Pain specialists ban medicinal cannabis

[seedsmanspain]

This article  https://www.smh.com.au/national/medicinal-cannabis-blacklisted-by-australian-pain-specialists-20210322-p57cyw.html

 

looked a little concerning.

 

Reading through the report though I found this gem that the SMH article neglected to mention.

 

“While IASP cannot endorse the general use of cannabinoids for treatment of pain at this time, we do not wish to dismiss the lived experiences of people with pain who have found benefit from their use,” said Andrew Rice, Professor of Pain Research, Department of Surgery and Cancer, Faculty of Medicine, Imperial College London and chair of the IASP’s Presidential Task Force on Cannabis and Cannabinoid Analgesia.

“This is not a door closing on the topic,” he added, “but rather a call for more rigorous and robust research to better understand any potential benefits and harms related to the possible use of medical cannabis, cannabis-based medicines and synthetic cannabinoids for pain relief, and to ensure the safety of patients and the public through regulatory standards and safeguards.”

 

Any thoughts ?

 

Mick

[benn0]

Yepp
The opioid epidemic narrative was transplanted here from the US for many reasons, 1 most likely being that we wanted to grow more opium straw to feed the global supply of opiates/opioids and the UN came in and said if you can crack down on misuse of opioid medication you can have it.
From the highest levels of government to the TGA and AMA and other senior doctors and even some at the pharmacy guild echoing this narrative of "opioid epidemic" is sickening, like you said we have a completely different system here yes people have died from these medications but the graphs they showed trying to explain themselves where essentially invalid and the fact we have a public health service means that people do have options regarding addiction.
The worst thing they did was send out 7,000 letters saying "we are watching your prescription of opioid medication" essentially petrifying and stunning doctors into a what can I do and what can't I do.
While yes I agree that there could have been a tightening of regulation but the way they went about it was disgusting and has probably caused more deaths from people turning to the street or alcohol or conditions being exacerbated.
Then along comes this article and people trying to knock cannabis because the UN said to Australia we can't legalize cannabis.
BUUUULLLLLLLLSSSSSHHHHHHHIIIIIIIITTTTTTT
Excuse me but ugh this really does ruffle my feathers
Give these people the option of cannabis, they need to stop their "cuckold" on cannabis they have because they are just stifling innovation by trying to create these weird strains, I'm not saying what they are doing regarding this is invalid but seriously.
Cannabis can alleviate pain and the sooner they stop this b/s the better.

I'm sorry merl1n but I had to rant, again.

Edited April 14, 2021 by benn0

[micmac]

I have 20mg opium patches , change weekly

 

Lyrica 150mg morning 300mg at night

 

Dr has to ring for approval every month no repeats , been on these for many yrs

 

I hate taking the lyrica, supposed to relax and make sleepy , for me they are like speed , can't sleep , so I only take them when I got to do something physical or I can't handle the pain any more

 

Cant afford the consultation costs , the actual price and amount supplied is ridiculous and out of my reach , rather spend my money elsewhere

 

Have to see specialist every 3 months or Canberra won't approve my scripts

 

Got no choice, got to be a criminal to get some relief

 

Helps me relax , which always has been a problem, and sleep

 

Probably the reason im still with missus after all these yrs , I can tolerate a lot more when im smashed

 

And when she in a very talkative mood and I'm not I can give her some good stuff and bingo , she's back to normal

 

Weed has many benefits

 

 

 

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[seedsmanspain]

I think Cannabis works in an entirely different (and much more difficult to quantify) manner to opiods which have a much clearer analgesic effect.

Opiods create a huge array of problems and become less and less effective with chronic use and I agree with efforts to reduce the chronic use of opiods but that needs to be done with patient needs in mind.

 

Its just silly to try and discourage opiods without offering a replacement for them, ideally replacements that are cheaper and easier to get. That isn't happening.

It is actually backwards here where medicinal cannabis is a bigger hassle to get and MUCH more expensive.

Ta

Mick

[benn0]

I think Cannabis works in an entirely different (and much more difficult to quantify) manner to opiods which have a much clearer analgesic effect.

