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** All this is entirely theoretical
** and not in any way a reflection
** of something that I would do

Fuckin - yada yada yada

Main question. Where the hell in Australia can you buy CMH/LEC grow light fixtures? On the web!

So far the only source I have found is a WHOLESALER (damn, no retail) and besides it is in Seacliff Park SA (another damn it).

http://www.stealth-garden.com/product/lighting/hi-par-315w-sunstorm-kit/

And why damnit? Even if they sold retail, I live in fuck all rural SA, can't physically endure the travel, and anything you buy with PLASTIC at a hydro shop in SA (even online) gets your details sent to the coppers instantly so they can come pay you a visit (fukin’ reefer madness).

But there IS a wholesaler for Sunstorm 315w kits. And that must mean that SOMEBODY must be selling them in their shops. So who? Does anyone have an online source? Will I have to buy from another country?

I really need a NON South Australia source, in this country, for the lights I want.

I will probably have to go using MARS II 700s for the veg space (one of their only vaguely dependable models), but I need something better for the flowering, and ceramic fits the bill.

But where the hell can they be found?

There is a bigger explanation to our life situation, but lets say we live isolated for health reasons, and we cannot endure travel or breathe in the main city suburbs. That is not negotiable,

This was all so much easier when I was disabled but well employed and just needed to provide for my lady. I had a social life back then and it was Adelaide after all.

Anyway, I will need to produce. It has been a long time but I know how. Lighting tech is much better now.

- - Types of Lights - -

LED? I’d love to be able to afford the BlackDog Phytomax 800 LED units, but nobody in Australia sells them (so border tariff and nosey people) and beside I could buy a car for the cost of each one and we live on DSP.

HPS is old hat. Lots of wasted photons in the wrong spectrum, the heat kills you on the inverse square law unless you can afford really expensive cooled fixtures.

CMH/LEC is very tempting. Way more efficient than HPS, nowhere near the price of quality LED units (I would rather not have to give up and use MARS II 700s). But ceramic is very hard to buy in Australia. I can’t drive around and shop in person (I don’t go out very often & we live in bloody hell nowhere) and the online shops that are not not overseas are lacking in these lights.

–- All the rest of the crap, feel free to skip the saga of woe –-
–- more about why I must produce –-

We have a shit ton of serious medical issues. My lady nearly starved to death a few times from pain created nausea. She has fuck tons wrong with her; autoimmune crap and connective tissue disorders and many other long named conditions, several of which WE (well we are smart, she was in university at age 9) had to diagnose for our selves and then “ever so gently” HINT to a specialist that she might have em.

- “Hey doc, I know I’m no doctor but she has these symptoms, remember those, and I read in medical journal about this condition where...”
–- “hey you’re right. It looks like she is the ‘poster child’ for that condition. How did I miss that?”

 ... (perhaps his head being stuck up his ass makes it hard to do real science based medicine)

They are such morons at time. Nearly all of them are 30 years behind (even speand our GPs usually can’t even do basic maths right (not joking). Most of the docs are useless. They never read and have no lust for science. Our two good ones are gone (the diagnostician retired, the other one moved to Morocco). We used to have amazing conversations on all sorts of scientific topics with that diagnostician.

Me? My health is a joke. I have two precancerous things (which I can no longer get tested for every year, with the Medicare changes) and I neither produce not absorb (properly) vitamin D (and that raises the risk a lot). I have at least 7 chronic pain conditions (those they have managed to name) & 1 that has no name – oh ya - and another long named condition that effects my bone marrow and makes me clot to fuck and gone and temporary killed me almost two years ago. Why? Because the various doctors could not be bothered to treat me - for a condition that normally kills people with 2 ½ years of being diagnosed if they are not treated, and they knew I had it for a decade. fucking irresponsible..

I took years to get them to admit I had it (one very cheap test) and after that the docs KNEW for certain, they all played "make someone else be responsible" for doing the 134 minute office procedure ever other month.  So it as back and forth with the Royal Adelaide Hospital and the GP docs. Nobody was willing to treat me until **AFTER** I threw a huge clot and it stopped my heart.

Yeah - no heart beat at all – just three days of increasing pain (which is not unusual for me) and then I am told that I “sighed” and thud (I hit the floor). And there was my wife in HER condition doing 25 mins of CPR on me with the offspring looking on talking to 000. I am told my face was dark purple while I was dead. The hypoxic brain injury has been an issue.

