the nimbin hemp bar

[Budman2012]

Ahhh , hehehe , I thought Pipeman just had the shits .. Heha Wankerweed .. Thats classic.

 

As for the Hempbars mission statement ... hmmm ... I wonder if they will change the statement to reflect the truth of the matter ...

It would take a great person (Hippie or not) to come full circle on admitting a belief (stereotype) they have held to be truth for so many years ...

People aren't generally very good at admitting they are/were wrong about anything ... We all like to be right , Its just some of us are sometimes and some of us aren't sometimes ... If people would just admit they're wrong when they know they are , the Earth would be a better planet to live on .. Imo.

I grow outdoors ... I champion freedom , what is the difference between Budman and the HEMPBar guyz???

BASICALLY 1.0 ... I support and advocate MARIJUANA ... And the peoples right of "freedom" to be able to "Choose" how they like to "personally" grow , process amd use the "plant" . Cannabis.

I'd almost wager that these guyz won't cooporate , they aren't gettin any younger , and after all the years of hard battlin they've had to do , one isn't supprised that they have become jaded and stubborn ... almost comes with the territory I reckon.

I think we probly all know a handfull of old people that hold stubborn out of date veiws , and will never change their opinions ... Its called "Pig Headed" and u know "Can't teach an old dog new tricks" (Actually an old Kanine can be taught new tricks , this refers to old Humans)

ANyway ... Whatchu reckon huh!? Oh , that sounds interesting ...

 

Budman ... Out. (Waiting for the 50 page anniversary of this thread)

Bye Now.

[pipeman]

haha. budman you have not seen me get the shits yet mate. When I do, you will know it for sure (and my reaction will probably get me banned)

 

I don't like to use a lot of smileys in my posts usually. Just the to say I'm stoned. If whoever is reading my posts can't see the dry sarcasm then a smiley is not going to help them anyway.

 

I agree with you about the HEMP Bar guys. I mean what would we say if some scientist came up with a bunch of evidence that mj is actually bad for you? Even if we knew it to be true, we'd still smoke it, cause thats just the way we are.

 

I think its important to stamp out all the hydro paranoia which is being taken up by the governments so that the laws don't get worse than they already are for indoor growers. But, I guess the HEMP Bar guys don't grow hydro so to them its just not an important issue. Which is a real shame IMO.

Edited August 11, 2006 by pipeman

[Mulcontent]

Sorry that I don't use the correct terms for things and this may have confused you I call nutes chem and yeh they are mainly salts.

When I said trace elements I meant left over traces of chems/nutes

The add ons like Monstabud which was released around 96 - 97 was locally made as far as I know and distributed by a drive around salesman to various hydro supppliers , this product was not tested by anyone in regards to its safeness for consumption.

This is the kind of shit that worries me guys it can contain anything , is badly labled and possibly made offshore with stuff not approved in this country.

Yes Frazzle you could see the zinc particles in the stuff and this is because they are using cheap ingredients and the product was not refined enough - tho I thought I was insane when my microwave lit up like firestorm !

Skunk ifyou have read my posts I do say I grow indoors and outdoors , for this part of the convo I an referring to my indoor setup which is soiless also you will note I say sometimes I get my nutes / chems from overseas ( Dutchfest etc ) but I use a mix from my local hydro supplier which he makes , he is aussie has a horticultural degree and a long term business , also he doesn't appear to have tits or a third arm and swears he won't poison me !

He gave me this info

These are the elements plants need to grow and they derive these from the soil and air naturally:

Nitrogen

Phosphorous

Potassium

Calcium

Magnesium

Sulfate

Iron

Manganese

Zinc

Copper

Boron

Molybdenum

To reproduce this for hydrponic nutrient solution ( A and B ) he adds these ingredients to water:

Part A contains:

Calcium Nitrate

EDTA Iron

Part B conatains:

Potassium dihydrogen phosphate

Potassium nitrate

Magnesium sulphate

Boric acid

Copper sulphate

Ammonium molybdate

Zinc sulphate

 

This solution is clear and grows hella good plants without any need for add ons , Dutchfest worries me cos it is thick and purple and I dunno what the fuck is in it , some companies overdose certain ingredients to produce better results and add more stuff that is not tested as " food safe "

I still worry whether long term exposure to traces of the above ingredients / chemicals / minerals / acids will be good for me , I know smoking will fuck over my lungs , it's what's happening to my blood , sperm thats is uncertain.

