Regulator of Medicinal Cannabis Bill 2014 - Report

[Gumby1]

Its going to be a long fight... But things seem to be starting to point in the right direction.

[lifestylez]

most of the registered carers got raided and are currently going through court cases.... so the scheme is a scam....

 

Has there been any outcomes to these court cases yet?

 

If the legislation is there, hopefully they can get off any charges that have been laid and set a new precedent.

 

Ultimately, making small exceptions to the existing laws like this is going to create some confusion amongst police and citizens.  Maybe the police who made arrests were not even aware of this new exception.

[Wonkey D]

At least things are happening, slowly and maby in the wrong direction. . . But it's a start, if we have to go thru the steps and bullshit and first process the raw material into sativex type products just to find out that it's really not that much use (instead of learning from other countries that have decades more research/experience) then so be it, let's Just hope it's not a case of " oh this is no good cannabis was a bad idea "But at least the ball is rolling, and that's where it all starts. Edited August 14, 2015 by Wonkey D

[Sir PsychoHashy]

Apologies in advance for a likely shitty rant.

 

I dont want legalization... I've been an avid fighter for decriminalization for years now... I get frowned upon from both sides.

A) because the "goodie goodies" think I'm fighting for free drugs..

and

because people that don't understand if legalization happens then the government and big companies will run the show.. It will not help the little people at all.

I constantly get booed from both sides.

but if we fight for decriminalization.. No one gets arrested for a plant.. The courts get opened up for serious matters .. And people get to regulate their own medication.

we dont need to go overboard with it... Like 5 plants per person.. An no more fines or risk.. I'd be happy.

 

You won't get booed by me over that Gumby, apart from not addressing supply issues for those who can't, or won't, grow their own, it's a sensible solution to a lot of problems.  But the biggest problem it doesn't help is politics, so the rest of us get to suffer.  I also can't help feeling that any legislative changes would leave growers like us in a worse position than we currently are, but I would be prepared to suck that up so long as genuine med patients who can't grow their own got some good and effective outcomes.

 

Yes Decriminalisation would be good but no money for Government so licencing fees would come into the picture plus big fines attached to those breaking the law..

I wouldn't not mind paying for a licence to grow but the Gov would keep upping the fees  to unrealistic prices that would make people break the law.

Plus would be watched like a hawk. It would be like owing a Gun, just with a lot more bullshit attached..

 

Also the Drug war is a profitable industry that actually favours the Government in so many ways levels, as well as drug dealers and business attached to those people.

So atm the Government prefers the status quo.

 

Yep, the potential politcal backlash from changing the laws scares governments in this country, as it does at the moment in NSW at least for not changing the laws, which is why we have all the noise with no substance going on at the moment in NSW, a bit like the Gay Marriage tactics being tried by Abbot & Co at the moment, try to appease the popular noise without doing anything, democracy is bollocks.  But the political backlash pales in comparison to the vested interests of the politicians and police in maintaining the status quo, and they also have to look after the interests of their friends who profit from it in one way or another.

 

most of the registered carers got raided and are currently going through court cases.... so the scheme is a scam....

 

I find it hard to comprehend that anyone could do something like that, but at the same time it fits perfectly with our pollies and coppers, what a feast of felching fuckwits they are. 

 

But the bit that really gets me is that a top district cop publicly states his command will "exercise their discretion" not to prosecute an ex drug squad detective and his family for supply, possession, or manufacture (hash oil), and then they go and pull this sort of shit on the rest of the community.  Another case of the connected being protected, and fuck everyone else, I felt sorry for Dan but the rest of his family and friends can go fuck themselves, including Lucy Haslam.  (that's in relation to their holier than thou and "look at me" stance, not the loss of Dan)

 

And this sort of shit goes on while rapes, home invasions, and armed robberies etc go on unsolved (and not properly investigated), protect and serve my arse.

 

It's pretty obvious that the laws in this country are going to change, but it could be a slow process, and the initial changes are likely to be ridiculous.  But I try to believe that getting any initial change should lead to an ongoing process that will hopefully eventually lead to something decent.

 

Just wonder if a good approach might be to try and get cannabis removed from the international treaty on narcotics (or whatever it's called) so all governments around the world can either ignore it, or stop using it as an excuse, when looking to change cannabis legislation.  Considering it was basically the work of the USA, and they have made a lot of domestic changes themselves, it might be a possiblility? 

Edited August 16, 2015 by Sir PsychoHashy

[weeping angel]

Just wonder if a good approach might be to try and get cannabis removed from the international treaty on narcotics (or whatever it's called) so all governments around the world can either ignore it, or stop using it as an excuse, when looking to change cannabis legislation.  Considering it was basically the work of the USA, and they have made a lot of domestic changes themselves, it might be a possiblility? 

Removed? That'll never happen.  It might be however possible to have the convention changed so cannabis is no longer treated the same as opium and coca which although unlikely to happen is still infinitely more possible than getting the worlds most widely used narcotic removed from the international convention on narcotics   An easier thing to remove though would be ourselves.  If we mustered up the political will to say screw the international war on drugs that's been a total failure for nearly a century and had Australia remove itself from the convention we could police drugs the way we want.  We might pay for it initially but I reckon once the first large western power bails it'll result in a tsunami of smaller countries leaving and the bigger ones will surely follow.

 

I forgot to quote gumby about the five plants but numbers are meaningless and the international convention on narcotics actually gives a nod to that by saying that legal cultivators will be licensed based on the area to be cultivated and the total yield required.  They know all plants are different as are the requirements for the grower so they set the hard limits based on the final needs and let the farmer achieve those goals the best way they can.  Since they literally have to work for the government if they produce too much next season they'll just get licensed a smaller area to grow in or the opposite if not enough is grown.  I want the same for us if it comes to licenses because it will allow the home grower to always be on the look out for something better without exceeding our needs.  We can play survival of the fittest if we only want four mother plants, go up to nine smaller ones if we can't bare to part with a lady, etc. and pull the same amount in close to the same amount time because we'd be hard limited by available space and be legally limited by the yield we would be allowed to pull too.

[Sir PsychoHashy]

Or we could do as the Bolivians did and withdraw from the convention, and if desired reapply but with our own provisions regarding canna, but let's face it, that's never going to happen.  Just goes to show the Bolivian Government has more balls than ours ever will, and that was for the traditional usage of coca leaf in their own country, which whilst nowhere near as problem causing as cocaine is still addictive and would be considered by most to be more dangerous than canna.

 

I do believe it would only take a couple of countries broaching the subject of cannabis removal, or re-classification, in the convention for it to happen.  Simply because the states have made legislative changes that potentially put them in conflict with it, and as it was basically their doing to begin with, undoing it should be pretty simple if they want to go along with it.  And as a few corporate entities are starting to make some dollars out of it, it's probably only a matter of time before the true function of democratic government kicks in and serves the interests of big business, which ironically was a big initial reason for the US starting the bullshit war on canna.

 

Or maybe I'm just a grumpy, cynical old bastard  

[Faith]

Maybe a grumpy old barzid SPH but on the money there. 

Faith