed and uncured buds as well as mouldy buds. And also alert any would-be-could-be growers that they should not use chemical pesticides.

 

It doesn't matter if it came from a 200 acre farm or a 4 plant home grow under a light or a half/half Budro/Hybush grow. The rules apply equally.

If the GROWER does not know how to grow safely then that is not the plants fault, it's not the light or suns fault, it's the GROWERS fault.

 

You can't go saying that only indoor and only commercial growers are dangerous because by saying that you're either saying that no commercial growers grow outdoors or all indoor growers are commercial growers. Either that or you are a hypocrite.

 

Do you know how many commercial outdoor growers there are? Have a look in the news section of this website and you will see... shit loads of them.. and I bet half of them don't even know what flushing is.

 

I hope that makes sense because I'm really out of it at the moment and I had to retype it 10 times so it doesn't sound nasty (not my intention whatsoever).