N.C.P.I.C trial oral cannabis spray- for Cannabis withdrawal.

[The Hash Nibbler]

NCPIC and Jan Copeland- "The great Misinformation Act" continues in 2012.

 

Well, was listening to Radio this morning and seems NSPIC is going ahead with Oral Cannabis sprays for treating withdrawals......

 

Only problem is, before it was going to be used to treat Alcohol Withdrawal.............Now it's for Cannabis withdrawal............. Crazy stuff!

 

Quoted from Jan Copeland on Triple J news........" It will ease the withdrawals associated with Cannabis use".

Hmmmm...Cannabis Oral sprays to treat Cannabis withdrawals from cannabis...............don't quite sound right.

 

The oral spray is of low THC content and higher CBD content....... as Jan said "We don't want people getting high on it."

"The lower THC and high CBD's are to lower anxiety, and lower psychotic episodes."

 

Apparently, this will be used before users are made to be "Re-educated and undergo pschological treatment/councelling.

 

There are no official press releases as yet, but if ya find em, add them to this thread.

 

I for one would like to express my distain that this idiot gets to put the word Professor in front of her name..........

 

Jan was on this forum, would not answer my questions on medical Cannabis, saying "We don't have anything to do with Medicinal Cannabis" but they can make these sort of decisions?

 

Ummmm Jan, what your using in your programs IS medical cannabis if it is used to treat any medical condition.

 

Once again the NCPIC shows us stupidity and ignorance are rewarded with high paying positions in this country, as long as you provide enough mis-information to make a job for yourself.............

 

Maybe thats a bit close to the truth? Lmao

 

I thoroughly recommend you check out Mongy's thread on this and other info on the NCPIC, they really are giving the Canna Community a bad name and making us out as 'drug addicts'.

Check out this link, it's in Ozstoners and a wealth of info is there on trials too......

https://cannabis.community.forums.ozstoners.com/topic/37927-the-ncpic-enthusiastically-embraces-medical-cannabis/page__view__findpost__p__314516

 

Viva La Cannabis!!!!! Down with the Personal freedom Nazi's........ Peace. Gh72

 

This be interesting to watch.........................

Edited January 9, 2012 by Grasshopper72

[Anakha]

The oral spray is of low THC content and higher CBD content....... as Jan said "We don't want people getting high on it."

"The lower THC and high CBD's are to lower anxiety, and lower psychotic episodes."

 

So the NCPIS are not only now using Medical Marijuana but there also saying WHAT they are using it for..............hang on also hasnt the NCPIS claimed in the past that Cannabis can cause psychotic episodes???? Jan now says that the cannabis spray is used to lower psychotic episodes............

 

Instead of calling it Sativex maybe they should rename it CANNADONE......................Methadone for Cannabis.............this is insane........the greed of big pharma and the stupidity of the Govt knows no bounds..............

[El Gato]

this shit is unbelievable.

[Cerberus]

http://www.smh.com.a...0108-1pq76.html

 

I found this earlier at work and was hoping someone else did too

 

Before you get disgusted at the lies and stop reading the link, check out the last paragraph, yes, the very last.

 

OMG, now she is just playing dirty :|

 

This Teresa Ursich chick needs a good slap for not telling the whole story. So does Copeland.

 

Edit: Sorry Hops, didn't read your post properly (on the train ), here's a media release for you: http://ncpic.org.au/...management-drug

Edited January 9, 2012 by Cerberus

[Frazz]

Thats really bad and coming from SMH , like i expect it from the Telegraph but , ..

ive put the quote here Cerb for all to spew over ;

 

There was a perception that cannabis was a ''soft'' drug, she said, and easier to stop using. ''But the pain is not just mental,'' the 42-year-old said.

''You feel agitated and so sick; you get to a point where you would rob your own grandmother to get some.''

