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NSW parliamentary inquiry into medical cannabis - due Feb 15

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Survey done, and hoping something good might come out of this, but with politicians involved that is highly unlikely. Politicians know that under a truly democratic process cannabis would have to be legalised. Problem is that it is political suicide, possibly even worse than supporting gay marriage, so I suspect this inquiry is more likely to be looking for a solution to the overwhelming majority of the community favouring cannabis, without risking upsetting the right wing powerbrokers etc. The potential being some half arsed policy change that not only fails to decriminalise honest smokers, but probably also fails to deliver a truly effective and medically targetted outcome. As you can probably tell I have no faith in politicians (either side, though the Federal Coalition scare the shit out of me).

That's my rant, now I'm going to risk upsetting some people by venturing my opinion. Firstly a disclaimer, my opinion is not thoroughly researched or based on a professional background, or even a massive font of knowledge. Therefore try not to take it too seriously. Secondly, it is an opinion only, I am not evangelical about it, and you are free to disagree.

Whilst I do believe that there is sound basis to the medical use of cannabis (I use it partially for that reason with a degree of positive effects), I also believe that there are many users who either partly, or completely, use "medicinal" as justification for their use. Personally I don't really care except for the potential that this has to derail the legitimate call for legalisation for medical purposes. For me this comes from some of the outcomes in the USA. Like I said I haven't thoroughly researched this but, I have seen many articles, forums etc where there is massive and blatant abuse of the systems set up in some states of the US. Things like some 18 year old douche bag boasting about the ridiculous number of plants he can now legally grow because of the medical documents he has for his relatives and himself. I didn't even need to read the bit where the idiot carried on about selling to know that thats what it was all about. Then you have all the smokers going to dr's with stories so they can get medical smoko, and websites offering suggestions for these stories.

There is still a large well funded section of the population who are fundaMENTALly against cannabis in any form for any reason, including well funded right wing groups with a lot of political influence. This is the sort of stuff that they pray for to further their own cause. I know that most smokers (especially amongst the more mature ages) are good decent and honest people, and that it is only a minority that abuse these systems when they are put in place, but they could still ruin it for those with genuine needs.

Personally I believe that the only real solution is to make cannabis legal, and then properly fund and run genuine research and provisions for medicinal usages of cannabis. That way the MMJ side of things would have the best chance of providing genuine outcomes for people with medical requirements, not only among the existing smokers but also the rest of the population, and the entire populations benefit is what anyone calling for MMJ legalisation should be concerned about.

As a fairly new member of Oz Stoners it is with some trepidation that I post this. I have seen some threads on this site with some fairly "passionate" responses to some statements and opinions. I don't want to start a shit storm, or become hated by anyone, so please remember this is opinion only, and respect my right to have one in the same way I respect everyone elses rights to theirs. My suggestion is that if you find yourself worked up into a frenzy after reading this, take a deep breath and choof a couple down, should work a treat. :greedy:
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Good post drdave. I agree the medical cannabis house of cards that exists in California is an absolute fucking mess. It's given the criminals a semi legal premise to further their illegal activities and in some ways is worse than prohibition. It's become a bad joke.
Thank god Colarado had the sense to legalise it, full stop.
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Good post drdave. I agree the medical cannabis house of cards that exists in California is an absolute fucking mess. It's given the criminals a semi legal premise to further their illegal activities and in some ways is worse than prohibition. It's become a bad joke.
Thank god Colarado had the sense to legalise it, full stop.

Yes, I like the Colorado laws, obvious problem is also the opening it provides for criminal organisations, and if that happens it will surely be bad for the debate. If I was running a criminal organisation distributing weed, I'd be in Colorado recruiting in the same way the meth gangs recruit people for smurfing psuedo ephedrine. I'd be very surprised if it wasn't happening, 1,000s of people growing 6 plants legally adds up without the risks. Great laws, pretty much what I'd like to see in Oz, but surely it only works at a national level.

Plus, I wonder how long until they start thinking that people growing their own is eating into the revenues from the dispensaries? Might all of a sudden be a bigger crime than it used to be. That's another of my opinions, but I see it as an inevitable outcome of any full legalisation, just as it is illegal to grow tobacco here.
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Great laws, pretty much what I'd like to see in Oz, but surely it only works at a national level.


I agree.
It's really opened a tin of worms also with other countries, Mexico in particular is crying foul, and rightly so. Why should they continue to loose thousands of lives and spend millions of dollars they don't have policing Americas insatiable appetite for drugs. If I was el presidente I'd be pulling all the cops off the border and letting America deal with their problem, in my opinion it'd be a win win for Mexico with the more gringos getting caught and put in US prisons the better.


Plus, I wonder how long until they start thinking that people growing their own is eating into the revenues from the dispensaries? Might all of a sudden be a bigger crime than it used to be. That's another of my opinions, but I see it as an inevitable outcome of any full legalisation, just as it is illegal to grow tobacco here.


Once again I agree, and have thought the same thing myself and so have others, that point has been raised many times.
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Thanks everyone :)

We only have a month to compile a submission, but we will do that using the data provided by many of you as the basis. we will also provide that submission to Oz Stoners so you get a chance to read.

I also don't necessarily have faith that this political process will produce outcomes, but you 'have to be in it to win it' :)
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Good on you Monica. Outcome or not, at least it will start to get out into the public. After all, the voters may be brought out of their ignorance. One could only hope!
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Are individual submissions the best way to get notices or would there be more credibility given to large groups of people, such as an organisation or web community perhaps joining together...signing that they agree with the content of a submission. should a submission be short as possible?


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I think there is value in both individual and group submissions. I would recommend making your submission reasonably brief.

 

The problem with a group submission is getting everyone organised and happy with the content, and having someone to lead it. But it would be a possibility for an organisation like OzStoners to write a submission on behalf or through its members, if they were into that - again it's a bit of effort. I imagine the Nimbin Hemp Embassy and other cannabis organisations will write submissions.

 

At least with individual submissions, if they get 1000s, they will at least be aware from the numbers that this is an important issue in the community. So there's definitely value in individual submissions, but I wouldn't write them a novel.

 

We are planning on a short submission, eg. 2 pages, with an invitation to discuss the details further with us at the hearings.


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Would a standard submission people could print out and sign be a good idea?

 

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