All Done With Mirrors....

[Indycar]

Good luck with that square box round circle thingy.

 

[BaronS]

this post of 'whispy buds' grown under CFL sure proves that theory.

 

https://cannabis.community.forums.ozstoners...32&start=32

[Pure]

Umm baron I got nothign against you but allot of it looks like popcorn to me and a perfect example of how fluro's just don't cut it on their best day of the week nice grow for a first attempt and I think you really would have done great with better lighting thanx for prooving my point

[SeaHiPPieS]

COrrect me if I am wrong but you already spent 140 dollars on each fluro .... First fluro cost $129 - second and third cost $39 each (as stated if I remember correctly on my first post) when we can pick a HID up for 160 where is the upfront saving really sure you save the initial 20 bux but in turn you just bought a shitty chinnese copy instead of a designer product . Don't you think the Chinese have the capability to 'design'? Where are the components made on your computer? in designer land? You'll find it's made mostly in China _ I remember when the population used to say this about the Japanese - Now they sell more TOYOTAS than any other car -Copied?

 

I have watched people grow with fluro's led's and every other brilliant light source they could think of for the last 15-20 years and one thing never ever ever changes ... neither fluro's or led's have the penetration power to grow decent buds , sure you have some fluro growers throwing literally thousands into their systems that are doing ok , but the truth of it is , sat next to a HID grow with all other factors where the same the fluro' led grows look like wispy crap.

If you can explain the 'penetrating power' of the light spectrum I'm sure we can possibly learn something here - Is there scientific formula to explain ''penetration power of light'?

The reality is you can bounce this light off of whatever you want to and it will still make sweet fuck all difference when it comes to forming flowers the weak and dispirst light won't provide you with what you need for decent buds.

I think your theory about bouncing light off whatever is far from valid or most growers wouldn't have grow rooms painted white or have reflective surfaces on the walls and reflectors over their lights would they?

 

Now I know everyone talks long term savings when deciding to use fluro's but often fluro growers grow in the red , what they spend on their grow and setup often FAR outweighs the savings gained from the harvest savings , to me that makes the whole excersise although interesting pointless, you will spend less keeping a 400 or 600 watt light running a quarter than you will spend on a few quarters in that timeframe cept with the HID's you can at least to pull a few oz a harvest instead of a few grams of wispy buds *This will be what it's all about - If the 'produce' is comparable to HID - It should be the proof of the experiment. But without a proper control experiment - None of us knows the end result. Speculation is not an equation

 

Some people like yourself though are clearly thik as shit and have to see things for themselfs enjoy your 3 gram harvest and don't let the door hit your ass on the way out , the way you have spoken to some people ain't gonna be tolerated by you or any other piece of shit like you .

Here is a display from a hero behind a keyboard safe at home -My friend you'd shit if he came face to face with myself - Insults are for cowards hero - save em for your missus

[SeaHiPPieS]

No one could argue there for sure. I just don't think you will from my exp. If I'm wrong I'll be surprised.

 

Peace MongyMan

 

 

Ps Don't get me wrong...I'm not taking the piss in any way.....just giving my input based on my experience. Experiment away. It is the best way to learn if anything.

 

MongyMan If by chance it is a comparable grow - maybe it was worth lookin at - Let's face it the best light is the star just over yonder - they're using it in different ways now - solar energy n solar furnaces etc..

 

I'll be not one bit embarrassed if it doesn't work - least I tried something a bit different - At least people here only insult different ideas - not so long ago they'd burn us for it - Have a great day dude

[flatcat_auz]

SeaHippies Quote:

 

Here is a display from a hero behind a keyboard safe at home -My friend you'd shit if he came face to face with myself - Insults are for cowards hero - save em for your missus

 

 

 

 

Nice seeing you seahippies............now go and drown........and quietly please......you have made yourself a big enough dickhead already.

Edited November 12, 2009 by flatcat_auz

[BaronS]

NOTE: The thread I pointed to ain't my (pathetic) grow, it was simply coincidental that I had opened that thread 5 minutes before reading the recent parts of this one.

 

Though not the chunkiest heads ever to bless our gardens I'd be quite happy pullin gear out of a small grow that, a few days ago, possibly quick dried, smoked OK and is now of that size.

 

Comparing costs of ~250W HID vs CFL

 

CFL needs two lamp holders vs 1 for a 250W HID.

You can probably get 3 130W CFL lamos for the price of 1 250W HID.

CFL lamps have the ballast built in, vs HID separate ballast.

 

The power consumption of a CFL is stated on the device.

The power consumption of HID must include the, possibly as low as 80%, efficiency of the ballast. A 250W ballast will _probably_ draw 310W. (.8*310 = 250)

 

This idea of 'penetration' interests me, and I have read much discussion. Nowhere in any such discussion has anyone suggested how HID produces 'strong' photons, vs CFL's 'weak' photons. Anyone that can show me _any_ science about strong vs weak photons will earn my undying respect.

 

EDIT: forgot HEAT

The HID system will probably also draw additional power because it needs additional ventilation to cater for the heat. Having my own current problems relating to both fresh air and heat dispersal I'll hapilly agree that both systems require adequate ventilation but how much is both startup and running cost affected?

 

Most of the validity for CFL also relates to small spaces.

Edited November 12, 2009 by BaronS

[flatcat_auz]

My system 600w light, pump, 150mm can fan and a few other small running things.......$3.64 a week and $36 or so a month and $3000 for the year.

How did he do this? I hear you ask...?

 

Borrowed a power measuring device...........tells you much juice your pulling(watts........Kw/per hr.....up to 10amps) and hourly....daily.......weekly..........monthly........yearly running costs.

 

Got it from my local library

[BaronS]

did you calculate that on recent pricing? seems a bit off from my calcs.

 

(I'm only calculating lighting power)

 

DOH EDIT:

 

what did I miss? Dunno whether you are talking 18/6 costs or 12/12, but either way it's gonna be different to mine.

Edited November 12, 2009 by BaronS

[Pure]

Here is a display from a hero behind a keyboard safe at home -My friend you'd shit if he came face to face with myself - Insults are for cowards hero - save em for your missus

 

 

I didn't insult you I called you a peice of shit if you have a problem with that mabey change the way you act , the truth is in person if you acted like this I would still call you a peice of shit and have a nice old laugh at your popcorn

 

Your a noob trying out things that people that didn't even get a 5th grade education tried out 30 years ago you really think your this new bright spark that is gonna figure out where others failed ? Cause to me you just seem like another arrogant noobie that likes to talk about big buds and savings but ain't actually ever pulled more than an oz off a plant, and like the others in the past will fail to " show us all " when the time comes

 

Explain this worth to me in your equation ... how is it worth it to you to take the same amount of risk and receive pittance ? How much do you smoke ? personally I would need to grow over 32 plants assuming a 3/4 oz yeild to even hope to sustain myself , otherwise I have risked it all for nothing and will still have to pay for buds ... needign to grow that amount also ups heating , it also ups electricity , and it also ups setup cost ... ALL without improving the " whispyness" , Now when I weight that up to the one or two plants I can grow to achieve a larger yield of higher quality denser buds wheres the gain in the fluro option

 

As for penetration if your mind can't wrap the concept around where it makes a difference perhaps you should stick to sowing seeds in an aerogarden

 

A nice example that they use with Children to demonstrate light dispersion and penetration is by using a few different torches with various bulb types against the wall at a distance perhaps you will be able to understand it that way too, your best hid copy is probably a xenon bulb, fluro and led are both readily available already.