Drivers on Drugs
Posted 06 September 2006 - 02:56 PM
and probably will still do it as i have never had an accident whilst stoned and have had a few while straight which in my book goes to show i drive better when stoned
just hope these tests dont get into every car as that would suck as they are only in the big vans atm and we wont have one down my way for ages
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Posted 06 September 2006 - 04:05 PM
aren't you supposed to be innocent untill proven guilty??
police only test for active thc in urine. so you could have smoked a joint 2 months before the crash, but you would still be to blame, just because thc is in your system dose not mean your stoned. they have to start testing for when it was last smoked! the only reason they don't is cost.
a fella at goonayella river side gold mine(top end of oz) belives that what a contractor does on his own time, has got fuck all to do with his employer, if the other employee's can write themselfs off with grog,heroin,cocane and pills and return to work after the weekend and not be detected, then it should be the same for pot smokers.
so he's came up with a cost affective piss tester, that only detects up to 12 hours prior use, which is what they should be using on the roads.
i'll find the artical (it was in the mines monthly mag) and post a thread on it.
obviosly i smoke and drive,
Posted 11 August 2007 - 04:08 PM
PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 2:18 am Post subject: Cannabis and Driving - what do the experts say? Reply with quote
From the old forums, thanks GaianMindAssistant and evolushroom.
Posted - 30 Jun 2005
Cannabis and Driving?
What do the experts say?
from HEMP SA article on driving and Cannabis
This page includes references to several good articles about Cannabis & driving as well as a message from one of Australia's leading scientists.
Marijuana safer than drink, says crash study, The Advertiser
If alcohol could be replaced by marijuana it would be a major road safety advance, one of Australia's leading road safety specialists claims...
Cannabis cleared in report on road toll, The Australian (undated)
Motorists who use Cannabis are no more likely to be involved in a fatal collision than drivers who are drug free, a study by the Victorian Institute of Forensic Pathology says...
Drink, not Cannabis causes road deaths LTE by Dr Alex Wodak, The Australian
Marijuana's Effects on Actual Driving Performance by HWJ Robbe, Institute for Human Psychopharmacology, University of Maastricht, The Netherlands
(A paper presented at the 13th International Conference on Alcohol, Drugs & Traffic Safety, Adelaide SA. )
Cannabis & Driving by Dr Greg Chesher
I want to mention the present understanding about Cannabis and driving. You may already be quite familiar with these studies, but in case you are not, the following might interest you. The law about alcohol which proscribes driving with BAC >0.05 g% blood alcohol has been determined by epidemiological studies employing the case-control method. At 0.05g% the driver is about twice as likely to be involved in a crash as a driver with zero BAC. As the BAC increases, so in a very steep fashion, does the probability of being involved in a crash. The role of alcohol in road crashes has been very clearly demonstrated. The drink-driving laws are based upon sound science!
As for other drugs, including Cannabis, the pharmacokintetics do not permit this technique. There is no correlation between the blood concentration of Cannabinoids and impairment as determined on laboratory tasks. Furthermore, the study would require the taking of blood from the crash involved drivers as well as that of the control drivers--not involved in a crash. There is no equivalent to the alcohol breathalyser. Cannabinoids are not excreted on the breath. (It is the collection of adequate data from a control group that really precludes the case-control method). So to overcome this, the technique of "culpability analysis" has been employed.
In this case, data for crashes are presented to an independent group of observers who are ignorant (blind) as to whether any of the drivers had any drug at all in their blood. By studying the information of the crash (events before and up to the crash) a score apportioning the degree of blame to each driver is given. From this "culpability" is determined.
So far there have been four studies using this technique, two in the USA and two in Australia.
As far as Cannabis is concerned, it is quite remarkable that in all cases the results were so similar as to be the same finding. The culpability ratio for the drivers bearing Cannabinoids in blood revealed that they were no more likely to be considered as a cause of the crash as those who had no drugs at all in their blood. Indeed in each of these four studies the Cannabinoid drivers were less (but not significantly so) likely to have been a cause than those with no drug at all. In all of these studies alcohol-bearing drivers were overwhelmingly culpable.
So at the moment, the present data suggest that cannabis is not involved as a causative factor in road crashes.
Two things must be considered. First, it is early days so far. The total number of cases in all of these studies totals about 9000 or a little less.
Second, the determination of the culpability score is dependent upon the integrity of the initial data describing the accident. In most cases this is from the attending police. This is not always reliable. However, as the numbers increase with more studies, we will have more confidence with the findings.
There is another Australian study currently being analysed and is due to be released shortly.....SOON is the advice I have from the author.
Posted 20 September 2019 - 02:15 PM
Posted 20 September 2019 - 07:09 PM
NEVER DRINK AND DRIVE PEOPLE IT KILLS.
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Posted 20 September 2019 - 07:24 PM
If we are going by official terms then according to the poo poo i would always drive whilst stoned, even though i think i aint..
Being a regular daily smoker i think i would test positive every day going by current standards..
Or is there a distinction between being stoned and having THC in your system..???
Posted 20 September 2019 - 07:37 PM
People have different thresholds\tolerences too.
A normal decent driver may be unsafe after a small amount of whatever.
Some daily smokers would technically be over the limit but be un affected and far safer than somebody after alcohol.
Retard driver may drive better with a smoke.....or go full retard..... Which is more common
Too many variables, too many shit drivers.
It must be driver education or something
Or they are giving out free drivers licences at the nut shops or something.
So many retards on the roads.
I'm facinated there are not more accidents.
No offence to any people who have lost loved ones on the road.
Driving should be a privelige not a right
Edited by Carbcon, 20 September 2019 - 07:38 PM.