Power Bill

[jaikai]

Who are you to tell me to stop advocating this. How would you know one way or another. Can you show us something thats contradictory to this theory. As far as I am concerned it is a tried and true method, there is enough proof out there. And I,m watching it happen before my eye's.

 

G`day Vrod,

Please stop and consider TBR`s post for a moment. We`ve many experienced growers here and others with many years of experience ranging from good basic gardening to commercial market growers.

 

So far all I can find on this theory is that which you`ve posted...from two college kids whom stumbled upon it.

 

Now I`m all for learning newer and better ways, but years of real world practice point a few glaring holes in this theory. Your opinion of tried and true differs somewhat from others here as we bystanders are witnessing. You have`nt made it stick from germination to harvest with a side by side comparison, therefore you could only be confident that your findings are somewhat inconclusive...as of yet. Outside of that, the thinking is lets see the proof these guys have.

 

Okay, lets get to the point ay... TBR is also using light manipulation to grow outside of the usual season for cannabis. Ask him about his findings so far, as he isn`t spruiking that which I know will work. You are, in fact the bulk content of your posts revolve around this theory. I for one welcome his skepticism, without discrediting you in any way.

 

Now the theory and findings...

 

- Do the authors realize that agricultural lamps werent available 100 years ago? be hard to practice this technique without supplemental lighting.

 

- Do the authors understand plant`s ability to read light at much lower levels than us? I did`nt find such in the research papers put forth.

 

-Do the authors realize that cannabis, namely sativa and indica is not the only photodependant plant out there? I did`nt see any research on other plants in the findings. Such would go a long way to the credibility of the study.

 

-Do the authors use their figures of true daylight hours in relation to actual light intensity or another quotient? I`d like to think environmental factors such as moonlight affect a photodependant plant.

 

-Do the authors recognize the point of light removal in relation to the change from photosynthesis to respiration? I for one would like to know your own theory behind this, as it goes a long way towards understanding photodependancy and relative metabolic change.

 

If you could point me towards any answers within the texts related to such queries, I`d much appreciate it mate.

 

As I said, not to discredit yourself, but skepticism is healthy.

I for one look forward to your findings regardless of the outcome.

 

Good luck and happy growing

 

JAIKAI

[TheTreeBoundRat]

Who are you to tell me to stop advocating this. How would you know one way or another. Can you show us something thats contradictory to this theory. As far as I am concerned it is a tried and true method, there is enough proof out there. And I,m watching it happen before my eye's.

 

Who I am has no bearing on anything and yes Its tru I don't know weather it works or not becaue I havent tried the 12-1 method.

 

I dont have any evidence too contradict this method nor have I tried or wanted too. Infact Im all for the 12-1 theory too be true as I also have a vested interest.

 

You gotta understand V-Rod so far all you have supplied to us is allot of copy and paste and a weeks worth of veg at the time of my comment .If the evidence is out there then why didnt you include it in this thread. Just get us the 18-6 vs 12-1 growth comparison tests and we'll be happy. Happening in front of your eyes is not convincing enough to me.

 

Im really not trying too knock you and commend you for walking the talk. Id just like too see some actuall proof if your are to advocate this as a superior method. A side by side will tell you and us either way.

 

Definitely a positive thread and contribution form you and I hope you are dead set correct in your........."presumptions"

 

All the best and will be great if your right about this

 

TBR

[headhigh]

mate,

 

you're trying something new you've got to expect some sort of negativity.

 

Keep at it, prove your point with results.

 

I'm watching this very closely and it interests me immensely keep up the good work! cant wait to see the end results

[The Claw]

G`day Vrod,

Please stop and consider TBR`s post for a moment. We`ve many experienced growers here and others with many years of experience ranging from good basic gardening to commercial market growers.

 

So far all I can find on this theory is that which you`ve posted...from two college kids whom stumbled upon it.

 

Now I`m all for learning newer and better ways, but years of real world practice point a few glaring holes in this theory. Your opinion of tried and true differs somewhat from others here as we bystanders are witnessing. You have`nt made it stick from germination to harvest with a side by side comparison, therefore you could only be confident that your findings are somewhat inconclusive...as of yet. Outside of that, the thinking is lets see the proof these guys have.

 

Okay, lets get to the point ay... TBR is also using light manipulation to grow outside of the usual season for cannabis. Ask him about his findings so far, as he isn`t spruiking that which I know will work. You are, in fact the bulk content of your posts revolve around this theory. I for one welcome his skepticism, without discrediting you in any way.

 

Now the theory and findings...

 

- Do the authors realize that agricultural lamps werent available 100 years ago? be hard to practice this technique without supplemental lighting.

 

- Do the authors understand plant`s ability to read light at much lower levels than us? I did`nt find such in the research papers put forth.

