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Thanks for the opportunity to join - I have to go to a meeting now and then pick up my new glasses (old age is a sad thing). Please email me a reminder for next week so I don't forget to sign up. Cheers, Jan


Thank you Jan, I will do. You wont need to sign up again just use the same login.

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Hi Jan, thanks for getting back to us :)

ok so looking at your scientific research reply, i interpret it in layman's terms,...correct me if im wrong but i read it as though these people who`ve produced these stats are getting their information from psychologists, psychiatrists and doctors who`ve given their opinion? and those opinions are based on people aged from 13 to 18 over a short amount of time? .....mmmm kay :scratchin:
thats not very solid research imo...and to say that cannabis increases "sexual aggression" is outright wrong :ack:
if this were true the prison systems would be FULL of rapists due to Cannabis :rolleyes:

from my experience, doctors, psychiatrists & psychologists dont tend to believe what i report, and 100% of the time end up offering some sort of anti depressant. :bleh:

you say you`re interested in helping emote indigenous communities who are concerned about the aggression of some young males in particular when unable to access $$ for cannabis and are experiencing withdrawal as it is very disruptive to these small communities and causing distress among female elders.

oohh kay ......why not just legalize it? :wacko:
the reason they cant get money for it is because the prohibition has caused the prices to go through the roof.
if it were readily accessible for these people the problem would be solved :rolleyes:

and im curious, these interventions you talk of, where NCPIC conduct their own original research projects.....is that a collective of people who dont use Cannabis that sit around throwing ideas at each other, or are the general public invited to say their piece?

also, i never mention anything about smoking when i asked about human trials..... - i understand that smoking any vegetable matter would be carcinogenic.....but i dont think ingesting it would be harmful.
while the Cannabis might have been grown organically, sativex, marinol and dronabinol are all man made with additives ...not to mention they`re NOT readily available to the general public at reasonable prices. >:(

Cannabis resin can be extracted naturally and consumed/used in a number of ways......i dont see the problem there :nea:

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Having said that there are a number of studies that link cannabis use with agression/violence while this seems to be counter intuitive when people are stoned.


If aggression was such a focal point in why cannabis is criminalized, then why is alcohol legal and 'encouraged in society'. Comparing aggression levels between alcohol and cannabis doesn't take a psychologist degree it's a no brainer - cannabis _if anything_ clearly does not contribute directly to domestic or sexual violence. What does contribute to drug related violence is us 'users' having to go behind the law to aquire and enjoy this gift of nature. Many folk refer to it as their 'medicine' - because the pharmaceuticals have let them down. If the government wasn't waging war on cannabis there wouldn't be an underground market & associated crime attached. These folks who use it for more than recreational reasons wouldn't have to be paranoid the cops are going to bust their door in constantly feeling like a criminal.

Studies into far fetched ideas are obviously propaganda attempts - witch hunting if you will. The paper by Swartout, K.M. & White, J.W is an absolute crock, possibly originating from a scam to claim a government grant for 'research', which was them embezzled into their pockets. If that's wildly outrageous of me to say i'm sorry but by the summary you posted i'd sooner believe that than the paper having much more than a smear of truth in it relating to cannabis being a cause. It's the governments stance on cannabis that causes violence if anything.


As we also note in the factsheet the association may be as a result of the individual's other psychological problems and dealing in an illicit drug market.



Oh great! the NCPIC does realize what I was getting at above. Too bad it's only 'noted' and not recognized as 'a main contributing factor'.

I am not aware of any trials using smoked herbal cannabis and see no reason to do so when Sativex is available to scientists as a botanical pharmaceutical of known cannabinoid dose and combination, which is organically grown and not smoked & doesn't have to be swallowed when people are feeling nauseous.


Why should research & trials into cannabis include an extra 'variable' - which is essentially a synthetic base product to test?? Posted Image
Do you think that sativex is the same as ingesting real cannabis? Posted Image I know sativex is not strictly synthetic, but then again it's not strictly natural is it?

I stand corrected that no further processing of the hash oil extraction is performed on sativex Posted Image


NCPIC is not funded to work on medicinal cannabis as it is a specialist science. I am happy to pass on any contacts I may have to assist publicising should this board be established.


Awesome, sounds like the NCPIC should have plenty of free time to ditch the propaganda reports and start recommending an alternative to cannabis being included in the war on drugs - promoting a medical cannabis scheme such as the US implementation perhaps would be a good start. Decriminalization all together shouldn't be considered irresponsible or impossible either - after all it's not cannabis that's a dangerous drug, it's the black market and criminal activity associated with OUR CURRENT LAWS. Cannabis has never killed anyone how can you possibly label it dangerous?

