the nimbin hemp bar

[BigBong.org]

webgreetings.

 

I read this thread start to finish tuesday and again this morning, – just under 3 hours each time- with out posting in between... I found that that helped a lot, sleeping on the data overnight, sifting it thru and not replying 'off the top of my head', I would also add that I worked on the following words for more than 4 hours and 20 minutes........

 

Along the thread a veiw often expressed, even more so since my last post, is that I am ignorant, stubborn and narrow minded because I won't change my stance or cease my 'distrust/suspicion' of hydro. I don't provide facts, I twist words and I shouldn't be involved in cannabis law reform. I'm sarcastic, agressive and deliberately misleading and at one point, it was even suggested that we instigated the new hydro laws!

 

There have also been plenty of compliments for my activism and support for my point of veiw along this thread, and I have tried to give all ozstoners a clearer picture of why we do what we do in the hempbar, which is primarily provide a place to smoke cannabis "as if cannabis had never been made illegal in the first place".

 

The biggest disadvantage 'our point of view' suffers in this forum is that very few of those who have expressed negative opionions about the hempbar have actually visited the HEMP Bar. If only all of you could visit for a week or more so that you could hear lots of people coming in asking if we can sell them some outdoor pot because THEY believe its better for them than 'commecial' hydro. BTW, It causes Paranoia are the words most often used in reasons why they dont like indoor no more.

 

I have spoken of ways that 'over the last few years' the existence of the indoor hydro has harmed overall cannabis activism, of how the government are not interested in discussing cannabis law reform "at all" until the pot pyschosis question is settled and surely, if a newbie pot smoker reads our mission statement and believes everything we say.... It's not such a bad thing is it? Surely the worst result is that they become more selective about the cannabis they smoke?

 

Where to from here?

 

I will not be starting a new thread, in fact the number of times I will post to this thread 'from here on out' are running down because the amount of time I will have available over the next few weeks and months is very limited and I have just about said everything I feel need to say on this topic.

 

What I still can't understand is "why it is" that the HEMP Bar is unable to possess an opinion contrary to the opionions of people who are not now, nor ever have been, directly involved in our activism and I also resent the recent implications that we are purely commercially motivated almost as much as I resent the inferance that we simplemindedly adopted our stance because the Government told us to.

 

I don't think its such a stretch to say that indoor cannabis users are a non event as far as law reform is concerned and I know that what ever I say or do, the criminals are going to keep selling their dodgy buds to teenagers and other newbies, some of whom who are going to flip out and give the governemnt even more reason to crack down on cannabis in general all of which just makes our task so much harder than it was before Hydro entered the debate.

 

Budman said. What exactly would you like your fellow MJ advocate/grower to do if they live in a city???

 

My answer is.... exactly what we have done.... write a mission statement, set up a webcam in your front room, link it to a website and put a sign out on the street and hang up posters in your neighborhood with your address saying "indoor cannabis growers and activist kiosk" NOW OPEN. Write letters to the editor in your local newspaper, rent your local school of arts or town hall and hold an indoor cannabis law reform meeting and defend your position on indoor hydro to best of your ability. And most importantly, enter into dialogue with local Government / local law enforcement agencies and express your indoor veiws to them, and then, after youhave received their veiwpoints, you ought understand why it is that "justifying" the relegalization of indoor pot is so so very much more a quagmire than championing 'outdoor - all natural hippy pot".

 

 

till next

 

peace

 

;O)--~

[dsyfer]

I always thought the hippy spirit was to be open minded, non-judgemental, and to accept difference ??????

 

Reminds me of the South African bus driver who got so sick of all the racism

shown on his bus, with the whites and blacks always fighting and arguing.

One day he had enough, so he stopped the bus, got up and said "I'm so sick of all this black and white shit, from now on everybody is fucking green, no more black no more white, just green...now, light greens to the front, dark greens to the back".

 

 

Guys we are all green, indoors, outdoors, whatevers. (well some are a little purple, but mainly when cold)

[pipeman]

I don't think its such a stretch to say that indoor cannabis users are a non event as far as law reform is concerned

 

agreed, and the same is true for outdoor users as well.

 

so you think its going to be easier to get pot legalised if you only argue for outdoor pot huh? OK, so what reason do you have to think this? Which politicians are you talking to? What legislation are they proposing in what states? I doubt I will get answers to any of these questions.

 

I would have thought that truth is on our side. So if we are going to try to get this plant legalised we should speak the truth about it not reinforce existing misconceptions and irrational fears. And aside from that it is impossible to prove whether pot is indoor or outdoor. So if you agree with the government that hydro is dangerous then you are automatically guaranteeing that cannabis will never be legalised because it would be impossible to differentiate between indoor and outdoor interms of dealing, posession, use etc.