Life has been interesting since then because I am so fukin tired all the time. When I do go over to growing (and man I really see no other real choices) – setting it all up will hurt me a lot. I will need new gear.

There is heavy lifting and all that and it will suck. Shit, I can barely get out of bed most days. So until the first harvest comes in I will be “death standing up”. With any luck I will not be “death lyin down” again.

All our medical problems would benefit from MC, especially whole plant concentrates. But running a continual harvest system (say 2 plants a month) using SIPS and probiotic gardening means having a fair number of ladies at each stage (clone, in veg to be shaped and popped [sCROG] and those in flower). Probably 36 to 48 girls at a time - which scares the shit out of me due to the laws, especially “Proceeds of Crime” shit that they now have, and no more 10 plant plan.

These days 1 plant inside, in the dirt & under lights, is a criminal offence. Even a plant OUTSIDE can put you into the "anti hydro Murdoch bullshit laws" if you have anything on the property that looks like a fertilizer or a grow light.

Oh a jury or a magistrate might show compassion on the “manufacturing” charge and just give me a tiny fine and say “stop that it’s bad”, but the “Proceeds of Crime”process is entirely separate and they don’t have to prove you profited to take everything you own (including grabbing the money in your accounts without notice, & kicking you out of your house and selling the thing before the formality of "Proceeds of Crime" trial even happens).

So growing will be very stressful and I do not need stressful, but everybody staying alive would be nice

I can’t buy it. I am too poor. I no longer know anybody. A social life is necessary to have contacts and that ship sailed when I got sick. I could not drive into the Adelaide suburbs even if I had a contact. I am in way too much pain and have too much exhaustion. The distance is beyond me.  These heath issues have made us live totally isolated other than on the web.

And she is being taken off of the last of her pain meds. The nerve pain is being a bit much. So, I have no real choices left.

So that is life as it is, and today is not forever.

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Glandore hydro, a site sponsor here sell the LEC/CMH fixtures, I have only ever dealt with them in person but they do have an online store that posts which several members take advantage of.

 

Hydro experts online store also stock the fixtures and have free postage on large orders like that.

 

hope that helps you a bit,

 

grow your own is definitely the way to go :)

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maybe these guys can help in Vic though http://www.exceldistributors.com.au/Excel-Hydroponics/Lighting need to call them not all they have is on the web site 

last time i was there we were talking LEP light emitting plasma

 

sips can be a little tricky at times but people are producing some really nice looking meds that way , i've just brought a blumat system haven't installed yet but if all go's 

well i'll use them outdoors as well 

 

you could look into light dep & grow outdoors under the sun , i'm popping seeds in Aug for the start of light dep season that will go though to march 2017 ,

pop seeds each month or start clones & pull flowering plants each month at the other end , first lot of flower 12/12 will start in oct & pull early dec then

jan , feb , march , need an outdoor light flurro or something like that to keep plants in veg then a cover or move the plants to a dark spot , sounds like covering 

might be less of a prob than lifting pots indoors for 12/12 , just a thought , good luck man 

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Hey PM, i feel for you , ...........These fucked laws & the merry band of misfits running this country, lining the pockets of the already to wealthy, at the expence of ill people, there a mob of  arseholes,  & lets not excempt centrelink , brain dead morons, there only excuse , not being able to help , is there under instruction from the misfits..........90% of doctors dont want to know us, to hard, & as you rightly say, pass the buck , if it doesnt come from a medicine bottle, there not interested, & refuse to listen..........A 60 year old friend of mine has stomach cancer, & it has moved to a few other organs, shes not good, & after all the normal treatments, Radio, Cemo, Pills, its still growing, & she refuses a stronger dose of Cemo, instead she got sum legal Canna oil from Vic, thru the post, dear as shit , she takes 1 drop a day in a teaspoon of honey,  she has had 2 scans scince shes been on the oil , 3 months apart, both  scans have been the same  NO futher growth, at this stage its not showing a reduction, but it has completely stop its growth, at the moment, she also reports a slight pain reduction, the docs wont except, the oil has anything to do with it & its just remission for now,,......good shit that honey...................So ill people such as ourselves, have to self medicate, because of our wonderfull system, but its illegal, what a load of crap!!!  ..........How any magistrate could look at our age & condition  & convict us on criminal grounds, for trying to deliver a basic right to Chronic & Accute pain releif, that the system cant deliver, needs to go sit on a dropper for a while, & experience what were subjected to  24/7

 