When I grow outside I use the usual dead fish , chook shit water n sun method and thats all

I keep my smoke varied cos I smoke a shitload and worry about people who just smoke only hydro , maybe just buy their weed from one dodgy grower only and maybe they are poisoning themselves slowly or there kids who knows....

Asbestos was safe now people are dying from it 20 years later , the domestic use of home grown hydroponics is hitting the 20 year mark now and its my paranoia that makes me side with the HEMP bar guys on the stance on hydro , even though I smoke it 60% of the time , I won't endorse it to my friends or the public as being 100% safe to smoke 100% of the time because of the uncertainity of its contents and long term side effects. ( I'm a Health and Safety officer damm you stoners ! )

I will join in another related post but I have to go now my head hurts

[pipeman]

its true that the anti cannabis laws makes any research and regulation difficult as to the safety of hydro products designed for mj. this is just another good argument for legalisation. Its statements like these that the HEMP Bar should have in their mission statement IMO instead of adding to the mis information and paranoia about hydro.

 

but, you've got to take a balanced view of things. Look at the sources of the hydro paranoia and at what other information they present as fact. Government agencies tell us pot will make us go crazy, put holes in our brains, and is a 100 times more potent than it was 30 years ago. We know this is all crap. So for me its not hard to dismiss the hydro paranoia because it is being spread by people who are well known to bullshit to us about cannabis.

 

The other point is, if there was a scientific basis to prove that smoking hydro buds is poisenous then surely one of the many anti cannabis organisations would have proven it by now. The fact that there is a seemingly endless supply of money being pumped into the war on cannabis around the world and there is no scientific evidence to suggest hydro pot is dangerous suggests to me there is nothing to worry about.

 

Again I point out that scare tactics about cannabis psychosis is nothing new and has nothing to do with hydro. Reefer Madness came out over 50 years ago.

 

Besides, you have to put risks into perspective. You are only as healthy as your most unhealthy habit. I find it hard to take people seriously when they use artificial sweetener in their coffee while eating a piece of chocolate cake. In the same light I find it hard to take people seroiusly who fear the health dangers of hydro while they are alcoholic binge drinkers and inhale smoke into their lungs.

 

Clean up your obvious health problems first, then you might have a reason to be worried about hydro nutes.

Edited August 11, 2006 by pipeman

[SukonmiSkunk]

mulcontent,

that microwave light show your discribing happens regardless of being hydro or a soil grow.. its the nutrient trapped with in the plant, your exactly right.. this is why you NEED to flush.. and yes its usually more do with hydro...because yes.. a ot of people wont bother flushing....this is for HYDRO ONLY... once you have your water level down to roughly the same as when it goes in, like if it reads 100ppm on your tester and its down to 150ppm, thats pretty fucking clean.. considering my tap water is 550ppm, out the tap..... my rain water reads 20ppm...once the system is clean of all the built up nutrients it takes that plant at LEAST 3 days to use up eveything thats still trapped within the plant.. I leave it on straight water for 7 days.. I will aslo add fresh water every day... this gets it totaly clean.. cleaner that my bush grow...absolutlely no doubt about that....the proof is in the smoking...

now the sparks you see in the microwave are metals.. exactly right.. gald you wrote out that list for us... not one chemical there hey... as you can see iron, zinc, copper, boron.. all these are metals...minerals.. even a half assed flush will fix it... this also happens with out door soil grows.. youve heard old hippies tell ya.. dont fuckin fertilize your plant in the last 4 weeks and just feed it straight water... this is the reason for that.. as the plant also has the same trace elements from the soil... now organic.. is a shit load cleaner yes...and lets face it, its the most favoured style to any dedicated grower..and smoker... but organics does take a lot to master and a lot of people dont have the experience.. or the meens to grow organic... but to say hydro will kill you because its grown artifically is just plain ignorant, stupid. and frankly quite laughable....as I have had over fertilized out door shit...I think weve all had shit pot regardless of how it was grown... and lets face it.. growing is really down to the grower to produce a clean product by growing it right and taking the right steps at the end of the grow...outdoors or indoors...as the last 4 weeks out doors can fuck a whole seasons work as with the last 1-2 weeks indoors.. its all down to these last 2 weeks whether the plants going to be safe, safer to smoke...

