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[louise]

Well maybe I was stressing abit to much, the thought of harming anyone's garden is a heavy load. Cheers for the peace of mind.

Thank you Naycha for the quick fix up. We are but stoners I'll keep that in mind

I'm going to copy and paste whatever I can to try avoid my typos.

If only more people put that much thought into their posts I would be very happy indeed. With the typos... I am a stoner, but I like my spelling to be accurate so I use an inline spellchecker... spelling mistakes come up underlined in red... you should be able to get an add on to your prefered web browser.

 

Wow, what a year to look back on Louise...I don't know what to say really as it would be quite personal but I'm Wishing you all the best for the future and with the redesigning the garden, sounds like a good plan

Thanks, it has been a big year. I've been forced to redesign the back garden to provide clear access from the front driveway to the back yard. Otherwise, it was too going to be to hard for me to get my new harley out of the back yard

 

I've just planted a couple of zucchinis in an experimental bed... the bed had a little bit of soil/compost/coco dust in the base, but not enough for planting. So I have been filling the bed with the contents of old and derelict pot plants, shredded wheat straw, lawn clip and all the fruit scraps. Watering and and aerating the various scraps every few days, incorporating it with the underlying medium.

 

I've added scraps to the top in the last week and watered, but hadn't mixed and aerated until today. When I put the claw into it today, just beneath the surface I found a 5cm deep layer of mycelium covering the bed. I wanted to mix a little more of the base soil mix into the upper layers so I got out a garden fork and found the earthworm activity just a couple of cms under the mycelium layer... I had never seen the composting process so clearly in one of my own beds.

 

I had been able to leave the bed and just keep adding organic materials... I would have, but I need a spot for a couple zucchinis. Thus the bed was partially turned with a garden fork and topped up the planting site with 'premium' potting mix and mushroom compost, then incorporated with the claw hoe.

 

I hadn't added any fertiliser to the bed (apart from that which was in the potting mix and I have tomatoes yellowing in the same mix... so it ain't got that much available nitrogen innit)and zuch's are pretty heavy feeders... I'll be watching their performance against other transplanted zuchs in the garden.

 

Have a good one,

[Swftroml]

Been a full on week. Hope your all are travelling well

So it turns out once again I need to correct myself! I am living in a constant state of amnesia, CCs recipe is what I first suggested(28 grams mbg to 4 litres water) and before I started up this season is what I would use before...

 

Quote CC-

"Weigh out 1 oz. of malted barley grain and grind that in a coffee grinder to a powder. Add this to 1 gallon of water and let that steep for 4 hours and apply to the soil.

 

If you 'brew' this as I think I understand the term as you're using it then you will be dealing with Acetic acid which will cause huge problems in you soil.

 

VOE"

 

So I went to run my test with it at what I thought was the 4x stronger and it clicked...this is normal strength! Fookin idiot

 

Sent from my iPad

If only more people put that much thought into their posts I would be very happy indeed. With the typos... I am a stoner, but I like my spelling to be accurate so I use an inline spellchecker... spelling mistakes come up underlined in red... you should be able to get an add on to your prefered web browser. Thanks, it has been a big year. I've been forced to redesign the back garden to provide clear access from the front driveway to the back yard. Otherwise, it was too going to be to hard for me to get my new harley out of the back yard ;)I've just planted a couple of zucchinis in an experimental bed... the bed had a little bit of soil/compost/coco dust in the base, but not enough for planting. So I have been filling the bed with the contents of old and derelict pot plants, shredded wheat straw, lawn clip and all the fruit scraps. Watering and and aerating the various scraps every few days, incorporating it with the underlying medium.I've added scraps to the top in the last week and watered, but hadn't mixed and aerated until today. When I put the claw into it today, just beneath the surface I found a 5cm deep layer of mycelium covering the bed. I wanted to mix a little more of the base soil mix into the upper layers so I got out a garden fork and found the earthworm activity just a couple of cms under the mycelium layer... I had never seen the composting process so clearly in one of my own beds.I had been able to leave the bed and just keep adding organic materials... I would have, but I need a spot for a couple zucchinis. Thus the bed was partially turned with a garden fork and topped up the planting site with 'premium' potting mix and mushroom compost, then incorporated with the claw hoe.I hadn't added any fertiliser to the bed (apart from that which was in the potting mix and I have tomatoes yellowing in the same mix... so it ain't got that much available nitrogen innit)and zuch's are pretty heavy feeders... I'll be watching their performance against other transplanted zuchs in the garden.Have a good one,

