New Gavita E series Plasma

[billygoat]

I am actually looking to get a new light at the moment....

 

Are these the old one's that are not stand alone ?

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Gavita-Pro-1000-e-E-Series-Reflector-Complete-de-double-ended-110v-and-220v-NEW-/161374574461?ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:US:1123

[itchybromusic]

Gav vs EPap test @ monstergardens.com

 

http://youtu.be/KssVhjA4DUs?list=UUQt38ngErA9ZTNzPkJilVCQ

 

& 

 

http://youtu.be/ipvchOmQ4BU?list=UUQt38ngErA9ZTNzPkJilVCQ

[obliterated]

Ill be interested to see how theses next gen gavita plasmas go considering the first ones were not all that great. The gavita prolines are fucking awesome and if power consumption is of no concen then I would be running them no doubt. But as power is so fucking expensive these days it would be good if these do the job

Thanks for the input slayertat

Thats my general train of thought too... I dont think quality would be an issue, but we need a little weight, so we need some nice red

 

When ForgetIwashere did his Dpap journal, I was a little mixed on what the outcome would be but he did really well and the Dpap turned out some great results for minimal power.

 

That red spike in the 315w really came into it's own in real world results.

 

I keep researching more and more into the Gavita Plasma and despite the 2 types of spectrum bulbs, they still recommend a HPS in the mix for yield even though it was stated that it will kill a 250w CMH any day of the week on its own.

 

Im still really chewing my nails on whether to pick one up this week *eek

 

If it fails on its own in yield, at least it will be an incredible veg light and even better if I throw it in with my 400v HPS's... cant really lose *shrugs

 

Just find it hard to decipher Gavita's definition of "good yield" vs mine.... scrappy to them might be amazing for me in the numbers..

 

I am actually looking to get a new light at the moment....

 

Are these the old one's that are not stand alone ?

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Gavita-Pro-1000-e-E-Series-Reflector-Complete-de-double-ended-110v-and-220v-NEW-/161374574461?ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:US:1123

 

That one is not a LEP plasma Billy

That is the 1000w DE HPS.... The juggernaught daddy of HPS

Amazing bit of gear (I own 2)

I could tell you the price of the cheapest E series in this country......But working for Gavita and al'

[billygoat]

.... Good one obliterated !

 

Put it this way, if you had a budget of $750 for a new light and power consumption is not a concern what would you get to flower under in a 1.5m square tent ?

[ehle_fan]

really?

 

Do you work for Gavita or something?

 

You seem rather defensive.

 

You didn't answer the question.

 

Whatever, personally I'm not excited about plasma, the technology as far as I can tell is going no where fast and it will not replace HPS... probably ever. LED will do that and at about 1/5 of the price of these LEP's.

 

Someone PM me when these $2000+ grow lights can replace a simple 600W HPS bulb that cost $30 on eBay, then maybe I'll be interested!!

[T.WilyRR.]

If you are able and have the resources then set up medium sized solar/grid connect.  With efficiency out of the equation you can run what ever light you think will grow the best pot. Best of both worlds.

 

I know most people prolly arent in a position to do this but if you are then just sayin.....

 

Theres always outdoors too

[billygoat]

If you are able and have the resources then set up medium sized solar/grid connect.  With efficiency out of the equation you can run what ever light you think will grow the best pot. Best of both worlds.

 

I know most people prolly arent in a position to do this but if you are then just sayin.....

 

Theres always outdoors too

Yep, i got 8kw of panels pumping back to the grid at the lower rate of only 8c per kwhr.

 

I need to waste power during the day !

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.... Good one obliterated !

 

Put it this way, if you had a budget of $750 for a new light and power consumption is not a concern what would you get to flower under in a 1.5m square tent ?

As I work for Gavita *rolls eyes. .. the perfect unit for that size would be a Gavita Pro 1000 DE @ $720

 

The LEP also does a 5x5 with 270w... but what it can do yield wise in this area is what this thread is all about really

 

I cant respond to elhe's post anymore. .. his ignorance and lack of knowledge almost makes me seizure. .. trolls be trollin

[slayertat]

Thanks for the input slayertat

Thats my general train of thought too... I dont think quality would be an issue, but we need a little weight, so we need some nice red

 

When ForgetIwashere did his Dpap journal, I was a little mixed on what the outcome would be but he did really well and the Dpap turned out some great results for minimal power.

