Too small? Help!

[merl1n]

I know I got burnt by veg time as a noob, I just filled the room up with veg growth, turned 12/12, had to chop it back cos it was burning and got nothing but light fluffy shit. So don't bash yourself, we all cockup but only some of us learn from it.. But thats why I love SCROG, its a little bit 'Cockup friendly'. Once the net is full I go 12/12, all my stem growth is down low .

 

As for ya roots, dont be doing too much yet imo, when you are having problems with drainage/floods then you will need to act, but at 3 weeks they have only just started to head so she has to change into flower production leave her for a bit and watch. She's going from teenager to motherhood she needs to adjust a bit, let her. Keep us updated. You'll get some direction.

 

PGR's are Plant Growth Regulators, basically they are steroids for plants. Commercial growers love them as they advance the budding. But they could be nasty for ya too. There seems to be bugger all info on the effects of smokin the fruits of crops using PGR's. Most home growers avoid them like the plague. Its very hard to tell PGRed weed some will say "I can tell cos the bud is deformed" or 'cos the bud is white inside' or 'because the dried hairs on the bud are still white and not brown'. I can show ya examples of non PGRed weed with all of these traits. I have used PGR's previously with mixed results, so now I don't.

 

As for the mould, it grows in the damp and dark, often in the centre of nice dense bud. Now I said before that it has spores, which it does and they do float in the air, but they need to be disturbed to be released for example when you spread a bud open to look inside you disturb it and thus release the spores. I think I made it sound like they are ever present and usually they are not.

 

And remember some of those roads in Struggle Town can lead to Relaxed Palace with a bit of work and determination.

 

Merl1n

[Mr Jane]

First of all El.. they are some wicked roots man, second.. I'm fucking glad to hear those words , that gives me a fair bit of hope that I might not have to go stuffing around with em. So cheers for that

 

Hey Merl1n, haha yeah glad to see it's not just me. You say you chopped em back and got nothing but fluffy bud, could you have tied them down in hindsight for a better result? Just asking because that's the soloution I'm trying atm..

 

I joked last night I never leave my girls, well I'm glad I went out and got shitfaced last night now otherwise I would have been in my grow room ripping shit up and probably doing alot more bad than good . I'll just wait it out like you say.. it's less stressful

 

Ah yeah there ya go.. commercial, fuck that word just ruins everything doesn't it? I'm not fond of chemicals on anything I can control, there's enough getting around on everything else we put into our bodies so the tv says..

 

Haha, yeah you did a bit.. but it makes a lot of sense now that it starts from the inside, I was thinking outside.. how often do you open the buds up to check usually? Do they get damaged much when you have to check for mould?.. And god knows the only place I wanna be is Relaxed Place

 

Here's a pick of Side Show Bob.. the 5th of the bunch that I removed just before I set up my recirculating system and went to 12/12.. The purple light through the shot is natural from the sun and angle of cam.. LSD'ish like.. only furthers my opinon that this is gods gift

 

[merl1n]

Hi MJ

 

No I couldn't tie anything down The area was full, no room for movement at all. I had to remove a wall to be able to chop them back from the lights. So no room to tie anything.

 

""Haha, yeah you did a bit.. but it makes a lot of sense now that it starts from the inside, I was thinking outside.. how often do you open the buds up to check usually? Do they get damaged much when you have to check for mould?..""

 

I try not to need to check, I found that any damage at the point the shade leaf joins the stem tends to be mould central, so the less interferance, the better. When mould is a problem and although it is an internal thing, the bud does show signs externally. The shade leaf will start to look sick, more droopy than neighbouring leaves, even dead. Often that area of the bud will be darker than the surrounding bud and again just look sick. The keys to mould prevention is humidity control and airflow/ air circulation. Get those right and mould won't be a problem.

 

Merl1n

Edited November 18, 2012 by merl1n

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It would be worthwhile foliar feeding those plants at lights on and lights out (15mins before) with 1/5 vege nutrients........ i would increase the ec based on how they look ...... they could do with a lil more food ... how often are you feeding them straight water ?

 

peace n pot,

 

Sorry for the late response; you asked why i mentioned the above ........ because the last photos taken with hid lighting off shows plants that require more nitrogen... (29th october...)...

 

cheers'

[Mr Jane]

G'day Merl1n, will mould also cause a different smell in your grown area?

 

Thanks for the reply cultiv8r, better late than never mate.

 

Just a quick update on how the girls are travelling.. They are at the end of week 4, the clawing issues affecting the 2 bigger girls straightened themselves out (lucky!)

I did bleach the fuck out of 1, but I just moved the light around and new growth is coming through healthy and green. They look as though they will have some nice colas at the end, the buds are quickly joining together and getting a little thicker.

 

Here are some pics, tell me what you think

 

 

 

[merl1n]

You've got some nice bud developing there, So long as you have good air circulation you'll be fine with mould. Mould likes damp and dark, it can be a big problem when you have really dense bud where the light can't penetrate. As for the smell some ppl say they can smell it, but my gear is pretty stinky and I cant smell nothing but weed .

Now some ppl will say chop at 8 weeks of 12/12, I am yet to have a FULLY mature plant at 8wks. I like mine to bulk up a bit so I leave mine for more like 11-12 weeks, this bulk increases the likelyhood of mould but the more mature smoke is fantastic

 

Merl1n

[Mr Jane]

Thanks Merl1n, yeah I need to put another oscillating fan in asap. I noticed a bit of a different smell last night, which I thought might be mould.. but I put it down to paranoia since my buds aren't really dense yet.

Yeah I've read the general rule is 8-10 weeks, or when the triches are half milky and half brown... 11-12 weeks is a pretty long spell.. are the triches completely brown at that point?

But if it works it works right..

 

Jane

[merl1n]

Hey there MJ

I dont follow the 'rules'. Some say 'wait for the hairs to brown off" others say let the hairs brown then look at the triches. I wait, after the hairs brown they eventually drop off, the bud swells from within and more hairs are produced which eventually also go brown and die off. I allow this process to happen 3 times and each time the bud swells. Then I check the triches. The resulting smoke with the added maturity is exquisite, the taste and the stone are more developed and this is what I want. An old member of OS, who I havent seen here for a long time, explained it as the level of THC compared to the level of CBD. Which sounded plausable, but I like the smoke.

%CBD VS %THC I dont really care.

Again, thats what I do. Mine is a 11 wk minimum and have had one go 16wk but that was a bit long

[louise]

Yeah I've read the general rule is 8-10 weeks, or when the triches are half milky and half brown... 11-12 weeks is a pretty long spell.. are the triches completely brown at that point?

 

It's strain dependant... the general rule holds only for indica dominant plants and then it depends on how you like your indicas whether you let them develop until the resin changes colour. Sativas, on the other hand, don't generally develop amber trichomes before harvest.

 

Late harvested bud has a higher amount of CBN... I'm not fond of the sluggishness that usually results from smoking bud that has been left to process THC into CBN.

 

As Merl1n has already mentioned, it's a matter of individual preference. It may take you a few grows of the same strain before you find the best harvest point for you.

Edited November 29, 2012 by louise

[Mr Jane]

Alright thanks for the advice guys, I think my plants would have to be a lot more indica than sativa by the looks of things.. so I will just keep an eye on devolopment and use my best judgement as to when they're ready.

 

I'll keep ya's updated

 

Jane