Costs of Incorporating an organisation

[smokinjoe]

I've gotta be frank, I really don't know much about NORML in terms of it's inner politics; my suggestion was merely for an organisation that has a lot of credibility and a professional image,

[Priceadon2]

I am confused. I have posted a few reply's here and the next day find they have been edited out. wtf

[MongyMan]

I am confused. I have posted a few reply's here and the next day find they have been edited out. wtf

 

 

As far as I know none have been Price. Are you sure they posted properly?

 

Peace MongyMan

[MadamePandora]

I haven't seen any posts by you Price that have gone missing ...

 

In fact I was wondering if you were MIA ... but I don't think anything has been removed.

[Priceadon2]

bugger maybe I just forget to post them then.

might be my bad am on a new range of meds so it might have been my mistake.....woops

 

I have 4 weeks left of this course and I think I will go back to the Cannabis. Atleast the weed did not make me feel like I was going insane.

Edited August 25, 2009 by Priceadon2

[freethinker8]

Can someone please explain the reason why you would even want to register your organization with the same organizations violating your rights by preventing you access to your medicine/recreation?

 

 

 

I believe registration is not only voluntary, but in the case of a cannabis group a very bad idea.

 

 

The registration process involves applying (begging) to enter into a contract with the government, effectively granting them authority over the organization to the extent of that registration contract.

 

To apply you need to sign something right? Your signature is agreement to a level of liability. That's why it's used in contracts.

What that liability involves depends on each specific application and its terms, and there are also presumptions and tacit contracts that get created which go beyond the document itself, that may not be disclosed unless you demand disclosure.

 

I'm pretty sure "register" comes from the word "regis" which is apparently latin for "of the King". (Go look it all up to verify)

 

Registering something is applying to the King/Queen (now the Crown/State) for his blessing (ie. permission) and for his help/services, and that is akin to allegience/contract, and granting them authority.

If you swear allegience to the King or State then you're granting them jurisdiction over you (and/or whatever property you register), in return for the supposed benefits you get.

 

The other important point is in many cases if you ask permission to undertake a lawful act it can still be unfairly denied, because by asking you grant them the right to make decisions.

 

 

Though if you simply claim your right to do it, using valid legal procedure (the same kind of claim procedure used by States to get their alleged authority), then as long as it's a lawful act (eg. creating a peaceful organization, growing/enjoying some consumables, etc.) and a Jury of your peers think your actions are acceptable then you do not need permission, and you do not need to register ANYTHING.

 

Only a lawful Jury of peers have to give you "permission".

Do you know 12 people with good standing (ie. not criminals) who would agree that setting up a cannabis organization is an acceptable thing to do?

If so then you have a valid claim of right, which is in most criminal codes as establishing "lawful excuse".

 

This should even work with smoking/growing cannabis if you know how to handle the legal battle to enforce you rights.

But with a simple lawful activist organization there isn't even a statutory violation so they can't even start a legal battle in the first place.

 

 

 

Don't just believe or disbelieve what I'm saying. Go research it and prove/disprove it.

Pretty much every claim I've made is provable.

If you disprove it please tell me what you find.

 

If you MUST register and incorporate your organization then start your own small (or large) society, set up your own public registry, and register/incorporate it yourself. Then you're only bound by law and your own rules, rather than being bound by government policy.

 

The society can just be a name and a short mission and/or list of goals, and some simple rules.

The public registry can be just a public page on a website listing the organizations registered.

The gazette can be just a publicly viewable and commentable blog.

 

What makes it valid is that the information is all published and that the existence of the organization is "claimed".

It's like a modern online version of the concept of "stake your claim".

 

 

Then once it's all set up just send the government notice (not application) to make them aware of your gazette, registry, and society out of courtesy, and to give yourself more weight, by allowing them the opportunity to dispute what you're doing.

If you know you've not harmed anyone or breached any contracts then they can't dispute what you're doing, or they're violating your rights and can be reprimanded.

 

When they fail to tell you what you're doing is unlawful (because it's not) then they've acquiesced to what you're doing (which is tacit agreement through silence).

That acquiescence should be a valid argument in court IF they have lots of opportunity to speak up and voice any conflicts they're aware of.

 

The reason it works is because of the claim process.

If you claim something is true in a contract/equity matter and those who hear you don't dispute your claim, and have had plenty of opportunity to do so, you can lawfully presume they have acquiesced.

Governments and courts use this strategy in equity courts to enforce dodgy rules/claims of theirs. So we can at least use it to enforce lawful, rational, peaceful claims of our own.

 

 

Anything the government can do (as alleged representatives of the people) the people can do their selves.

 

 

 

 

I know most people have been well conditioned to believe that you must ask permission from the government in order to exercise our rights but it's rubbish. The government do not own us and we do not need to register anything with them unless we want them to be involved in our affairs.

 

Before you register anything I recommend going and learning up on the implications of doing so. Then make the decision of whether you want to register it.

 

If you don't know what rights you're giving up by registering something then don't do it.

 

If however you evaluate the implications with all the info and decide to go ahead there's nothing wrong with that, at least you know what you're getting yourself into.

I'm just trying to provide an alternative strategy and some food for thought, not to actually tell anyone what to do. You must decide what's best for you and your community.

 

 

 

If anyone has any alternative views please let me know.

I'm not a lawyer, just a keen researcher (among other things), and I do not know it all (which is obviously impossible).

I'm just figuring it out bit by bit and so I am open to constructive debate.

 

Feel free to constructively critique my views.

 

 

 

Cheers