I'm also very curious whether you have ever had a joint or ingested some cookies while in an unbiased state of mind?

The best form of research the NCPIC can do into cannabis use is by having a full time ambassador with an open mind do more than answer a few Qs and avoid the others in this community. Try to get to know us, come into the chat, read the stories of our battles with the law, rippers and day to day life of a pro cannabis joe blow. I think you'll find most of us are quite successful, intelligent, well natured and relaxed folk around. You'll discover that we have made a conscious choice to enhance our lives with cannabis. We've had a few 'reps' from gov. ,political & law enforcement come and go. They leave hated by the community because they have been unhelpful, closed minded and biased towards their paying employers opinions. They don't trust us and so we nor them.

Maybe Jan you can be the first that we respect and open up to? Don't you find it strange that australia's foremost cannabis prevention organisation, is not actively involved in the biggest australian cannabis community? How many tax payer funded job placements do you have at NCPIP? talk about negligence.

Cheers for stopping in.

Edited by ConvexConepiece, 15 April 2011 - 11:40 PM.

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It has not yet been detailed who we are talking to here, so for those who are not familiar with the NCPIC please allow me to briefly enlighten you ...

National Cannabis Prevention & Information Centre (NCPIC), Jan Copeland is the founding Professor and Director of the National Cannabis Prevention and Information Centre

'Jan C' is employed by an Australian Governmental outfit whose

'mission is to reduce the use of cannabis in Australia by preventing uptake'

Jan C's job each and everyday is to prevent the use of Cannabis amongst the Australian population, in particular the young and Aboriginals
Where it cannot prevent the use of Cannabis it then seeks to 'treat' those of us who do use Cannabis

It is absolutely pointless even asking the National Cannabis Prevention & Information Centre NCPIC to accept any positives that Cannabis use offers ..

If this is not true then perhaps Professor Jan C can tell us here on this Forum just how many positives, related to the use of Cannabis, the NCPIC has come across in the past 3 years of research into Cannabis and its use?

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I just saw you on the ABC Jan. I have to say you reminded me of some concerned parent who has a lot to say about it, but yet in reality has very little understanding of the actual cannabis plant.

You claimed cannabis raises the risk of schizophrenia, but how have you come to that conclusion when the rate of cannabis use has fluctuated over the years, well the rate of schizophrenia has remand stable?

You said cannabis is more potent, which makes it more dangerous. But do you have any solid evidence cannabis is more potent? Do you have any kind of evidence which indicates more portent cannabis results in a more dangerous drug?

Finally, why does the NCPIC not recognize and attempt to make the public aware of the significance nicotine plays with cannabis dependence in Australia?

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It has not yet been detailed who we are talking to here, so for those who are not familiar with the NCPIC please allow me to briefly enlighten you ...

National Cannabis Prevention & Information Centre (NCPIC), Jan Copeland is the founding Professor and Director of the National Cannabis Prevention and Information Centre

'Jan C' is employed by an Australian Governmental outfit whose
Jan C's job each and everyday is to prevent the use of Cannabis amongst the Australian population, in particular the young and Aboriginals
Where it cannot prevent the use of Cannabis it then seeks to 'treat' those of us who do use Cannabis

It is absolutely pointless even asking the National Cannabis Prevention & Information Centre NCPIC to accept any positives that Cannabis use offers ..

If this is not true then perhaps Professor Jan C can tell us here on this Forum just how many positives, related to the use of Cannabis, the NCPIC has come across in the past 3 years of research into Cannabis and its use?


:peace:

Mate, you hit the nail on the head there. Totally agree with you.Just watched Jan C on the ABC, Why is it that they ignore the great medical benefits that cannabis has. Oil taken orally has proved it's self. Research in Italy & France has showed it reverses breast cancer cells with no side effects, there's lots of research around the world, all positive. But Jan wouldn't have a nice salary if it was seen for what it is.
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I have to say why are we even bothering here? Does anyone really expect we are going to make any ground? I mean is NCPIC really interested in what this community has to say?

They have their policy/stance/view point, back it up with whatever flimsy studies they can find (regardless of how obvious it is that even any negative study pales in comparison to other substances/social problems, namely alcohol), and just toe the organizations line.

NCPIC is nothing but a smoke screen for other organizations and the government, I mean their name itself is laughable, when history shows up time and time again prevention through misinformation never works, especially not with cannabis.

Too much invested in prohibition and a threat to other industries; god forbid a government could allow such a great thing to be free market :rolleyes:

Edited by Psychonaut, 16 April 2011 - 11:49 AM.

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