DMSO Anyone?

[JustAskSally]

Hi there, an earlier post prompted me to do some reading and am just curious about anyones/everyones experiences using DMSO.

 

It is something that i haven't seen covered anywhere and cannot come up with much more than general use information no specifics from people stating results from actual grows and with comparisons with other things like DM penetrator and similar.

 

I was wondering if it could be used for foliar feeding for the same purpose as DM's penetrator, and i have read that it is good to help cutting throw roots but would it be used on its own or in combination with rooting gells/powders to help the chemicals break the tissue barrier easier for quick shooting roots. Also has anyone tried a couple drops in the res to help the roots with nute uptake?

 

Any info would be appreciated as i havnt had any experience (in the garden) with this chemical for myself and it definately looks like it could be quite usefull for many things.

 

Cheers

JAS

[SukonmiSkunk]

all i use is DM original with monstabud and ozitonic for flowering.. maybe a little Rock juice if needed.. organic ofc....also i ad a little silica and zone at the start when i plant the clones out..

[JustAskSally]

When i say DMSO it is not a Dutch Master product. I was comparing DMSO to DM's penetrator..

 

DMSO is a chemical used most commonly(i think) in australia by Race Horse owners for applying topical ointments and by people for mixing with LickySD because it makes the skin barrier ultra absorbent and makes topical ointments or similar easier to actually be absorbes by the skin.

 

It does the same thing in plants thats why i have read its good for cuttings, and you can actually buy medicinal grade DMSO on ebay for human use, i just thought someone on here might have some experience.....

 

You can read about it on wiki here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimethyl_sulfoxide

 

 

If not i might buy some off ebay and write up a thread on it.

 

Peace

JAS

[yields]

You might be onto something, DMSO may very well be the key ingredient in dutch master penetrator.

 

heres what I found.....

 

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The use of herbicides and pesticides

has proven to be a mixed blessing to mankind. While the value of increased production of food for human consumption has been important in meeting the nutritional needs of the world, the addition of large amounts of herbicidal substances which are often slowly degraded has caused environmental damage. The regulation of use of herbicides to avoid excess dispersal of these active agents into the environment has become an increasing concern to agriculturalists and environmentalists.

 

The use of dimethylsulfoxide with herbicides has previously been suggested. A study done in 1964 used DMSO with herbicides in solutions containing 0.5 gpa of DMSO to 1 gpa of a mixture containing picloram-2,4-D mixture. Using this large amount of DMSO proved to result in efficacious killing of plants. However, the use of such large amounts of DMSO (33%) in herbicidal compositions has not been practiced, and would undoubtedly be too expensive for widespread use. Furthermore, as indicated in this specification, such concentrations are neither necessary nor advisable.

 

DMSO has also been used in insecticidal compositions. U.S. Pat. No. 3,321,364 discloses use of DMSO with the insecticide for use in compositions containing ryania. The DMSO is in very small amount and appears to be used primarily as a solubilizing agent.

 

Keil, of the U.S. Department of Agriculture has suggested use of bacteriocidal and fungicidal compositions containing oxytetracycline and 0.25% to 0.5% DMSO. No use of DMSO in herbicidal compositions is taught therein. Keil suggested that the increased effectiveness was apparently due to the increased absorption and translocation of the active agents.

 

Robert L. Weintraub has studied the effect of DMSO on plants. He found that aqueous solutions containing 40% or greater amounts of DMSO on cacao seedling caused marginal necroses. It was reported that addition of 0.05% to 15% DMSO to various nutritional supplements such as salts, nutrients, metabolites and dyes resulted in increased absorption.

 

It has also been reported that use of 10% to 100% DMSO as a solvent enhanced penetration of herbicide to leaves. It goes without saying that use of 10% to 100% DMSO would be prohibitively expensive for use in agricultural application.

 

 

It was also reported that use of 1% to 5% DMSO in fungicidal compositions resulted in enhancement of action of some fungicides. No improvement in effect was seen when used with some of the fungicides.

[yields]

http://www.vet-pet-supplies-online.com/prod3069.htm

 

1LTR of DMSO liquid $62.70

[Pure]

I would have been the person that mentioned it on the forums I think

 

To simply answer your question about foliar feeding there is no need as the plant has the ability to do the job itself what you want is a wetting agent and a very fine mist for a good foliar feed.

 

DSMO is meant to act as a carrier to things that would normally not pass through tissue or spread so easly, It is probably most commonly used in things like flea treatments for animals but over the last 20 years has made huge leaps into the human medicinal industry , it is particularly usefull for people that suffer from pain but can't injest medications which is a very common set of issues

 

I played with DSMO for a few years on and off , experimenting with plant alkaloids more than anything I did a little bit of experimentation with cannabis aswell and found that tinichers where probably the best thing to combine with.

[JustAskSally]

From experience does it substantially help cuttings take? Thats the main area i have read that its used for in horticulture, although i think i read somewhere that it might be used on its own.. Anyways I just thought that combined it might make your rooting gel/powders super absorbent and reduce the plants response time..?

 

Also i understand that you want a wetting agent, wouldnt mixing DMSO with non-toxic soapy/detergent water make it then a wetting agent? I mean DMSO is water soluble so wouldnt it make sense that if you found a soap or similar that would safely lower the surface tention of your solution ?..........

 

Thanks for the handy info its good to hear from others with experience coz atm i really cant afford to buy all these things just to experiment with.

 

Peace

JAS

[yields]

I would have been the person that mentioned it on the forums I think

 

To simply answer your question about foliar feeding there is no need as the plant has the ability to do the job itself what you want is a wetting agent and a very fine mist for a good foliar feed.

 

DSMO is meant to act as a carrier to things that would normally not pass through tissue or spread so easly, It is probably most commonly used in things like flea treatments for animals but over the last 20 years has made huge leaps into the human medicinal industry , it is particularly usefull for people that suffer from pain but can't injest medications which is a very common set of issues

 

I played with DSMO for a few years on and off , experimenting with plant alkaloids more than anything I did a little bit of experimentation with cannabis aswell and found that tinichers where probably the best thing to combine with.

 

What type of plant alkaloids!?!? ;)j/k

 

What exactly are "tinichers" dude?

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"0.05% to 15% DMSO to various nutritional supplements such as salts, nutrients, metabolites and dyes resulted in increased absorption."

 

So couldnt you just add 0.05%-15% DMSO and reduce the nutes and additives by say half for example?

Edited June 23, 2009 by yields