Has Any Used The New Led Lighting System?

[bablephis]

I'm thinking about converting a two bath to a bath and a half. I was looking fo what kind og lighting system to use and ran across this new LED system. has anybody use one? How do they work, they sould real cool, no heat, lots of lumens, and no electric bill. I'm a newbe, but I love techy stuff, Help me please???

 

Bable

 

P.S. found URL www.reversentropy.net

[WantDaChronic]

many years ago nasa was looking inot ways to grow plants in space and sum genius came up with the idea of using LEDs as a lighting source...works extremely well, very effecient to run, etc.

 

saw the documentary on discovery channel about 6 months ago so im not too 100% on details...

[TopNotch]

I have just sent off an e-mail to the manufacturer regarding cost, voltage compatibility etc. I'll get back to this post when I get a reply.

[F420]

Thanks TopNotch, I was about to do the same thing

 

Their reply is awaited with anticipation.

 

this is what the website says-

 

ReversEntropy Inc. is proud to introduce the Solid State Adjustable Spectrum Emitter, “SSASE” specifically designed as the replacement for current HID lighting systems in the hydroponics industry.

Growers in the hydroponics industry have been searching for years to find a more advanced lighting system. What they have been getting are tweaked hand-me-downs from other industries. Reversentropy Inc., presents the first lighting system designed, engineered, and manufactured specifically for the hydroponics industry. Not only can we produce more total lumens of output power than any HID system on the current market, we produce it only in the spectrums scientifically proven to be most effective for the foundation of healthy plant growth cycles.  Currently, the HID system's major light discharge is in the yellow and green spectrums, with secondary emission bands in the red and blue spectrums.  These reds and blues are the keys to plant development during the varying stages of the plants life.

 

 

If we were to breakup the total consumed power of a standard 1000 Watt HID system, the first 70% is lost in the form of heat, mainly radiated thermal energy from the high temperature of the discharge chamber and surrounding glass. The next 30% is emitted in the form of photonic energy (light).  Of that, 65% is emitted in the green and yellow spectrums. That leaves us with only 35% of the light in the red and blue spectrums. This equates back to no more than 10.5% of the total consumed power. Less than 105 Watts of power is what actually reaches the plants, and is available for absorption.

 

 

As in nature, the spectrum of light during spring, summer, and fall are quite different. This is why our Lighting System is not only adjustable in intensity, but also in spectrum mix. We also offer the modularity to allow you to start with a basic system and expand to meet your current and future requirements.

 

 

Our Emitter Standard HPS Standard MH

Adjustable spectrum Yes NO NO

Adjustable Intensity Yes NO NO

Modular Yes NO NO

Low Heat Emission Yes NO NO

Drop in Lumen output over service life NO Yes Yes

MTBF 40,000 Hours* 20,000 20,000

Action during Common bulb failure One array in one emitter fails, all others auto increase output to compensate. 0 lumen output, possible glass rupture, possible fire! 0 lumen output, possible glass rupture, possible fire!

Low voltage Device Yes NO NO

Safe to handle while on Yes NO NO

Anti Pest mode Yes** NO NO

Can run on batteries Soon NO NO

Microprocessor Controlled spectrum, intensity, and timing. Soon NO NO

Shock Proof Yes NO NO

Restart Time Instant Must cool to restart Must cool to restart

Contamination on Bulb No effect Bulb Fails Bulb Fails

Primary Spectrum output Ultra Near Infrared, Red, and Blue Yellow and Green Yellow and Green

Secondary Spectrum output Trace only Aqua, Red, and

Far-Infrared Red and Blue

 

 

 

 

*At normal output.

*At minimal output service life increases to 110,000 Hours.

**Anti Pest Mode, the emitter can be adjusted to emit a spectrum of light that Red Eyed White Flies can't see under (they dislike living under this spectrum, and will move towards your lighted pest strip)

 

 

 

 

Two Unit Emitter Four Unit Emitter Six Unit Emitter Nine Unit Emitter

Max output  36,000 69,000 104,000 155,500

Min output  10,800 21,700 32,500 48,900

Spectrum Mix Ratio 1:0.9 to 1:0.08 1:0.9 to 1:0.08 1:0.9 to 1:0.08 1:0.9 to 1:0.08

 

 

 

 

FACTS

(Truth is stranger than fiction)

 

 

HID HID HID HID Two Four Six Eight

250 400 600 1000 Head Emitter Head Emitter Head Emitter Head Emitter

Average Lumen Output 24,000 45,000 80,000 110,000 34,600 69,200 103,800 138,400

Lumen output in usable spectrum 8,400 15,750 28,000 38,500 34,600 69,200 103,800 138,400

Watts Consumed 250 400 600 1,000 90 180 270 360

Lumen Per Watt 96 113 133 110 384 384 384 384

Cost per year $146.00 $233.60 $350.40 $584.00 $52.56 $105.12 $157.68 $210.24

     

Wasted cost in heat $102 $164 $245 $409 

MTBF 20,000 20,000 20,000 20,000 40,000 40,000 40,000 40,000

 

 

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SSASE FAQ Page

 

 

Q:  Why don't my plants look green any more (under the new Emitters)?

 

 

A:  An object's color is related to the color of light it reflects back at the observer. Thus most plants look green under white light. If you remove the unnecessary spectrums from white light, most plants look purplish to the human eye.

 

 

Q:  Why does your Emitter look dimmer than the HID I just removed?