[Budman2012]

Along the thread a veiw often expressed, even more so since my last post, is that I am ignorant, stubborn and narrow minded because I won't change my stance or cease my 'distrust/suspicion' of hydro. I don't provide facts, I twist words and I shouldn't be involved in cannabis law reform. I'm sarcastic, agressive and deliberately misleading and at one point, it was even suggested that we instigated the new hydro laws!

 

Besides not providing any facts about why Marijuana (or Hydro if U want to call it that) is bad at all ...

 

The rest is misleading and taken out of context.

 

And how do you know what anyone has done regarding activism? ...

Sure you guys are in the centre of the most well known MJ activism area in Australia ...

But there are many people I know that are active ... passivly and/or directly ... Write letters , put in the hard research time , teaching people the right way to grow and use etc. (I.e. Ozstoners) etc etc etc.

So I wouldn't be suggesting that people here at OSA are not activists , bcuz that would be wrong.

 

And about the response to my comment/question ...

 

"

Budman said. What exactly would you like your fellow MJ advocate/grower to do if they live in a city???

 

My answer is.... exactly what we have done.... write a mission statement, set up a webcam in your front room, link it to a website and put a sign out on the street and hang up posters in your neighborhood with your address saying "indoor cannabis growers and activist kiosk" NOW OPEN. Write letters to the editor in your local newspaper, rent your local school of arts or town hall and hold an indoor cannabis law reform meeting and defend your position on indoor hydro to best of your ability. And most importantly, enter into dialogue with local Government / local law enforcement agencies and express your indoor veiws to them, and then, after youhave received their veiwpoints, you ought understand why it is that "justifying" the relegalization of indoor pot is so so very much more a quagmire than championing 'outdoor - all natural hippy pot".

"

 

O.k. Cool , some of that may be a little unrealistic for a lot of us ... But good , and well said.

But you didn't say how they/we are meant to grown their own personal "natural" MJ in the cities or populated areas???

 

Oh and Btw. Its Marijuana man , a plant o.k. regardless of how Its grown , You Know that the lines of "which way It is grown" cross and intersect ... Where do you draw lines? ... I think I remember you kindof agreeing with this earlier .. I think.

Its one big quagmire now , the world is screwed as I see it.

Why waste time with personal opinions when Its all of our Freedom that is at stake?

Surely for ALL Stoners/advocates to be united would be best yes? ... Yes.

 

O.k. I dont know how to Multi-Quote So it makes It a little difficult for me to reply all of what I wanted to reply. So I'll finish here.

 

So .. You do know that I think we all do support your activism , Its just that false/unfounded part about "Hydro" being "Evil" and "conspiricy" and "unnatural etc that gets us a littled frustrated , and honestly , I don't know why you don't seem to understand this? Everything else is fine Imo. Have your veiw that Bush/outdoor is "Better" , thats an excellent view and one I believe aswell ...

Nature Rules.

But growing some plants "hydroponically" or "Indoors" (is a greenhouse indoors?) these days is a neccesity ofc. and I dont see why The Good Herb Marijuana shouldn't be. Can you tell me why?

 

oops , I think I said I was gonna finish didn't I.

 

O.k.

Bye BigBong ...

Take care.

 

Your friendly neighbourhood Budman ...

Budman.

[BigBong.org]

webgreetings..

 

pipeman, a quick reply to your quick reply.

 

pipeman = agreed that indoor users were a non event as far as cannabis, and the same is true for outdoor users as well.

 

BB= I agree pipeman, my point would that in this thread we are SPECIFICALLY talking about HEMPBAR outdoor cannabis law reform methodolgy, not the overall situation.

 

pipeman = "so you think its going to be easier to get pot legalised if you only argue for outdoor pot huh? OK, so what reason do you have to think this? I doubt I will get answers to any of these questions

 

BB = the answers are all in my previous posts, instead of rereading the whole thread and everything everyone else has said in this thread. Just read my posts.

 

pipeman = aside from that it is impossible to prove whether pot is indoor or outdoor.

 

BB= huh? there is quite a visual differance and an obvious smell differential between indoors and outdoors, as I quipped earlier, indoor pot looks like arnold swartzeneggers biceps.

 

pipeman said = you agree with the government that hydro is dangerous.

 

BB= What I 'just' said about this was >>> what ever I say or do, the criminals are going to keep selling their dodgy buds to teenagers and other newbies, some of whom who are going to flip out and give the governemnt even more reason to crack down on cannabis in general, all of which just makes our task so much harder than it was before Hydro entered the debate.

 

Anyway.....

 

I'm runnning out of time 'in the now', plus I have had my head entirely in this thread "to the exclusion of all else" for 2 days and thats enough - at least for now....

 

So, if there is one thing from my last post that I would have "any individual focus on" its this statement....