[Budman2012]

Very Well said again Pipeman and SS

I'm too stoned to add anything right now ...

 

Seeya Later

[SukonmiSkunk]

the facts are the laws dont stipulate between hemp grown for fibre and hemp grown to smoke... so how they can differ MJ by the way its grown is even more stupid that the argument the Hemp Bar guys are putting across...

as Ive said every one is entitled to thier opinion regardless of whether its based on facts or personal preference.. all in all I sort of agree with thier stance.. hydroponics does need to be flushed.. more so than soil grows.. and even more so than organic grows.. thats for sure.. but if I was to use organic nutrients in my hydro system, then it still NEEDS to be flushed through..as the same elements are trapped in the plant regardless of the type of nutirent used... really its down to the way its grown to how much you flush.. hydro has a more hollow stalk than a soil grown plant.. and takes in a lot more nutrients at a lot faster rate...but, when properly flushed a hydroponicly grown plant will hold less nutrients with in the plant than any organic grow....or soil grow....

oh yeah, pipeman,

you can take a plant from indoors to out doors.. for sure.. how ever it sort of need to be done fairly early in its life.. as the indoor plant wont have the strong branching as an outdoor plant....my mate puts clones in the scrub every year.. work unreal, and all gauranteed female...

on the other hand if you prune tyour plant when it goes to the out doors it will form strong branching in no time at all....

[stonedstump]

4:20

[Tom]

yeah mate my comment was tongue in cheek of course. transplanting from indoor to outdoor is fairly common but hydro to soil mid grow? To be honest I don't know anyone who grows like this. If you do I'd be interested in reading about it. Make a thread in the growing forums if you like and if you do please PM me the link in case I miss it.

 

cheers,

pipe

I did it for years in Tasmania due to the short summer period. You start them off in hydro to get the growth speed then transplant them into the prepared ground outside removing as much of the hydro media as possible (perlite in my case) and stand back.

 

The larger plants are Bubblegum, started in hydro and transplanted outdoors at around 12" high, the smaller pots to the left were the start of a mates bush crop which got ripped off not long before harvest.

 

[BigBong.org]

webgreetings.

 

It is good that the indoor ozstoners are aware of the best/safest ways to grow "cannabis whatever indoors", this has been pointed out to me time and time again, however this means that you are simultaneously aware that without proper care it may be dangerous.

 

I take it that you have all smoked the 'commercial stuff' at some time or other, the 'stuff' which we are now 'specifically' targeting thanks to the input of ozstoners>>> here are the latest amendments to the mission statement, the "missing text" that was supposed to have been uploaded with the youtube feature we added a week or more ago, but wasn't.

 

MPORTANT NOTE: When we refer to cannabis and marijuana in our webspace, we are ONLY talking about organic outdoor cannabis. The Nimbin H*E*M*P*Bar, by 'constitutional mandate', champions ONLY outdoor cannabis, we ONLY endorse real hippy pot, totally natural, organic - CANNABIS grown with its roots in the soil and its leaves in the sun. Bush Buds.

 

We are NOT referring to Commercial / Blackmarket Indoor hydroponic cannabis, that has been scientifically/selectively bred to produce as much THC as possible in the shortest amount of time.

 

Since opening day in the H*E*M*P*Bar we hasbeens have been alerting our patrons to all of the very real dangers associated with the mechanism of "hydro" (particularly commercial) and especially in the understanding of the conspiracy (oil companies and chemical companies) that is behind the entire hydroponic industry.

 

/end

 

For the record, I spend far more time in the hempbar focusing on ;

 

3) "War on Dope Users" Donation Box - is the most highly controversial resource generating mechanism that we have in the H*E*M*P*Bar. Users of the word DOPE to refer to cannabis are asked to redeem them selves by donating a gold coin or bud.

 

using the D word to refer to cannabis is reenforcing the idea that cannabis use makes you dopey, sleepy stupid, unstable etc AKA REEFER MADNESS.

 

me? BigBong a politician? perphaps, tho I don't think of myself in such terms, I belong to no organized or official political party, I am mostly interested in the law as it relates to cannabis in general and specifically in how it obstacles the construction of a rather large Bong shaped object

 

Bottom Line, I hope the latest IMPORTANT NOTE modifications are sufficent "in general" to satisfy, and that having dealt with those 3 paragraphs, we can move further on down the page...

 

till next

 

peace

 

;O)--~