Emergency! Please Help! #2

[ConFuzzed]

PLEASE! I need your help! I have discovered yet ANOTHER problem in my grow room. Does anyone have any ideas? I have been told this is a nitrogen deficiency which I have attempted to correct but have no knowledge of specific products available in AU. I was also told it was a trace elements deficiency and have applied Richgro Trace Elements with no results. I was also told it was a blight, but this was by someone who only had my description, but no piccies. I have (THANKS to PainMan's timely and MOST helpful advice!) solved my fungas gnat problem with neem oil, but this has been my ONLY success, thus far!

 

I am very ill and the stress of my first grow in Australia is literally taking my life, so any suggestions would be very helpful. I NEED THIS STUFF TO KEEP ME ALIVE! Seriously, I was supposed to be dead almost three years ago and the cannabis is my lifeline. I have previously grown in the United States and several parts of Europe. I also spent two years in Amsterdam learning about cannabis and its medicinal properties. When I can be out of bed for more than a few short moments, I promise to update my personal information for more details-- and I look forward to sharing some of what I have learned about medicinal cannabis in my world travels to try to help others in my position....

 

This is my third attempt at a Grow Session (in AU) and if I cannot figure out what's happening and correct the NUMEROUS problems my grow areas, it may have to be my last. That would be unfortunate because I am too ill to get on another plane to fly to another country (simple and least traumatic explanation: my husband brought me "home" to die).

 

Any advice that members can give me specific to indoor (medicinal) growing in AU will be helpful- Most urgently, my current problem(s), but also anything from fertilizers & additives, potting soils, tips & secrets, etc.

 

I'm literally running out of time here, so time is most urgent!

 

Edited December 10, 2009 by ConFuzzed

[Frazz]

Heya .. im unsure of your plant's ailments but perhaps you may find the information contained in the thread "Nimbin pharmacy" that may assist you , see here https://cannabis.community.forums.ozstoners...showtopic=26709

 

[gitm69]

Hi dude,

 

Sorry to hear that your health is not well, The plant in the images you uploaded has a phosphorus deficency, it can be corrected by using anything that has a level of P (phosphorus) such as p-k 13-14 at 1 ml per liter for a week, or something simelier.

 

This is also a good online guide you can use -www.greenmanspage.com

 

What ever you need help with PM me and ill try and guide you the best i can.

 

Take care

[freddie]

ConFuzzed I think that looks more like magnesium deficiency. I have had similar looking plants and they responded to epsom salts. If you scroll down the link gitm put up you can see the bad pic but I think its more likely that than phospherous. More details of your grow method might help. It could also be a PH problem.

 

Sorry to read about your health. I hope Frazz's info is something you can make use of.

[gitm69]

Hi, looks very close to Mg but P also produces the black patches you see on the leaf in the first pic (mag creates rust like spots and the leaf dies out looking like N def NOt curled up like we see here) if you are not sure who to listen between us 2 you can treat for both as Canabis can tolrate high levels of mg so even of its not def it will be ok. have a look at the pic again freddi mg does not look like that.

 

Peace out.

[freddie]

Hi, looks very close to Mg but P also produces the black patches you see on the leaf in the first pic (mag creates rust like spots and the leaf dies out looking like N def NOt curled up like we see here) if you are not sure who to listen between us 2 you can treat for both as Canabis can tolrate high levels of mg so even of its not def it will be ok. have a look at the pic again freddi mg does not look like that.

 

Peace out.

Hey gitm69 I have looked at the pic again and I'm still leaning toward Mg especially when I look at the third pic on Confuzzeds post. We could both be wrong. I've looked up a few descriptions and all different. With Phospherous deficiencies you should get very dark green leaves shouldn't you? and the necrosis I didn't think was a symptom of P deficiency?

Phosphorous

 

P deficiency is not common indoors, but may appear outdoors, particularly in dry, alkaline soils or in depleted soils, or during cool weather. Phosphorus deficiency is characterised by slow and sometimes stunted growth. Leaves overall are smaller and dark green; red colour appears in petioles and stems. The leaves may also develop red or purple colour starting on the veins of the underside of the leaf. Generally the tips of most of the leaf blades on the lower portion of the plant die before the leaves lose colour. Lower leaves slowly turn yellow before they die. Remedy with any soluble P-containing fertiliser. Affected leaves do not show much recovery, but the plant should perk up, and the symptoms do not progress.

Magnesium

 

Mg deficiencies are fairly common. They frequently occur in Soilless mixtures, since many otherwise all-purpose fertilisers do not contain Mg. Magnesium deficiencies also occur in mixtures that contain very large amounts of Ca or Cl. Symptoms of Mg deficiency occur first on the lower leaves. There is chlorosis of tissue between the veins, which remain green, and starting from the tips the blades die and usually curl upward. Purple colour builds up on stems and petioles.

