i hate my setup

[Pickle]

Could it be excessive heat caused by poor ventilation and humidty and pH combined?

 

One reason your pH could be whacked out, did you use clean, pH adjusted water to soak your coco? Isn't coco's pH set by the water you use?

 

Can you flush the pot to change the pH, stick it in a bath or bigger container of pH adjusted water and let it do the work for you or maybe wash as much as you can off he rootball and repot in pH adjusted coco?

 

Maybe someone who has used coco before could make sense of my ramblings.

 

Ventilation serves three purposes, one: is to keep a fresh flow of carbon dioxide to the plants, two: to strengthen the stems from wind stress and three: to a small degree cool the plants.

 

I don't know what you are expecting from indoor growing, quite apart from your leaf problem, it's not a hyper grow method. The only way people get max speed out of their grows is to grow SOG and have clones veged and ready to throw into head as soon as the previous grow is finished. This doesn't mean that they are growing any faster, it just means they don't have any wasted time and are heading all the time.

 

One thing that is doing my head in, if you are living so close to other people and you have your cupboard open and windows open does the light get out? HPS scared the shit out of me the first time i lit it up, i thought a glaring light in the middle of the day was so obvious, even the light coming out of the cracks of the cupboard.

 

From what you have said, just for security, i would get a ventilation and ducting setup asap and get the cupboard shut and get the sun in the cupboard hidden. Don't think for a second that if it can be seen outside that people aren't watching.

Edited December 30, 2004 by Pickle

[WantDaChronic]

ok, where to begin....

 

Ok, from that last picture it is definitely not your light, light burn and problems look different to that, that sort of damage usually points to problems below the media. What is your ph? if using a liquid test kit aim for a "piss yellow" colour in the indicator. What brand of nutrients are you using and at what strength in what type of system? (watering times, recirc? etc) How much chlorine is in your water supply and how warm is it and the media getting during the light period? I realise that you may already have answered some of these questions but it may help to get everything into the one post at this stage.

 

pH is around 6.0-6.5 atm...the pH of water im using is piss yellow in colour when tested 5-6 on the scale on the back of the pH test kit....

 

the nutes im using came with the hydro coco...its coco grow a and coco grow b....i have given them 3 waterings with nutes, 1/4 strength first time, 1/2 strength the next 2....

 

imagine u filled a pot with coco fibre, put a tray under it then used that and only that to grow ya plants in....thats all im using...no fancy flood and drain setups or anything too high tech just yet...am too much of a broke dole bludger to do much about that

 

i havent watered in like 2 days as the medium is still damp....was watering just as the lights turned on.....as for chlorine BAH is all i got to say about that , i bought some great stuff for that and here is a pic its called Armour Coat and its designed for fish tanks....removes chlorine and chloramin, nuetralises harmfull heavy metals, protects fish, premotes healing, reduces stress...well thats what it says on the bottle anyway....gotta admit i have put this stuff in water and drunk it before and goddamn did it make a difference :thumbsup probably because the quality of water around my way is fucked but it cleared up the water a fair bit, made it taste decent instead of metal and in general was all good

 

as for the media, doesnt get warm or nothing really, stays at room temp....

 

do you know much about this cuz i'm really confused and the more i read the less i know!

 

dont worry your not alone :whistling

 

  Could it be excessive heat caused by poor ventilation and humidty and pH combined?

 

One reason your pH could be whacked out, did you use clean, pH adjusted water to soak your coco? Isn't coco's pH set by the water you use?

 

i think your right in saying its a combo of all 3......as for the pH, i made sure the water i soaked the bricks in was about 6.5pH -7.0....way high which i relise now but since then i have been watering with lower pH water to try and bring it down.....as far as im aware of, coco when expanded has the pH of the water it was soaking in...maybe slightly lower im not too 100%

 

Can you flush the pot to change the pH, stick it in a bath or bigger container of pH adjusted water and let it do the work for you or maybe wash as much as you can off he rootball and repot in pH adjusted coco?

 

when my girl gets outter the bath, the plants are going in BUT im going to boil the water first like what was suggested to me by stonedas and once that water has cooled, been treated and had its pH adjusted, then my babies are going in :smoke

 

One thing that is doing my head in, if you are living so close to other people and you have your cupboard open and windows open does the light get out? HPS scared the shit out of me the first time i lit it up, i thought a glaring light in the middle of the day was so obvious, even the light coming out of the cracks of the cupboard.