Opiods create a huge array of problems and become less and less effective with chronic use and I agree with efforts to reduce the chronic use of opiods but that needs to be done with patient needs in mind.

 

Its just silly to try and discourage opiods without offering a replacement for them, ideally replacements that are cheaper and easier to get. That isn't happening.

It is actually backwards here where medicinal cannabis is a bigger hassle to get and MUCH more expensive.

Ta

Mick

Spot on Mick

[louise]

I hate taking the lyrica, supposed to relax and make sleepy , for me they are like speed , can't sleep , so I only take them when I got to do something physical or I can't handle the pain any more

 

 

I took lyrica for a few years and damn it was dicey. Had to make sure I had eaten the same amount of food before doses and no alcohol at all. My arms were always covered in bruises from bumping into door frames, my hands shook too much for me to use a touch screen device and every now and then, my blood levels would rise and be staggering around like drunk.

 

Can't say I was that sorry when it stopped working. I still take 25 mg at night, which is enough to stop the burning sensation in my toes and I see my doc every fortnight for targin and ordine.

 

If I need to do something more physical, I have canna oil in the freezer. Want to clean the house... canna, want to do some gardening... canna. It's not that it really blocks the pain, but it gives me enough of a barrier that I can keep going and get a bit done. The opiates do control my pain to an acceptable level, so long as I don't exert myself. 

[brandycoup]

If you've never done this before, try starting with 2g, which seems to be the threshold for effects, lower, and you won't feel anything. Dosages can vary greatly depending on the freshness of the leaf and the activity of a particular plant / strain. Fresh or freshly dried leaves are generally considered the most potent, but dried leaves are most common outside of Southeast Asia. For the treatment I use only pure https://amazingbotanicals.net/product-category/buy-kratom-strains/buy-green-kratom/, so that there are no other reactions

[seedsmanspain]

If you've never done this before, try starting with 2g, which seems to be the threshold for effects, lower, and you won't feel anything. Dosages can vary greatly depending on the freshness of the leaf and the activity of a particular plant / strain. Fresh or freshly dried leaves are generally considered the most potent, but dried leaves are most common outside of Southeast Asia. For the treatment I use only pure https://amazingbotanicals.net/product-category/buy-kratom-strains/buy-green-kratom/, so that there are no other reactions

I think people should be wary of Kratom it contains an opiod substance that interacts with other medications and is associated with liver injury.

https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/addiction/news/20191108/kratom-may-cause-liver-damage-study

Be careful

Mick

[Dingo-2008]

I took lyrica for a few years and damn it was dicey. Had to make sure I had eaten the same amount of food before doses and no alcohol at all. My arms were always covered in bruises from bumping into door frames, my hands shook too much for me to use a touch screen device and every now and then, my blood levels would rise and be staggering around like drunk.

 

Can't say I was that sorry when it stopped working. I still take 25 mg at night, which is enough to stop the burning sensation in my toes and I see my doc every fortnight for targin and ordine.

 

If I need to do something more physical, I have canna oil in the freezer. Want to clean the house... canna, want to do some gardening... canna. It's not that it really blocks the pain, but it gives me enough of a barrier that I can keep going and get a bit done. The opiates do control my pain to an acceptable level, so long as I don't exert myself. 

Hi Lou,I hope you feeling better.

 

I took Lyrica for about 2 yr an had some shit side effects,  One time I was doing some  work in my garden when I squashed 1 of my fingers with a large rock an I felt no pain 10 mins later on an I had blood dripping outer  my glove.I took the glove off F~!#%^&*k me I had a large split in 1 of my fingers about  2 " long .

 

So that rang the alarm bell for me to stop taking that medication.

 

At the moment the doctors are weaning me off the morphine ,it is called Jurnist 16 mg an it is a Hydromorphone Hydrochloride  an is very strong e:g   16mg of Jurnista is around 90 mg to 100mg of normal morphine.

 

I am having great sucsses with weaning off the  Jurnista   An I fined that by using the medical cannabis in conjunction  with the Jurnista I have had NO withdrawal  problems so far.

 

Lou over here in Western Australia they are having a big drive to get everyone off morphine in pill form so they can only priscribe them Morphine slow release patch"s.An there is a quite a few different  brands of these slow release patch's out there.