 

That red spike in the 315w really came into it's own in real world results.

 

I keep researching more and more into the Gavita Plasma and despite the 2 types of spectrum bulbs, they still recommend a HPS in the mix for yield even though it was stated that it will kill a 250w CMH any day of the week on its own.

 

Im still really chewing my nails on whether to pick one up this week *eek

 

If it fails on its own in yield, at least it will be an incredible veg light and even better if I throw it in with my 400v HPS's... cant really lose *shrugs

 

Just find it hard to decipher Gavita's definition of "good yield" vs mine.... scrappy to them might be amazing for me in the numbers..

 

That one is not a LEP plasma Billy

That is the 1000w DE HPS.... The juggernaught daddy of HPS

Amazing bit of gear (I own 2)

I could tell you the price of the cheapest E series in this country......But working for Gavita and al'

I think this is what the other guys are talking about   (I could tell you the price of the cheapest E series in this country.) This  sounds too much like someone pushing a shop . I believe that sort of thing is frowned upon in this community. On the other hand talking about products and stuff I would imagine should be and is always welcomed? Correct me if Im wrong. Ive made no secret that I am from a hydro shop but I will never push prices or my shop ( I will never even tell or name the shop) . I just believe this is a great place for sharing knowledge, ideas and healthy debate and of course support. Not a marketing tool.

I will say this though $720 is not the cheapest in the country.

If your local is good then they wont need anyone spouting about it on here.

but back to the subject at hand which is the New Gavitas, which I do have high hopes for simply for the power save.

I think the biggest problem the Plasma and Led markets face is the expectations of customers. Unfortuantely the companys have really pushed them as a equal for hps/ Hid , which sadly they have not come close to imo. Now the LED fanboys will scream out different, but we have tried several differant brands and models of led and no matter which way you do it they will never yeild better or even the same watt for watt. Thats the problem, if peoples expections of this technology wasnt so far fetched thanks to the hype then things would be better. For instance , yes you wont get the same results yeild wise ....but you will get a result and a satisfactory one at that with a smaller power bill. it really comes downs to what you are happy with. If you are used to getting the yeilds off the HID then you will be a bit dissapointed, but if you cant afford the cost of running them then maybe you would be happier getting a litttle less and being able to afford the power too.

Plus while yes its an outlay at first, but you are not paying to replace globes regularly either .

Im not on the side of either as I welcome new advances in technology , Just need to wade through the marketing and hype a little bit. But I will also add this Gavita do not fuck around when it comes to putting out Quality products, but they are still being straight up and and saying to complement with HPS, They are not claiming this will be the replacement(norm) yet.

 

edited beacuse my grammer and spelling is extremely sub par

Edited August 8, 2014 by slayertat

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I think you are right about all of your response slayertat

I do support my local shop because he is a great guy I trust and he knows what's what.
I never intend to be "markety" at all and Im very sorry if I came across like this.
I know most shops in the industry are considered evil, snake oil selling bastards which is why any essence of what might be marketing is frowned upon.... so do apologize, I will keep any $ out of my future comments

Being accused of being a shop because you do your research is a bit silly though *rolls eyes

Like saying if you know how much something costs or how it works... shop! *points 

Anyway, ending that... you're right about the "hype" aspect of new lighting.
HID is the most commonly used in the industry for a reason, great bang for buck.
It's only cheap and effective now because years of development and the prices getting lower and lower has concreted into indoor gardening.
Back when it was new technology, it would have been just as expensive in comparison to LED and LEP prices today.

They both are the future over HID, but things take time to develop and get better both performance wise and price wise.
Technology doesn't happen overnight

At the end of the day, the growers win with more efficient technology for better prices.

As far as I know, Gavita kinda writes the book on horticultural lighting so they are ahead of everybody else in understanding of what a plant wants and technology.

They don't try to reinvent the wheel like other companies, they try to invent the hovercar

The 1000w DE is the highest performance HPS unit on the market and Gavita had a hand in making this a reality for us afaik.

So if they are investing time and money into LEP technology, then it is worth having a good look at imo

Peace.