Haha love it Louis, Nothing quite like a bike to put fire back in the heart

Oh cheers mate, good tip. I try to be precise so I don't misinform but look where that got us . I use a tablet, inbuilt spell check FTW!

 

Whooa, exploding with life How your zuchs going? Very curious to see your results at the end of season. I don't have much of a grasp when it comes to that sort of thing so I won't try to guess what's going on in there. Reminds me abit of the "no-dig" method of setting up a bed where the medium is composting as the plants grow. It could work out well for you Louis. What's your thoughts on it?

 

All the best

[louise]

So far the zucchinis are going okay... they really were too large to transplant and have lost a few of the older leaves... but there is new growth and I am still adding the fruit scraps and eggshells around the edges and the chook is still picking them over and adding some nitrogen poop bombs. I have transplanted another pair of zucchinis to a soil and coco bed that I prepared for greens, so I have something to compare it with come the fruiting season.  

 

When I first built the raised beds I went with a layered (composting) approach because I didn't have enough soil/compost to fill beds. First up the beds were infested with cock chafers, so I decided to empty each bed into barrows and pick them out by hand rather than poison the beds and kill all the soil life. The chook and one of the dogs help, they love the larvae. Then I had to move several beds, replace a couple the white ants destroyed, and another redesign, so it hasn't been very 'no dig' thus far...  but that is the eventual aim.

 

In other garden news, in all the years I have been growing cucumbers, I never knew you were supposed to prune out the side side shoots. Thanks to some random gardening channel at youtube, I have the best looking cucumber vines I have ever grown. I'll have to wait and see if it improves the harvest.

 

Happy Gardening

Edited November 26, 2015 by louise

[itchybromusic]

So far the zucchinis are going okay... they really were too large to transplant and have lost a few of the older leaves... but there is new growth and I am still adding the fruit scraps and eggshells around the edges and the chook is still picking them over and adding some nitrogen poop bombs. I have transplanted another pair of zucchinis to a soil and coco bed that I prepared for greens, so I have something to compare it with come the fruiting season.  

 

When I first built the raised beds I went with a layered (composting) approach because I didn't have enough soil/compost to fill beds. First up the beds were infested with cock chafers, so I decided to empty each bed into barrows and pick them out by hand rather than poison the beds and kill all the soil life. The chook and one of the dogs help, they love the larvae. Then I had to move several beds, replace a couple the white ants destroyed, and another redesign, so it hasn't been very 'no dig' thus far...  but that is the eventual aim.

 

In other garden news, in all the years I have been growing cucumbers, I never knew you were supposed to prune out the side side shoots. Thanks to some random gardening channel at youtube, I have the best looking cucumber vines I have ever grown. I'll have to wait and see if it improves the harvest.

 

Happy Gardening

Hey Lu 

Just found this single Q & A & thought i'd share ,

bokashi in your pots / ground , although not the standard bokashi you buy off the shelf or make but works the same

think of it like this , bokashi off the shelf is like a standard seed raising mix , where as his bokashi

would be like canna terra in comparison , a bit more full on

 

  Q , explain the premises and recipes of probiotic farming ?

 

  A , Probiotic Farming is when biomimicry is honored and the plant is

 

       fed from the mulch layer allowing the mycelium we foster under it

 

       to deliver the correct amount of nutrient density to the plant

 

 

  A , (part 2) , We also Biohack biomimicry with the water saving, frog habitat creating

 

                      sub irritated planter Originally I proved mycodelivery by placing my plant foods in an

 

                      elevated position that roots could not reach but mycelium could.