 

living where i am, i have had to turn to indoor growing as no matter what the size of the plant is, it will be stolen if its seen outdoors or if anyone knows about them....seriously people have had seedlings that sprouted like that morning stolen from them :thumbdown

 

so how do u hide a light from an open wardrobe u may ask? well i'll tell ya 2x very large ass sheets and 1x double quilt strung up over a bit of rail covering the blinds....last night a corner cam down so im going to fix that after this post but otherwise its fairly light proof....my main worry believe it or not is light getting reflected from the roof that shines down on the windows...back when i first setup my wardrobe, i went outside to check on the light and damn near shit myself when i relised how much light was leaking out because i hadnt sealed up the top of the window...was total and utter bullshit but got that all fixed so everything in the security side of things is all good

 

checked on my ladies thismorning....the 2 in the wardrobe have started to flower, the one i had outside is still veging...dunno why as the one outside must get was less light, but i guess the world works in funny ways, especially when u have the timer set for 18/6 funny thing i noticed when i put my lady outdoors thismorning...it had no more burning BUT the 2 in the setup did....i hate my setup

[WantDaChronic]

it could very well boom outdoors because it has everything mother nature intended (almost). Fresh air, big HID in the sky........... 

 

i love the comment about the big HID in the sky :smoke

 

its ashame that i cant go outdoors where i am....i know outdoor growing 100x better than i do indoors, u get better heads (most of the time), even if u dont get better buds, u sure as hell get bigger and a shit load more of a harvest per plant.....

 

i hate ghetto trash that steal plants...they should all be dragged by barbed wire around the neck or something just as pleasureable for them

[Tom]

Your ph is way to high for a run-to-waste set-up and for hydro, you should be down around 5.8 - 6.0. I would also re-pot them asap and mix the coco with perlite a a rate of 40% - 50% to improve your drainage as you are retaining too much fluid in your media.

 

I would say that would solve your dying leaf problems, the others will probably go away if you improve your ventilation and buy a nice new Son-T-Agro globe for your light.

 

[WantDaChronic]

perlite mix will have to wait another 5 days atleast :thumbdown hate getting paid fortnightly

 

but i have them soaking in the tub now in boiled water that i put armour coat in and pH down till i got a piss yellow reading of pH....

 

thanks for all the help, hopefully my babies will stop flowering and stop burning too

[Tom]

Rinse the perlite well before use and wear a dust mask, use a course perlite and don't use a vermiculite mix as that retains moisture.

 

[WantDaChronic]

isnt vermiculite real dangerous when dry?

 

i have like 2 shopping bags full of coco thats already expanded so will most likely use that with the perlite and use different pots or something...dunno yet payday will determine it all :thumbdown

[Pickle]

isnt vermiculite real dangerous when dry?

 

No matter how coarse your perlite is there will be dust in the bag, dust can coat the lungs and kill you or cause problems down the road. Use the dust mask like Tom said and a bit of common sense and you should be alright.

 

i have like 2 shopping bags full of coco thats already expanded

 

Can you soak it in pH adjusted water? It might take care of a few of the problems you have had.

 

Remember what i said before, next time this will be so much less hassle. Less to buy, more knowledge, all round it should be a lot easier on you. If you can get three ounces of good bud and some leaf to play with it will have been worth it (but here's hoping you get more).

[WantDaChronic]

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i have like 2 shopping bags full of coco thats already expanded

 

 

Can you soak it in pH adjusted water? It might take care of a few of the problems you have had.

 

actually i cant at the moment :thumbdown i used the last of my pH down when flushing out the pots over the past couple of days BUT on wednesday im going into the hydro shop and buying some proper pH adjusters and the son t agro :thumbsup

 

Remember what i said before, next time this will be so much less hassle. Less to buy, more knowledge, all round it should be a lot easier on you. If you can get three ounces of good bud and some leaf to play with it will have been worth it (but here's hoping you get more).

 

1 reason for the less hassle will be because i will already know what to expect and how to fix any problems as they arise :smoke got these forums to thank for that :smoke if i were to only get 1 oz, the system would have paid for itself but i would be way disapointed :thumbdown im hoping to get like 5 oz minimum but that all depends on how my babies go from now on ::

 

over the past couple of days, i have had the tub filled with pH adjusted water around 6.0 on the scale of things and have had my 3 ladies sitting in there.....well they have seemed to enjoy the water and the sunlight coming in the window :thumbsup still a little burning but it seems to have really slowed down but then again they havent been in the setup for like 2-3 days :thumbdown they will be going ack in shortly back on their 18/6 cycle, even the plant i had outdoors is going back in as i heard noises outside earlier this morning and fuck risking it when there is no need :whistling

 

will take some pics in a day or 2 so u can notice the changes a bit better

[WantDaChronic]

if i dont use pH down for treating the water it would be like giving them an alkaline bath....which is worse :scratchin

 

i think that i should be more worried about what the pH down is made of Sodium Biphosphate....im no good at science by any means but i remember sodium being a part of salt (this stuff tastes like salt too only reason i know is cuz i couldnt open the container and opened it with my teeth ) and dont salt and plants get along well at all :scratchin

 

either way im getting proper pH adujusting things from the hydro shop on wednesday so we'll see how things go

Edited January 1, 2005 by wantdachronic