Glow releases PGR formulas

[mull-ray]

Hi guys I don't know if this is best posted here but I thought you may find this really interesting. I spent some time going through Glows site last nite.

 

http://www.integralhydro.com/plantgrowthregulators.html (He's given ingredients and instructions on mixing PGRs)

 

Wow - what do you think? Who's going to give them a go and let us know how they worked? (I don't use them)

 

He says on the site to feel free to pass the formulas on..... Christ, I think there may be some pissed off manufacturers out there.

 

MR

[thc24]

have used both products years ago in the 2 part Uturn additive and an unnamed pac and cyco 2 part mixes.

paclobutrazol @ 1 drop per 30litres of water. $10 for 10ml = thousands of grows worth day 1 through 7

cyco or other @ 1ml per litre. $ 50c to 1.00 per ml day 7 through 14

 

Works if you want your sativas chunkier but no need with most strains. Who needs there buds chunkier? not I . weightier maby for some but mostly who cares what it weighs if its strong 1/2 cone gear.

 

Old news in the industry im guessing its been avaliable in uturn, unnamed,superbud at my local since 01/02 ish.

 

 

I doubt any will be pissed there would be sooo many variations 1 part , 2 part , 4 parts at all different dose rates delivery agents and all sorts of chemicals and or slight differances. paclobutrazol being quite common in some products without doubt.

[mull-ray]

OK I know nothing about it myself but know lots more now. I did the maths on the formulas. Cycocel 750a is about 231ppm on delivery at 1.1. to 1.7 SG (based on their MSDS). Yes and easy stuff but based on what you're saying you're miles off the mark . I used to be an industrial chemist so what exactly are you saying? (er one drop is not exactly science and sounds like absolute rubbish to a chemist) I'm a bit confused because you're not speaking chem (the academics) and one drop means nothing to anyone with a chem education. Tell me how you used these products (exactly including the base ingredient/active@ ? g/L at how many L in the reservoir) and I'll do the chem calculations for you and then let you know how many ppm you were using and compare it to Glows formulation which is at 77grams a litre CC (used at 3ml/L) in the concentrate which equates, based on his dilution rates, to 231ppm upon delivery to the plant, Your answer made me do the math - what is one drop to how may litres is my question? I'm confused and also know that most growers know very little about chemistry but seemingly like to make it seem otherwise on forums. Please run your numbers by me and I'll calculate them for you to w/v%, ppm and grams per litre.

 

And yes, I think these products are poisons and have never used them. I smoke only cannabis - not chemicals where I can.

 

MR

[thc24]

Hi Mull Ray,

 

Im pretty sure you where around a couple of years ago when i was using UTurn, Might have missed my early threads where i explained how I was directed to use these types of products.

 

Most of my experience is with an unnamed product.

Part 1 is sold in 10ml dripper bottles. and why i mentioned drops my guesstimation FYI would be about 10u or 1/10th of a ml per 30 litres i always used it towards the weaker end of recomended dose because i had on going mould problems.

 

 

In my growing years my local grow shop has sold 2 variations of Paclobutrazol, current Paclobutrazol (white/Brown sepperated mix till shaken) and a weaker green solution of the early 2000 years. If i still used these products i may have been able further help but ive stopped using all PGRs, only ever heard of mixing via PPM when used as a folia spray but i chose to dose via res.

 

 

I see that G. low has mixing directions from active ingredients but im thinking i was using a store bought chemical straight from the bottle in a yates or simular brand bottle, a licence is needed to buy it here apparently so i bought smaller amount through my local.

 

 

chlormequat 77mg/l rings a bell and simular to / cycocel being the Part 2

mostly used at between 1ml and 2ml per litre from day 7 to 14 then flushed. If you want more info ring Growth technoligies they did some tests with these chems years ago and claimed it to be safe IF there directions where followed both Part a/ B. But i later came to question this as its simply not needed to grow fine herb.

Without a lable to go by i dont think we will solve this mg per litre of Paclobutrazol although with the descriptions given (colours) you may be able to work something out sorry i only know of this one chemical name for Part 1.

 

I have to scoot will update further with pics if needed but i wont be getting any info from grow shop they sell but dont talk chems. BTW i used no delivery agents although they are cheeper than the actual chemicals used.

 

Thc

[mull-ray]

Hi thc24 I haven't tried these products so I just looked at the formulation glow has provided and crunched the numbers very quickly concluding approximately a concentrate of 77g/L.

 

I looked up Cycocel products on the net after looking at the MSDS that glow links to. There is one Cycocel that is 77g/L called 77a http://www.fatcow.com.au/c/Crop-Care-Austr...rop-Care-p18408

 

So you could use this at 3ml/L also. I grow for myself and smoke my own and have always been a bit suspicious of what these products contain. I remember the whole Superbud thing - a friend was telling me about this fantastic product and telling me it was organic. I was tempted to use it but decided to wait and then next thing it turns out to be chemicals and not organic. The smoke grown by my friend also tasted terrible and that put me off as well. The store I shop with has offered me Yield Master several times. I say each to their own but I know personally that I would not want my herb to contain chemicals and am very careful to flush.

 

MR

[thc24]

Been there Mull Ray take in all the info you can 1 day it will come in handy, I too am lucky i have a few mates with same intrests to bounce ideas off and side grow with certin products ATM trying a new root booster in a couple of room conditions.

 

 

The Uturn type products helped me in the early days achieve good yields but there was something not 100% about my grows when taste testing. IMO its better to get to know your strains and use previous grows to judge stretch rather than grow to 90% then turn with PGRs you will be a better grower for it.

 

Ive had a decent scope for a while now and cant agree that these products hugely change resin production although odor and taste of final smoke did improve with later grows without PGRs, that could have been a direct effect of the PGRs or just improvement as i dropped afew additives except silica, rhizotonic and enzymes ontop of a good nute...

 

 

 

I totally agree i cant hold anything against anyone for wanting to try these products although I would want to fully understand what is in and how to use PGRs at there lowest possiable rates. Id say its best to have a grow under your belt without PGRs to see the effects in person rather than relying on hear say there may be no improvement in weight if your room works really well.

 

Scrogging and PGRs work well together i must say. ive had some of my weightier grows using this method, but it takes time to Veg to size 4 weeks 1 pot per light. Lately ive been using higher plant numbers 4 to 6 per light to get simular results without PGRs and NO veg other than what they get after rooting under flouros. My first baby step towards perpetual growing was setting up a dedicated flower room since then my growing has further improved... as long as im improving im happy

 

This is one of the last grows Using Pgrs, its alittle hard to see but total stretch is maby 20cm since adding part-1. Without Plants normally triple in size

 

 

without Pgrs plants are alot bigger generally, keep stretching through flower and need more support later in flower. buds tend to be 3x longer and more likely to become top heavy.

 

At the end of the day im growing the same if not better bud in 10 weeks vs 14weeks vegging for PGR dose. SOG is the best way to perpetual grow if I throw clones in the flower room plants only tipped once rarely get over 4 foot are even in size and easily harvested. I have tried a Scrog or two allowing the stretch to fill my screen as in first pic but it can make for a messy harvest and bulk leaf and under foliage.

 

 

 

 

 

I know these pics are over a few grows but you may be able to see the change in flower node distance, in person its hard to miss a PGR grow. I hope this has given you a glimpse of PGR without actually doing it yourself..

 

 

Take it easy

THC

[mull-ray]

Great pics thc24 and yes I will pass on PGRs.

 

MR