 

 

A:  The human eye can see a limited range of light. Plants need spectrums that are both above, and below the Human Visible Spectrum (HVS). Our unit produces light in the visible range, as well as above and below what can be seen by a human (see chart below).  The HID you just removed was designed to light a highway so humans can drive cars at night. Its main light ranges are in the yellows and greens.  These are the spectrums where the human eye has the greatest sensitivity (also the reason night vision devices are green). While this is great for a human when we need to see in the dark, plants don't need or use the yellow or green spectrums. Instead of being absorbed by the plant and put to use for photosynthesis they are almost entirely reflected.

 

 

 

 

 

Q:  Why can't I just turn both spectrums to max?

 

 

A:    One reason is that the service life of the unit would drop to below 25,000 hours. Another reason is because plants need different spectrums of light during various stages of their development. In order to bloom it requires less blue and more Ultra Near Infrared and red. So it would never bloom if you left the blues turned up all the way during the bloom cycle!

 

 

Q:  How much will it increase the growth rate of my plants?

 

 

A:  The growth rate will vary based on your plant's normal cyclic rate. However, it is not uncommon to see gains of as much as 1/3 or more than standard yield under MH, and HPS systems.

 

 

Q:  Why do these units cost more than the standard HID systems?

 

 

A:  We represent a new technology, and costs are still quite high. Our units are also much more complex to build than standard HPS or MH systems. There are also no currently applicable industry standards of manufacturing so every system we make is a custom system.

 

 

 

Note: Cover photo depicts a Single Emitter unit. The smallest unit sold is Dual Emitter System. Until a distributor network is set up all units are considered and handled as custom builds. So what that means is that we are in a constant flux, and nothing in this document is etched in granite yet!

 

 

For Distributor Info please contact:  Admin@Reversentropy.net

For Sales Inquires Please contact:      Sales@Reversentropy.net

For Other Info Please contact:  Support@Reversentropy.net

[bablephis]

Found this real cool gif of some Kinda plant growing under LEDs, how can I post it, it's 2 meg?

 

Bable

[F420]

just post the URL

interesting enough I wrote to a Hydroshop I know that is very uptodate with technology.

heres the responce.

 

My Engineer says there might be a better way to set up LED's - These systems

are from US$900 up to US$3000 plus freight costs.

The LED's are beginning to be used as Camcorder lights and not only is there

good reds and blues, but some nice whites with good colour rendition for

photography coming on the market.

 

Will look at it soon. The issue with colour is usually if its a coating used

to remove some of the spectrums, then its better just leaving them all in.

 

Absolute crap about if there's too much blue they won't flower for instance.

They don't understand that there are at least 3 groups of chlorophyll and

they do different things, gain energy from different wavelengths, and their

observations are not based in science. Enough people repeat the red myth and

suddenly its fact? My bugbear sorry.

 

I can get the lights here in OZ and they would cost around $100 and need

some wiring by an electronics guy to work. That's a fair estimate, some

development costs might be factored in. We are working on a low cost cubical

for mother plants etc which would suit these lights, or the 130W Spectrum

fluros.

 

Honestly, I have some much more amazing projects like growing plants without

any light, but I really can't (read won't) explain anything about that. Its

all clear that everything we know about anything of growing plants is about

to be shown as preschool thinking. There may be other minerals we can use to

create better interaction and produce plants that can actively fight

pathogens, rather than wait for the grower to assist.

 

Hope you remind me shortly, and I will try to get the process happening.

Wife 8 1/2 mths pregnant, so very busy at home, and since she does the

accounting here, I have to do two peoples jobs. Natasha and Andrew are

helping me keep the projects happening.

 

Talk to you soon

Scott

Scott Andrew

Nerang Hydroponic Centre

www.hydrocentre.com.au

[TopNotch]

Here's what I got back....

 

"Thank you for your interest in our SSASE Emitter. We have dropped the nine head unit in favor of our eight head. The new revision of the head produces about 20% more output per head. To answer you questions, we do operate on 110Vac, 240Vac, and 12Vdc. This is correct. Our units can run off of solar, battery, or line. The prices are in U.S. dollars and main payment path is Paypal. Just to touch base here, you do understand that our new eight head is 4.1 times the PAR Lumen output of a standard 1000 watt HID system. As it comes to competition, there is no other currently available commercial units. I'm inclosing a file called "Why Buy Me!" This file contains current suggested retail prices (USD), (the lumen values are for the early unit, so add about 20%). Normally, we can not offer a discount to the public. We currently have a little more flexibility until there is a dealership structure set up in Australia. I'm sure we can get you a better price on two eight head units."

 

I,ve also attached a PDF file that they sent me. Open with Adobe Reader.

Why_Buy_Me_.pdf

[TopNotch]

Wow!!! Nearly 4 grand for an eight head. Can't wait for the prices to drop. :angry:

[bablephis]

Hey Topnotch

 

I read all there stuff, and yeah there 4k for the 8 head but it puts out 4 times the lumens of a 1K HID and only cost $200 a year in power, the 4 hids is almost 2k a year, that ten times less in electric bill, and no heat! I'm looking at the 2 head, it might be a 1K now but it cost $4 bucks a month to run, this sound good to me.

 

Bable

 

P.S. but does it work?

[Quad Damage]

I only had a quick look at the pdf...but how long are the parts meant to last in a LED?

 

Is this the future of hydroponic lighting?