 

Hey Lou I don"t mean to freak you out Lou about the Lyrica ,But I was on the same amount as you were = 300mg of Lyrica 2 times a day ,An I even dropped my amount to 150mg 2 times a day them down to 75mg  two times a day but still had the same crap side effects.

 

All the best  to you Lou I hope things start to look up for you soon. :give_rose: :give_rose:

[seedsmanspain]

Hi Lou,I hope you feeling better.

 

I took Lyrica for about 2 yr an had some shit side effects,  One time I was doing some  work in my garden when I squashed 1 of my fingers with a large rock an I felt no pain 10 mins later on an I had blood dripping outer  my glove.I took the glove off F~!#%^&*k me I had a large split in 1 of my fingers about  2 " long .

 

So that rang the alarm bell for me to stop taking that medication.

 

At the moment the doctors are weaning me off the morphine ,it is called Jurnist 16 mg an it is a Hydromorphone Hydrochloride  an is very strong e:g   16mg of Jurnista is around 90 mg to 100mg of normal morphine.

 

I am having great sucsses with weaning off the  Jurnista   An I fined that by using the medical cannabis in conjunction  with the Jurnista I have had NO withdrawal  problems so far.

 

Lou over here in Western Australia they are having a big drive to get everyone off morphine in pill form so they can only priscribe them Morphine slow release patch"s.An there is a quite a few different  brands of these slow release patch's out there.

 

Hey Lou I don"t mean to freak you out Lou about the Lyrica ,But I was on the same amount as you were = 300mg of Lyrica 2 times a day ,An I even dropped my amount to 150mg 2 times a day them down to 75mg  two times a day but still had the same crap side effects.

 

All the best  to you Lou I hope things start to look up for you soon. :give_rose: :give_rose:

Wishing you well on your journey. as suckful as it may be at times. 

Opiods are horrible things for long term use  and I hope you find something that works for you to replace them, good luck and kudos to you.

Ta

Mick

[louise]

Hi Lou,I hope you feeling better.

 

I took Lyrica for about 2 yr an had some shit side effects,  One time I was doing some  work in my garden when I squashed 1 of my fingers with a large rock an I felt no pain 10 mins later on an I had blood dripping outer  my glove.I took the glove off F~!#%^&*k me I had a large split in 1 of my fingers about  2 " long .

 

So that rang the alarm bell for me to stop taking that medication.

 

At the moment the doctors are weaning me off the morphine ,it is called Jurnist 16 mg an it is a Hydromorphone Hydrochloride  an is very strong e:g   16mg of Jurnista is around 90 mg to 100mg of normal morphine.

 

I am having great sucsses with weaning off the  Jurnista   An I fined that by using the medical cannabis in conjunction  with the Jurnista I have had NO withdrawal  problems so far.

 

Lou over here in Western Australia they are having a big drive to get everyone off morphine in pill form so they can only priscribe them Morphine slow release patch"s.An there is a quite a few different  brands of these slow release patch's out there.

 

Hey Lou I don"t mean to freak you out Lou about the Lyrica ,But I was on the same amount as you were = 300mg of Lyrica 2 times a day ,An I even dropped my amount to 150mg 2 times a day them down to 75mg  two times a day but still had the same crap side effects.

 

All the best  to you Lou I hope things start to look up for you soon. :give_rose: :give_rose:

 

Hey Dingo,

 

I'm down to 25mg once a day with the Lyrica. Still slowly weaning off it.

 

Currently getting over an episode of brachial neuropathy (I had a complete shoulder reconstruction 20 years ago and all I need to do is sleep with my neck in a weird position to irritate the nerves that run through my right shoulder/arm/hand). Add to that, I have an abscessed tooth and a chest infection. Can't see a dentist until my covid test comes back negative (fuck knows how long that will take with the high testing rates atm), but the antibiotics do seem to be settling down the fire in my face.

 

Yeah, so average winter bullshit. I can deal with the fucked nerves and infections. So long as the lung cancer doesn't play up, I'm ok and happy enough.

 

Hope things are going ok for you.