 

-Do the authors realize that cannabis, namely sativa and indica is not the only photodependant plant out there? I did`nt see any research on other plants in the findings. Such would go a long way to the credibility of the study.

 

-Do the authors use their figures of true daylight hours in relation to actual light intensity or another quotient? I`d like to think environmental factors such as moonlight affect a photodependant plant.

 

-Do the authors recognize the point of light removal in relation to the change from photosynthesis to respiration? I for one would like to know your own theory behind this, as it goes a long way towards understanding photodependancy and relative metabolic change.

 

If you could point me towards any answers within the texts related to such queries, I`d much appreciate it mate.

 

As I said, not to discredit yourself, but skepticism is healthy.

I for one look forward to your findings regardless of the outcome.

 

Good luck and happy growing

 

JAIKAI

G’day mate, I will have to pull my head in I know, been going off too much. To answer most of your questions I'd have to go back to school, as most are over my head. But I will try explaining what I have learnt. Where the discovery by teenagers/college kids comes from has got me fucked? The 100 year old greenhouse lights where gas lanterns, the 1hour of light in the middle of night period, this fools the circa dyne rhythm of plants that stay in veg and grow bigger and better due to the added rest period. To my understanding its common knowledge, if you want to keep your out door plants in a veg state you only have to hit them with a torch/flashlight in the middle of the night. The book about this by Paul V. Nelson is a 1st year college horticulture book. Greenhouse Management and Operation, outlining 12-1 technique used a 100 years ago. I think it's up to its 7th edition and available from Amazon as well as other book sites. You will not find anything about cannabis in this book, just normal plants.

This guy Reinhardt Delp has taken the idea and run with it. He is behind grobots who make the solar powered automatic open & closer for forced out door flowering. From what I understand he also advocates 12-1 under lights.

There is also www gracefarmonline.org also known as Grace Farm Cannabis Academy where they run classes for 12-1 to quote a Director there, Mike Boutin 12-1 best growers tip I have ever had, spending less and growing more. 12-1 now taught at Grace Farms Cannabis Academy.

Now as far as I know this is fact, not fiction. The only problem I can foresee is how well they flower, I have my own proof the veg stage works better for me.

You can say all of this is for out door where the sun far outshines any HID and that is why it won't perform.

I should have pulled back with TBR. I would like all out door growers to know about 12-1 with forced flowering.

So Reinhardt got this guy, Joe Pietri interested and he’s pushing 12-1, if you go to his face book page there’s plenty of positive feedback.

So that’s it for now, hope this helps.

Vrod.

[The Claw]

Who I am has no bearing on anything and yes Its tru I don't know weather it works or not becaue I havent tried the 12-1 method.

 

I dont have any evidence too contradict this method nor have I tried or wanted too. Infact Im all for the 12-1 theory too be true as I also have a vested interest.

 

You gotta understand V-Rod so far all you have supplied to us is allot of copy and paste and a weeks worth of veg at the time of my comment .If the evidence is out there then why didnt you include it in this thread. Just get us the 18-6 vs 12-1 growth comparison tests and we'll be happy. Happening in front of your eyes is not convincing enough to me.

 

Im really not trying too knock you and commend you for walking the talk. Id just like too see some actuall proof if your are to advocate this as a superior method. A side by side will tell you and us either way.

 

Definitely a positive thread and contribution form you and I hope you are dead set correct in your........."presumptions"

 

All the best and will be great if your right about this

 

TBR

my apologies dude

[ConvexConepiece]

Yea i'm cool with the 12-1 veg schedule, but what I want to see is more info on the flowering hours you've been preaching.

 

A few young growers have taken up these lighting hours and I just don't want to see anyone stunting their plants.

[Auntynorm]

G'day Vrod.

 

As I've said elsewhere I'm giving it a go, I'm only new to indoor growing but I do know what good buds look like, so, head down, bum up and charge! If it doesn't work I will switch back to 18-6, but I will give it a go. If it works.

[The Claw]

Yea i'm cool with the 12-1 veg schedule, but what I want to see is more info on the flowering hours you've been preaching.

 

A few young growers have taken up these lighting hours and I just don't want to see anyone stunting their plants.

Well you might have to slip onto face book and check out the goss on joe peitri's page, like I was saying there are plenty of followers of 12-1 on face book.

Vrod

[The Claw]

G'day Vrod.

 

As I've said elsewhere I'm giving it a go, I'm only new to indoor growing but I do know what good buds look like, so, head down, bum up and charge! If it doesn't work I will switch back to 18-6, but I will give it a go. If it works.

 

Better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all.

[Frazz]

Here's another dude with more of the same, guess he's taking flak to. www a420nation.com/forums/topic/153/lighting-sched-for-vegging-and-f

 

.. thats joe pietri pushing the "Dutch Fraud" again

perhaps you would be good enuf to explain to us how this so-called Dutch Fraud works ?