 

how much worse can it get , this sort of propaganda/lies just ensures Jan and friends can justify & continue thier position @ NCPIC , in fact ensures the continued existence of this organisation

 

[Anakha]

In truth i wouldnt give a damn if they used Sativex to aid peope who really want to quit cannabis (might have trouble finding people) but the straight out lies regarding cannabis they tell to promote Sativex is what gets me rather annoyed.....It seems Jan Copeland and the University arent keeping up with world trends much and will continue whilst the funding from the Government continues to flow.....see its still all about money........from the pharmaceutical company down the line..........

 

Just a bit of a fact about the paragraph that has everyone so worked up re: the poor old granny getting stolen off.....................what rubbish Cannabis and the need for it doesnt make a person steal from there Grandmother, being a pathetic low life human parasite enables you to do that......unfortunately these scum then blame cannabis as an excuse for their behaviour so as to make themselves feel better.................I bet my bottom dollar that Miss Ursich also found religion during her recovery!

 

Personally i believe Sativex and everything that Jan or anybody else does over the next ten months is largely inconsequential anyway as (call me crazy) the result of the US Presidential election in November will set the trend for us here in Austrailia in regards to the legalities of cannabis.......(hold on hear me out!!!!) IF the US people elect a president like Ron Paul or several other canditates (2 other republicans that i think of off the top of my head) who are committed to the reduction in size of the US government and giving back to the individual states more of their consitutional powers.......then its a whole new ball game.............by the middle of 2013 you would have at least 30-40 states of the US with legalised and regulated Medical Marijuana (at least) not to mention several primary industry states would really increase their hemp production which would be good for the environment etc but thats a bit off track.............Just remember the prohibition of Cannabis was a Yank led conspiracy in the 30's and I believe the re introduction of cannabis legally will also be a US led exercise.............of course once back in the mainstream in the US, Australia and many other countries will folllow suit......not necessarily because its always the right thing to do but its just something we always seem to do!!!

 

Anakha

[Frazz]

 

Personally i believe Sativex and everything that Jan or anybody else does over the next ten months is largely inconsequential anyway as (call me crazy) the result of the US Presidential election in November will set the trend for us here in Austrailia in regards to the legalities of cannabis.......(hold on hear me out!!!!) IF the US people elect a president like Ron Paul or several other canditates (2 other republicans that i think of off the top of my head) who are committed to the reduction in size of the US government and giving back to the individual states more of their consitutional powers.......then its a whole new ball game.............by the middle of 2013 you would have at least 30-40 states of the US with legalised and regulated Medical Marijuana (at least) not to mention several primary industry states would really increase their hemp production which would be good for the environment etc but thats a bit off track.............Just remember the prohibition of Cannabis was a Yank led conspiracy in the 30's and I believe the re introduction of cannabis legally will also be a US led exercise.............of course once back in the mainstream in the US, Australia and many other countries will folllow suit......not necessarily because its always the right thing to do but its just something we always seem to do!!!

 

Anakha

 

Yea ok hope you are right on that one Ana , though keep in mind we are not ruled by the Yanks,

but do you really envisage Tony Abbott (former health minister under Howard who set-up NCPIC) passing legislation to de-criminalise?

'cause Labor is far to scared to touch the issue in the near future ...

 

[Anakha]

Yea ok hope you are right on that one Ana , though keep in mind we are not ruled by the Yanks,

but do you really envisage Tony Abbott (former health minister under Howard who set-up NCPIC) passing legislation to de-criminalise?

'cause Labor is far to scared to touch the issue in the near future ...

 

 

Frazz......thought my statements would be met with a little skepticism.............

 

Really our policies arent influenced by the yanks????? wow i could give examples over the last sixty years but there isnt enough space here to fit them all and i dont feel like sitting here for the next month (thats how long it would take)

 

I spend most of my days and nights researching politics, economics and history and even I admit what I wrote previously sounds far fetched (we are Australian not dictated to by the Yanks) but unfortunately history shows us that we are sadly led by the US.......