Now  im not suggesting for 1 sec that everybody will respond to CBD, but if it helps sum, thats a bonus

As for lights, my experience is the LED's  are almost there,  but you have to go big, which is not possible, but the power saving is huge, the  best lesson ive been taught is grow a few less but learn to grow them well

1 other topic you touched on was a pot in the backyard in summer being watered with a can of fert every week is a criminal offence, i was under the belief, they just took it  thats if thats all you had  & you got a fine in the mail & no conviction??  I live 2 hours south of Adelaide, & every year i hear of people with 1 in the backyard, they get caught sum how,(mainly nosey neibours) the cops come search ya house, take ya pipe, & tin & the plant,  a week or so later a bluey in the post, payable at the PO, & no court apperance (2 plants is a different matter)??

 

I wish you all the best, & hope you find answers,  if i can assist, contact me (sum how)  good luck  to you & the wife

 

NUTTER3

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Thank for all the help on locations. This would all be so much easier if I could go places (drive there, pop in, drop down cash and away you go) but then if I could do that I wouldn't be in this much need of pain management now would I...

So far we have :
 

Glandore hydro - (they are in SA, so if you use plastic online, your details are forwarded to the coppers so they can visit you - it's the law)
 

Hydro experts online - (Lidcombe, NSW 2141 Australia) so no annoying SA laws on tracking who buys lights

backstreettraders.com - (6/8 Lindsay Road Lonsdale. SA; so once again we have the record of your purchase sent to the cops)

hyaliteonline (EBAY
Hyalite Hydroponics; Phone: 0755937535   so not in SA)
 

This gives me place to start

This was all so much easier with only one badly disabled person in the house.

Thanks again to everyone for their advice. And as always - today is not forever (even if it seems that way at times).

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Thank for all the help on locations. This would all be so much easier if I could go places (drive there, pop in, drop down cash and away you go) but then if I could do that I wouldn't be in this much need of pain management now would I...

So far we have :

 

Glandore hydro - (they are in SA, so if you use plastic online, your details are forwarded to the coppers so they can visit you - it's the law)

 

Hydro experts online - (Lidcombe, NSW 2141 Australia) so no annoying SA laws on tracking who buys lightsbackstreettraders.com - (6/8 Lindsay Road Lonsdale. SA; so once again we have the record of your purchase sent to the cops)hyaliteonline (EBAY Hyalite Hydroponics; Phone: 0755937535   so not in SA)

 

This gives me place to start

This was all so much easier with only one badly disabled person in the house.

Thanks again to everyone for their advice. And as always - today is not forever (even if it seems that way at times).

Backstreet wouldn't give your details to the cops I can assure you that, I would be happy to purchase the kit and send it to you if that helps?

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And I just found these people : https://www.eppinghydroponics.com.au/hi-par-315-watt-lec-light-kit.html

I am wondering about the spectrum difference between the different bulbs, and the PAR distribution across the footprint.

i am also finding info in the footprint of the 315s that does not line up with peoples grow diary claims.

When I start up again (I hope) I have two primary areas that can be made smaller by hanging some panda-plastic, but each one is :    Height =7foot/213 CM, Width=5 feet/152cm, depth=6 feet/183cm

In the past I have often used only half that space for my flowering area.

cultivationlighting.com claims that the footprint of a SUN SYSTEMS LEC315 is only 2.1 feet square (and optimally 18 inches from the canopy) which seems pretty close to that of a 400 watt HPS to me. Anything closer than 18 inches and you need an expensive way to dump heat, or you will get browning of the top of the plants. Mind you the 315 has a far better spectrum.

If that is indeed the case (footprint = 2.1 square feet) then I would need to buy quite a few of these. A 1.5m x 1.5m space would require 4 of them (at about $900 a piece or say $3600 just for the flowing area). Compare that to the top of the line LED (the only ones worth bothering with) ... a BlackDog Phytomax 800 is about $2772 (plus shipping), which makes the 315s MORE expensive that the best LED fixture made, unless you get a bad deal on your shipping costs.

And now I have this desire to see a side by side comparison of BlackDog Phytomax 800 to CMH 351s in a 5x5 space (with reflective walls) and I want PAR readings across the footprint (in a 10cm grid) across both of them.

People say all sorts of things about the 315s on yield and footprint, but the footprint I find on the manufacture sites says 2.1 feet square at 18 inches from canopy. That means you would need 4 of them to cover the same area as one Phytomax 800, which puts them close to the same price ballpark too (due to international shipping to Australia).

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