Toads ;)

[billygoat]

Hi all,

 

I have a rather large abundance of toads around at the moment...

 

Have heard a few tales of growers burying fish, sheep, whatever below their outdoor grows.

 

I am planning a new outdoor grow, should I bury them at the bottom of the hole ? I currently have a freezer full and will be digging holes this weekend for almost immediate planting out

Edited November 30, 2015 by billygoat

[The Stoned Jester]

I don't see why not ... it will turn into decomposing matter eventually anyway.   just be like blood and bone.

[mastertig]

yer

google cane toad fertilizer

years ago a batch of toad fert blew

was bound for mitre ten i think

blew in a paddock vs shelfs

but id think like any animal with time will be great addition to plot

all the best

 

they touh creatures

i run em over with car

next morn they gone

sucked in gutsnand off to torment some1 else

i also dont wipper snip

i pull the fense weeds bymhand

Amazin thenamount of toads hiding in day

if i dont get 3 with mower im a depressed man

Edited November 30, 2015 by mastertig

[RickShawRyder]

Might be nice to get some sort of effect of the poison. Glad there's no Toads down my way. Worked up near Moura in QLD years ago & they were crazy, Toad baseball on a quiet night was always fun.

[The Stoned Jester]

yeah I was thinking about that ... would any of the Bufotenin leak from the skin and get absorbed by the plant?

[itchybromusic]

yeah I was thinking about that ... would any of the Bufotenin leak from the skin and get absorbed by the plant?

Very good point , well worth the research B4 going ahead , i don't think it's a prob but would def look in to it first

 

If it turns out cool use some bokashi in the whole first , handful , toad , another handful & cover should help to breakdown faster

& also if running organics mix about 2% of bokashi though the soil with compost & or vermicast for the same faster breakdown of

organic matter & keep well mulched 

 

Ps If you do this & see white hairy stuff under your mulch don't be alarmed this is good 

Edited December 1, 2015 by itchybromusic

[itchybromusic]

C&P from http://permaculturenews.org/forums/index.php?threads/cain-toad-recycling.13680/ Oct 2014

 

recycling cane toads responce
 

I contacted Rob at University of Queensland with the following letter

Good morning Rob
I propose a question or questions re recycling cane toads.I hope this is within your expertise and thank you in advance for your consideration.

My question is. 
1)Is possible to recycle dead cane toads through a black soldier fly composting farm.
These fly lava seem to eat anything including meat. Is it possible that the toad toxin would not affect this stage of the fly?
2) If this is possible is there a toxin left in the lava that could effect chickens or fish ( the destination for the harvested lava)
3) If this is possible could the eggs be safe for humans 

​

I am prepared to do a trial in my own property but wonder if this research has been done in the past. 

Robs responce is as follows.

Hi John

Thanks for the questions - and they do fall within my area of expertise.


Adult cane toads contain quite a large load of toxin, which include molecules that are both cardiotoxic, and also highly cytotoxic - both very bad news

if they got in to the food chain, as evidenced by the deadly effect on native Australian predators. Our studies have shown that these toxins can be

degraded by certain bacteria, so provided the composting system contained the appropriate bacteria, or mimicked the effect of these bacteria, it should

be possible to degrade the toxins. That said, if a batch of composted toads did not go as planned, and if low levels of toxin made it through the process,

the consequences could be dire. To be safe you would need to do analytical studies to demonstrate that the process did indeed degrade ALL the toxins

with a clear safety margin, and you would need to put in place very rigorous SOPS (Standard Operating procedures) to ensure that this outcome was

achieved for every batch - most likely including batch to batch toxin testing. My personal view is that this is a lot of work for a bit of extra chook feed,

and that the associated risk would not be worth the return.


If you have a surplus of dead toads I have a better suggestion. Donate them to science. We are currently working to bring a cane toad tadpole trap to market,

which uses chemically modified cane toad toxin as a natural attractant - to catch and eliminated tadpoles from water bodies. This requires that we process a

large number of dead toads, to extract and purify the toxin. We are still developing our extraction process, so are always in the need of dead cane toads.

All we require is that they be frozen - to avoid any bacterial degradation of the toxins.

