PK 13-14 and Oxyplus

[bluntman_77]

hmm im using oxyplus and pk13-14 to

 

no cloudynessh

[Luke Skywalker]

Indeed. After talking with someone from Growth Technology, they suggested treating your base water with oxyplus before any other solubles were added, thus neutralising any nasties. Oxy works almost instantly and is consumed very quickly. After say a minute or so, then you could make up your solution as required.

 

I don't understand why oxy would react with PK additives, as p and k are present in nutrient solutions generally, and you'd have a similar reaction then normally eh?

 

Growth Tech incidentally said they've never heard of such a prevention of use.

[jackfrost]

hey Luke,

 

talked to the guys at HighLife Co in Western Oz, again about the use of hydrogen peroxide when using canna pk13-14.

 

What he said is that the Canna Nutrients are a system that uses floreAB, Zym, Pk13-14 and rizotonic - together-to get the best results.

 

When you add oxyplus it destroys all the good enzymes that has been created using the system as a hole, thus you get less end result.

 

When quizzed about adding it directly to the nutrient solution causing cloudlyness, he said it is not reccommend and could cause problems - but did not tell me exactly why. - something about undiluted H202 oxidising the nutrients causing problems.

 

Personally if ya running a sterile nutes tank I think you are cutting yourself short with taste and flavor of the end product and recently have been a big fan of good fungi and bacteria to form a rizoshpere in the root area.

 

Jack

 

Jack

[Luke Skywalker]

So it's not the pk that's actually having a reaction, it's the rhizotonic and cannazym...

 

Sounds like J at canna has been trying to keep peeps off oxy to me.

 

And I do agree with you, a good rhizosphere with bacteria and fungal innoculations is definitely the way to go and by and large the future of hydroponics IMHO.

 

But Oxyplus doesn't "oxidise" nutrients.

 

Nevertheless, I still feel you could use the oxy with all of the above mentioned products, and if you were concerned about damaging the enzymes and organics inherent in some of their products, you can add it to your raw water before dosing with nutrients or other additives. As I said before, oxy is consumed almost instantaneously, so it's not going to hang around very long to destroy any goodies you may add.

 

IMHO of course.

 

Quite frankly, I would be very wary of any company which tells you that their products will always give the best results without any others. Growing is a holistic excercise, neh? I love canna products as much as the next grower, but I don't listen to (or believe) everything they say.

 

Can't wait for the BioVega and BioFlores products, wouldn't put money on canna bringing them out here, but I think there could be a niche market for them, and they'll likely release it if there's enough interest in it from the growing public. Looks cool though...

[F420]

I like smoking buds grown bio, but I grow sterile because it easier for me . I tried bio without putting bigger drains in and they got blocked,

Im now using DM guardian and foliar sprayed neem.

 

I know a guy that runs one week oxyplus, the next week biobugs.

And yes I know that they cancel each other out, But this process apparently gives good results. and good taste.

 

 

I couldnt see how the PK would react with the H202, as Ive used H202 with all sorts of PK products including Cannas.

Its the bugs that it kills.

[Luke Skywalker]

Your mate is wise, oxy is used up just about as quick as it's added to the resi, and you can certainly use organic additives with oxyplus provided the oxyplus is used before any of these items are added, and you leave the oxyplus to dissolve out for say 1/2 hr before adding organics.

 

He might be killing off his good biological cultures however if he flushes with a heavy oxyplus solution, and he won't be getting the full effect of the colonising abilities of BioBugs.

 

BioBugs and BioCanna are two very different things. BioCanna is BioDynamically certified nutrients and additives, and that's no mean feat. BioVega and BioFlores are made by extraction and mixing of various biological extracts. I can get a flyer about it if you guys are interested, and post up a picture of it?

[jackfrost]

Hey Luke,

 

Im really looking forward to both Advanced Nutrients and General Hydroponics both bringing there total organic range to Australia later on in the year.

 

Jack

[Luke Skywalker]

Yeah, me too. Canna are still considering their BIO range, but I have a feeling it will happen, too many cultivators are moving that direction to ignore them nowadays.

 

And the Advanced Nutes range looks great too, I'll be trialling their basic mixtures in my next growing exercise, (when I get to it) and will try and get a hold of the Pirahna to use as a fungal innoculation on top of the Bio-Bugs I normally use anyway.