 

part 2 is about his SIP's he likes to use but top feeding/mycelium premise the same as soil no till

 

anyways cheers Lu 

Edited November 27, 2015 by itchybromusic

[louise]

+1 Itchy

 

For a really good understanding of soil life... you can't go past Dr. Elaine Ingham... it's long and it's lecture style but it's packed full of microbiol information.

 

video -> -> ->

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXBIxFAxtlQ

 

Edited November 28, 2015 by louise

[itchybromusic]

+1 Itchy

 

For a really good understanding of soil life... you can't go past Dr. Elaine Ingham... it's long and it's lecture style but it's packed full of microbiol information.

 

video -> -> ->

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXBIxFAxtlQ

 

soil food web.jpg

yeah agree & have seen that & many others as you have as well , however she does seem to have a dim view of using EM 

in any garden system , she mentions Fukuoka's one straw revolution & using that system but in other convo's & interviews 

she seems to suggest keeping away from this system , i so far haven't found any of her reasoning for this , some would 

suggest it's because the Fukaoka system , in part or full has been embraced by some in the canna community , i think she smarter 

than that so would love to fine more on her discussing this  

[louise]

yeah agree & have seen that & many others as you have as well

I meant it more for anyone who was following along more than you itchy, I thought you would have seen it.

 

however she does seem to have a dim view of using EM in any garden system , she mentions Fukuoka's one straw revolution & using that system but in other convo's & interviews she seems to suggest keeping away from this system , i so far haven't found any of her reasoning for this , some would suggest it's because the Fukaoka system , in part or full has been embraced by some in the canna community , i think she smarter 

than that so would love to fine more on her discussing this

Can you direct me to something on the above? Apart from the day long lecture, I have only seen a vid on composting...

 

I remember getting told about Fukuoka's One Straw Revolution back in the late 1980's... my ex was interested because of the 'do nothing' idea... granted in application it wasn't very successful. It's probably time I revisited OSR... older, hopefully wiser, maybe I will grasp more of it now.

[itchybromusic]

I meant it more for anyone who was following along more than you itchy, I thought you would have seen it.

 

Can you direct me to something on the above? Apart from the day long lecture, I have only seen a vid on composting...

 

I remember getting told about Fukuoka's One Straw Revolution back in the late 1980's... my ex was interested because of the 'do nothing' idea... granted in application it wasn't very successful. It's probably time I revisited OSR... older, hopefully wiser, maybe I will grasp more of it now.

No worries Lu , but i think it was in one of the lectures she briefly mentions the use of lacto but nothing negative about it  

she mentions soils going anaerobic & the negative impact of compaction , but the convo's were relayed via facebook & the

person who asked the question to her, a few others jumped on board saying they asked the same question & similar response 

this is why i'm trying to find out more cos you can always believe what you read on the net ya know ! 

There was a podcast somewhere's where she seems to suggest lacto & or bokashi was not the best of ideas , but interviewer let it

pass by so no more info , i'll try & drum that up for ya   

[louise]

I might have to go back through the lectures... I can listen as a set up the office to take the tent and the still. Particularly interested in Fukuoka... I can take a guess that her immersion in Western science might bias her against the spiritual and philosophical nature of OSR.

 

It's actually online as a pdf... 200 odd page pdf (I'm up to p48), but at least I don't have to speak to my ex and ask to borrow the book

 

Thanks for looking for up that info for me.

[itchybromusic]

 I can take a guess that her immersion in Western science might bias her against the spiritual and philosophical nature of OSR.

 

good point 

 

 

It's actually online as a pdf... 200 odd page pdf (I'm up to p48), but at least I don't have to speak to my ex and ask to borrow the book

Def don't want to be do'in that ,

the intrawebs can be a fantastic place at times 

 

i haven't read it but Mycelium Running by Paul Stamets gets a thumbs up form most who have read it , How Mushrooms Can Help Save The World 

 

https://decroissons.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/paul-stamets-mycelium-running-how-mushrooms-can-help-save-the-world.pdf

Edited November 28, 2015 by itchybromusic