Regards
Rob Capon

Edited December 1, 2015 by itchybromusic

[itchybromusic]

So i'd go with , No , not a good idea by the sound of it 

but like your thinking behind the idea though 

Edited December 1, 2015 by itchybromusic

[Naycha]

I think that toads as plant fertiliser are very different to toads as part of a stock feeding regime. These people think it's great for bananas and paw paws.
 

 

Toads to be juiced

 

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/its-new-toad-juice/2006/01/25/1138066843784.html

 

January 25, 2006 - 3:24PM

 

Experts are preparing to whip up Australia's first batch of cane toad liquid fertiliser - Toad Juice - as Darwin wages war on the toxic pest.

 

As Darwin residents prepare to trap and kill invading toads, experts - fearing fly plagues and other health hazards - have come up with the innovative way of disposing of hundreds of thousands of rotting toad carcasses.

 

Community-based FrogWatch says the group had now stockpiled enough carcasses - 200 kg of dead cane toads - from the battle against the pest in Darwin's outskirts to begin mulching the toad.

 

It is hoped the fertiliser - said to be great on banana and pawpaw plants - will eventually be sold to the public.

 

"We've probably got enough toads in the stockpile now to get it kickstarted," FrogWatch coordinator Graeme Sawyer said.

 

"We might get the toads over there next week."

 

Organic fertiliser producer Moeco has agreed to help whip up a trial first batch of the gooey product.

 

"We are prepared to do a trial batch for them (FrogWatch) to see what the problems are, to see how the process needs to be modified," Moeco managing director Dean Walkley said.

 

However he is sceptical about the business viability of such a product, and concerned about the stench the product will produce in the company's headquarters.

 

The 200 kg of dead toads is expected to make up about 300 litres of fertiliser.

 

The toads will be mixed with an alkaline chemical to allow the "digestion process", expected to take 24 hours, he said.

 

The mixture would then be mixed with organic molasses products to help the bacterial decomposition, before trace element mixtures are added to "make it a balanced fertiliser".

 

Still, FrogWatch hopes any money raised could eventually be funded into a new toad collection service for Darwin.

 

The proposal - to be put to authorities formally later this year - includes a toad collection and disposal service, possibly run through the Larrakia Nation, and live collection bins where residents can drop-off their live unwanted pests.

 

Cane toads could be hopping into Darwin's outskirts within weeks, with 10 toads spotted in the nearby satellite town of Palmerston in the past fortnight.

 

Thousands of toads were first released in Queensland 70 years ago to kill sugar cane pests.

 

They have since marched across Australia - poison sacks killing millions of native animals from lizards to crocodiles - including in the world heritage-listed Kakadu National Park.

 

"It is clear that community sentiment is to resist the invasion, that the majority of Darwin and Palmerston citizens are prepared to take matters into their own hands and will kill and trap toads that arrive on their land," the proposal says.

 

"This will create a disposal problem - thousands, even hundreds of thousands of toads will need to be disposed of in ways that do not create a health hazard, do not end up in rubbish bins, do not create fly plagues and other unpleasant and health hazardous side effects."

 

There has been fierce debate over the best way to kill a cane toad since federal MP Dave Tollner last year called on locals to pick up their golf clubs and turn the eradication of the pest into a new blood sport.

 

In a bizarre twist, the RSPCA this week suggested residents try wiping haemorrhoid cream on the toad - to have an anaesthetising effect - then putting them into the freezer.

AAP

 

[Naycha]

 

 

"Toad Juice" Buyers Warned Bottles Could Explode Due To Fermentation

Manufacturers of a liquid fertiliser consisting of cane toads say that "toad juice" bottles could explode.  Northern Territory FrogWatch, which sold 300 bottles of the juice at Darwin's Garden Spectacular said recently that the liquid inside the batch is still in the process of fermenting and may explode.  The company requested customers who have not opened their fresh bottles to turn the caps a little to let some of the pressure out; or else, the may risk getting sprayed with the sticky juice.

Graeme Sawyer, of Frog Watch, said the liquid is no longer contains any harmful poison in it.  He added, "There's no toxin left in it by the time it's been through the fertilizer process...  It's an inert substance in that sense, so there's no problem there...  The issue just is that because it was such a fresh batch, it's still producing gas."  Sawyer warned, "If you've got it in the bottle and the lid's sealed tightly, it builds up pressure in the bottle."

Source: wayodd.com 18 September 2006