 

A plant in a pot may lose much of its colour in a matter of weeks. You may first notice Mg symptoms at the top of the plant. The leaves in the growing shoot are lime-coloured. In extreme cases, all the leaves turn practically white, with green veins. Iron deficiency looks much the same, but a sure indication of Mg deficiency is that a good portion of the leaf blades die and curl. Treat Mg symptoms with one-half teaspoon of epsom salts to each quart of water, and water as usual. The top leaves recover their green colour within four days, and all but the most damaged should recover gradually. Continue to fertilise with epsom salts as needed until the plants are flowering well. If you are using soilless mixtures, include epsom salts regularly with the complete mixture. Because Mg deficiencies may indicate interference from other nutrients, foliar-spray with Mg to check your diagnosis if the plants are not obviously recovering.

http://www.marijuanagirls.com/MarijuanaFre...Guide.html#c9_4

 

And this description:

A magnesium deficient plant is identified by intervenial chlorosis, necrosis, and eventually a lockout of plant nutrients. The problems starts at the bottom of the plants and works it?s way up.

http://www.stonerforums.com/lounge/growfaq/1382.html

EDIT It could well be a PH problem.

Edited December 10, 2009 by freddie

[gitm69]

Hi freddi my friend cheers for the invested answer, iam talking from exeperience and ill bet my right nut that this is a P def. By the shape of the leaf ,mass of the plant and from the fact that P is the only def that creats almost black spots like fungi not dark brown (necrosis) like the other common def mg being one of them.

[ConFuzzed]

Hi freddi my friend cheers for the invested answer, iam talking from exeperience and ill bet my right nut that this is a P def. By the shape of the leaf ,mass of the plant and from the fact that P is the only def that creats almost black spots like fungi not dark brown (necrosis) like the other common def mg being one of them.

 

Thanks to both of you. I have been treating witrh Epsom Salts now (daily at each watering) for over a week as I thought it looked like a P def myself. I will also try the other as I managed to pick up the P-K as recommended. Keep your fingers crossed for me- this is my last attempt. This whole thing practically has me confined to bed 22 of 24 hours (stress can be lethal to me)...

[ConFuzzed]

ConFuzzed I think that looks more like magnesium deficiency. I have had similar looking plants and they responded to epsom salts. If you scroll down the link gitm put up you can see the bad pic but I think its more likely that than phospherous. More details of your grow method might help. It could also be a PH problem.

 

Sorry to read about your health. I hope Frazz's info is something you can make use of.

 

 

I have been treating with Epson Salts for more than a week now as I thought this appeared to be a magnesium deficiency, as well (I only have a book with piss-poor pictures for comparison as I have grown in both Europe & the USA with NO problems). Will give you more details of grow process ASAP (as I explained earlier, I am very ill and my time out of bed is currently limited to a couple of hours spread throughout the day-- I mostly use those for intake and gardening!). The soil PH tests out at 6.5. I have also been told that I have product damage on some of the leaves (I applied PainMan's neem oil solution to my foliage and that seems to have damaged the leaves), so we shall see...

 

Stay tuned, more to come...

[ConFuzzed]

I am open to any and all ideas on indoor growing in AU (I have grown both indoors and outdoors in America and Europe with huge success, but this is my third attempt here and I am having NO luck). I grow in soil (Yates) and keep my temps regulated at 70-75 degrees fahrenheit (about 21-24 degrees celsius) and humidity at 50-55%. I use compact fluorescent growlights (I have checked and I do have more than adequate lighting for my area). I have been using Yates products (seaweed booster, multinutrient plant food). I have had huge success with the fungas gnat problem by using PainMan's "prescription" of neem oil. I have two areas, one is currently my clone area (I have been most successful at cloning recently- well, so far, anyway) and the other room contains plants about to begin the flowering stage. I am on a very tight budget as I have spent my life savings trying to "cure" my cancer (chemo for one cancer graciously gave me a second and both are "resistant" and "terminal", as well as being in the Stage IV area of progression). I basically live on a disability pension-- and the generosity of my husband's family. I will be adding growing information as my very limited time allows so that people can better assist me (I am homebound and bedridden most of the time)...

 

I am terminally ill and was supposed to be dead three years ago. Cannabis is my lifeline, so this is very important to me. Currently, my monthly pension from Europe is used to buy my medicinal cannabis and the pention may be discontinued at the first of the year (of course, I cannot get a prescription, so I get to do the whole "criminal thing" every month). I would like to be able to continue to have product because I sincerely believe that without it, I will be dead within months. Stress is not good for me and my growing nightmares are literally killing me (least traumatic explanation: my husband brought me "home" to AU to die). I also spent two years in Amsterdam learning about cannabis, growing & medical research, mostly. My lack of success is very depressing, disenheartening and I am ready to give up- except that this means I will surely die.

 

Thanks to everyone in advance for their help and if I do not get back to each of you immediately, it is because I am back in bed sick (this happens for weeks and months sometimes). If I cannot figure this all out, I am lost as I am too ill to get on a plane to fly to another country where I've had numerous successful grow sessions.

 

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