 

For both our sakes i hope i am right on this one but understand everyone will probably think I am wrong.........time will tell..............

 

Anakha.....

 

Just went on to Itunes........6 of the top 10 songs on the Australian charts are by US artists

Just switched on the TV - Channel 9 - Harrys Law (American) Channel 10 - The Glades (American) Channel 7 Criminal MInds (American)

And if they are only social influences will we talk about Afghanistan and Iraq..........yeah we just thought it would be a great idea to mosey on over there and go camping...........

[Cerberus]

So basically Copeland is agreeing to a liquid form of high CBD/low THC strains and denying the NCPIC has anything to do with Medical Marijuana.

 

Is anyone wondering why they are taking this stance?

 

When it comes to the average Australian, they have kids, mostly never tried drugs and they vote. This is who is deciding whether we get medical marijuana. Not Jan Copeland, not the hippy that has a big sign protesting outside Parliament House.

 

The main political leaders know that publicly stating that they will introduce legalised and/or medical cannabis means that there is a good chance that unless they have a gamebreaker of another policy (and it better be goddamn BIG!), it's going to lose them the election, if only because of how loud the Christian/religious people/sectors/parties will shout. They can shout loud when they want to. If only it was solely them.

 

The stigma attached to cannabis is still rife within Australia, and it will only be removed very slowly, as it has been over the years. Average Australians are unaware there are purely medicinal strains being developed that are basically the same as the Sativex these people are saying can "cure pot addiction". Very low THC but don't tell anyone, Copeland doesn't want the secret to get out

 

It is a good thing what the USA are doing (and what The Netherlands has done), because people are slowly recognising that weed isn't just weed, there are different strains with different effects and medicinal benefits.

 

Statements from the National Cannabis Prevention and Information centre (NCPIC) treating all cannabis as if it is the one strain with the exact same effects not only to everyone but all mental states is damaging to the medicinal marijuana movement. Using statistics from the extreme effects of cannabis (usually combined with an unmentioned substance) is also not revealing the entire truth.

 

Where is all the cannabis crime? How many cannabis junkies are being arrested? Truthfully, not just cos they got all Iced up but "did smoke a joint last week!" FFS.

 

Why do they make up these lies? Because it's what the public want to hear, and the general public love being right. They also love being outraged, if only from their couch. Hence the media's sensationalist reporting on topics such as foreigners, dole bludgers and *gasp* weed, and how it is turning your kids into psychotic killers!!!

 

The general public is mostly a stupid bunch, mainly because they have a mob mentality. Mostly because they want to be right, and unfortunately being right is mostly agreeing with what most of their friends think is right. Or if they're completely retarded they will believe whichever politician is promising to give them their next $4/week tax break (to overshadow a new restrictive law they're trying to bring in), or at least shake a few hands and smile for the cameras while out at a disaster zone for a couple of minutes.

 

Most of the general public also sadly still believe the "schoolyard" talk (or teacher talk, if you like), where exaggeration and rumours run wild like dogs at an open pound.

 

How many of your young teenage friends could smoke an enormous amount of weed and still party? What about alcohol? Did you ever see most of these stories in action? What about that older kid you heard about in maths class that died after holding in the bong smoke for too long?

 

When you got older or experienced these things regularly, did you then realise that those kids were mostly bullshitting? You probably believed it back then 'cos they were the cool kids, or they were your friend so why would they lie?

 

Because you were naive back then, just like the general public is now.

 

When you smoked weed regularly did you then realise that those teachers and other people were wrong? Why would teachers lie? (good reason for that, but that's another topic)

 

I suppose it's the same situation with the NCPIC. The general public sees them as the "Authority on Cannabis information". What they say must be true, right? They have professors and doctors and nerdy people, right? They know more than you, you're just a [insert seemingly menial job title here]. What would you know?

 

You smoke? You must be a dumbshit then, why would I believe what a pot addict says? you just want it leaglised so you can smoke more.