 

Surely, if a newbie pot smoker reads our mission statement and believes everything we say.... It's not such a bad thing is it? Surely the worst result is that they become more selective about the cannabis they smoke?

 

till next

 

peace

 

;O)--~

 

P.S. The following words are copied from BigJoint goes to Canberra-May 2006 these words also featured on the front cover of this years free mardigrass program, I paste them here because I believe they ought help everyone understand the relegalize out door position more fully.

 

The original plan was to arrive in Canberra during the budget session, in time to point out to Mr. Howard and Mr. Costello the POTential revenue that would be raised by the HEMP revolution, please keep uppermost in mind we are not talking about a government tax on home grown cannabis for personal use, we are talking about the revenue that will be generated by the hemp Agri business - Fibre, Fuel and Food.

 

Hemp is stronger and requires far less fertilizer than, say, cotton; being naturally insect repellent, and having few insect predators capable of effectively attacking it, it needs little to no pe$ticide$. As food, hemp seed is right up there with the Soya bean for nutrition and a lot more versatile. Since a hemp seed is 35% oil, containing the highest oil percentage of all seeds, hempseed is ideal for bio diesel and when the sustainability of a bio diesel industry is compared to the unstable future of the oil business, case closed, I mean the price of oil has never come down in my lifetime, hemp based fuel could save Australia billions and billions of dollars.

 

I should also add that cannabis has a growing reputation amongst cancer patients as a wonder drug, but it's 'miracle cure' reputation is unverifiable and of course, the legal situation of cannabis has stifled research in this area for many years. Another example? How about old growth Tasmanian forest being sold as wood chips for $2.70 a tonne. Irreplaceable forest for a measly $2.70 per tonne. If the government were to legislate a redeployment of the 'woodchip' industry into the 'hemp industry, within a few years the HEMPchip industry will be churning out high quality pulp and what's left of the old growth could stay alive until someone wants to pay its real value; $27,000,000 a tonne. Still yet another example? Hemp is being used in the Ukraine around Chernobyl to absorb radioactive isotopes from the soil.

 

Bottom Line? We do not want 'outdoor' cannabis legalized just so we can sit around and smoke pot all day long, we have common sense reasons why 'out door' cannabis should be relegalized so that all Australians can benefit from this wonderful plant, indeed, from a global perspective, no other country on earth stands to gain as much as Australia does by relegalizing the hemp plant. We have the acreage, the sunlight and the willing workers required to become the earths leading supplier of hemp for Fibre, Fuel, Food and Medicine.

Edited August 23, 2006 by BigBong.org

[mattdestruction]

wow one of the longest budman posts ive seen yet...

 

youre the man... sorry i just skipped to the end of this argument cause it was 37 pages, then after reading the last page i felt i had to post something...

 

which sucks because this is too long to begin with, hence its probably something important... please, no one reply to this

 

but i do love hydro... at least it lets me feel in control of my [grow] environment...

 

peace

Edited August 23, 2006 by mattdestruction

[Budman2012]

 

Yeheh , and I put a little effort into it to ...

 

I was ignored again ...

 

[HighRising]

BigBong, don't entirely agree with you - imho buds are buds and no-one has any right to deny us them no matter what their origin - but I back what you guys are doing 100% and greatly admire your work. I agree that all natural cheeba would be a much easier proposition as far as legality goes and I understand why you guys would want to distance yourselves from hydro and the criminal undercurrent that are attached to it.

 

Keep fighting the good fight mate, hope to catch you guys at the hemp bar one day

 

HR

Edited August 23, 2006 by HighRising

[Jess Stone]

Theres no doubting BigBong.org or BB.org which could easily stand for BIG BALLS.org and big hairy ones sticking right out there at that, are LEGENDS ,however that doesn't mean that they are incapable of being wrong on particular points of arguement occaisionally.

Hey Pipeman you might be right about getting to a point that feels like and its easy to become disenchanted when it feels this way, the first activism event I remember was way back in 75 or 76 and if you had asked me that day in Sydneys Hyde Park what I thought 2006 might hold for cannabis's legal status ? I would not have conceived that our position in life would be worse legally wise,it felt empowering that day as the organisers tossed around piles of joints so we would all be breaking the law and as a whippersnapper full of bright eyed naivity ,legalisation just seemed months away. HOW WRONG WAS I ?

 

Check out this attachement a button badge from 94-5-6 Mardi Grass ?(not sure which one ,does someone remember?) Yes its a real bud ,I have a few different ones,it was a great idea as everyone was breaking the law just wearing one.

[Ms Green]

G'day jess hmmm thats an interesting picture I see you have there so tell me is that a real bud or what?So that's what a ten yr old bud looks like! If only you could still get those badges!