 

Bullshit. All bullshit.... but that's the general public's perception and it's fucking hard to change. That's what the general public think, and they vote louder than you and your buddies. Unfortunately.

 

Hell, I don't even vote. This is one of the reasons. That and supporting useless departments and wasting resources on propaganda to win public support. Amongst other things like forcing these same general public mob mentality morons to vote for the most flag waving, biggest promising "expert on world affairs" to become Prime Minister. Do these same morons actually know anything about who they're voting for other than the goddawful ACA coverage? Mostly, no.

 

So winning this fight is not going to be easy, if anything it's going to go at a snails pace. Eventually it will be won, Jan knows that and this is why they are pulling stunts like this. They have nearly made it unbelievable here but have also carefully worded it in a way that is hard to refute if you read it carefully. Unfortunately not enough of the general public are aware of CBDs or their effects or even any other singular cannabinoid other than THC so Jan's words will be taken as gospel and gobbled up by the general public.

 

In fact, I would think that if you asked 1000 average Australians what a cannabinoid is, they wouldn't know. Mention THC and you'll get an opinion that it's bad. Why?

 

"Because that's what makes weed and weeds bad"

 

There's your general public, right there.

 

I'm not about to wave a sign or stand outside Parliament House with a megaphone but I will fight a little in my own way. It's obvious to me that eventually the NCPIC will run out of standard issue things to convince people cannabis is bad and, as they have started doing here, will venture into the unbelievable.

 

The unbelievable to me and you is not the same as their opinion though. 98% of people will read this "news" and judge it to be true because of one or a combination of these reasons:

 

a) "It's in the paper/6pm news so it must be true"

"She's a professor so she'd know what she's talking about"

c) "that chick was a druggy so she'd know all about it I reckon"

d) "yeah, I've heard those weed cigarettes can do bad things"

 

How many of those examples sounded like well formed opinions?

 

Fuck that, how many times have you heard someone say any of those things? About anything ridiculous in the media, not just weed?

 

And those people vote. Those are the same people that don't think for themselves, that don't question what they're being told. They rely on mob opinion to make their own and that's where people like Jan Copeland thrive because they are taking a stance and it's easy to keep convincing the general public that the bad is still bad!! You naughty criminal, you!

 

Jan knows that she is towing the line, she has apparently researched and made public statements in the past that contradict her statements as the (now) Director of the NCPIC.

 

Jan Copeland is just doing her job, she is doing what the government of the day want her to do/say to keep the general public happy, because happy voters means re-election.

 

Until the vote-grabber of the day is letting grandma puff away to relieve her cancer pain, the politicians won't play ball.

 

For anyone wishing to attack Copeland (hopefully only verbally), it will just make you look like a fool because "she knows more at the end of the day, she's a Professor".

 

What we really need is to change the public's perception. Therefore they will stop believing this crap.

 

Copeland isn't stupid, she knows this is our only weapon, hence the dirty tricks in the article. Educate your friends, don't be a dick, don't hassle them, but let them know the truth and plant some seeds in their head.

 

And don't do it stoned for fucks sake Think for yourself and decide whether that random person's opinion is actually right or are you just agreeing so as not to create an argument/debate?

 

So that guy down the Pub seems like a smart guy, does he know about politics? does he know about China's exporting policies?

 

No. So why the fuck is he standing there talking about it as if he knows all about everything?

 

Jan seems to be that "knowledgeable" guy in the pub, I wonder if she knows?

 

I've talked too much already, sorry about that

[Allotropy]

FUCK YOU JAN AND EVERYTHING YOU STAND FOR!!!

 

Everyone knows that people over a young age and without mental health problems pose no danger in smoking cannabis, in the rare case that problems arise from using the substance then those people will be made aware of by their doctor not by a fucking stupid law with no substance behind it whatsover. Money Orientated lady your agenda is stealing peoples pot, giving them fines and presenting them with criminal records/predicaments.