absolutely terrible

[Closet Grower]

reading about that has really put a downer on my day , it's so fucking sad .

 

Kill the cunt I say !!

[Innocent criminal]

I want to make a comment on this topic but in all honesty it's beyond words how you could even do that to your own daughter. I can only hope that he gets what he deserves, but he wont. he deserves to be thrown off a bridge himself and see how he'll cope, worst case scenario, permanent disablement and no pension. best case... well squish.

 

man that makes me sooo angry

 

Pebbz

 

Pretty much sums up my feelings on this as well.

I say take him back up the Westgate and chuck the fucker off!! right onto something soft but not too soft if ya know what I mean? then just leave him there as a jellied mess (hopefully dying REALLY slowly in a puddle of his own bodily fluids ).

[Teucer]

I don't have lil tackers, but that don't mean I don't feel.

 

I just can't understand it. I really can't. What a friggin tragedy.

 

It takes a lot for me to shed a tear, but this story had me balling. It just gets to you hey.

 

Poor lil girl. And her siblings will be traumatised for life.

 

There seems to be a spate of child-killing by parents in the last few years. Remember south east NSW a year or so ago? And the other reports as well?

 

What is going on?

 

Sad sad sad.

[medi-useA]

I cannot condone what this guy did....but I know NOTHING of his mental state at the time...

As a CARER and friend of a schitzophrenic for the last 12 years I have seen firsthand how VERY little the state and federal gov. and health system in general gives a flying fuck about ppl with problems...as long as they don't do what this guy does, they want nothing to do with them...it's only after incidents like this or self harm that they step in...and then it's too late..for someone...in this case the girl.

I pity him and all his friends and family....This was probably NOT planned and the result of a phychotic episode that SHOULD HAVE BEEN PICKED UP SOONER by the authorities...

 

Save your vitriol for the ankles who kidnal, rape and kill ppl.....the long term abusers who beat, starve, and torture children the elderly

and the infirm...police and lawers who take bribes and break the law...polititions who break public promises and give themselves

REPEATED payrises.....and corporate CEO's who fuck up a company, lose thousands of ppl's life savings and then move onto the next set of victims with a mulit-million $$ golden parachute...

 

Pity the dead girl...pity her siblings who watched it happen...feel horror at what the father did...but lay the BLAME at the feet of

those who deserve it.......now if we could just work out who they are...?

 

Remember. there's always another side, people....

 

peace out

muA

[Teucer]

I understand what you're saying MuA, and it certainly has merit.

 

I struggle with the concept. I know we have amongst us some very ill people that require care and that the government doesn't give a toss.

 

But this guy was mentally stable enough to hold down a marriage and produce 3 beautiful lil tackers. He had recently gone through a divorce and I'm sure it would have affected him - as it would ANYONE. Therefore, I stand by my original comments, shoot the f***er.

 

I also find 'mentaly unstable', or 'psychologically challenged' to be far too common an excuse in serious crime defences. Look at the recent bushfire tragedy. The defence barrister is already claiming that his demon defendant is psychologically challenged.

 

Not too challenged to gather for himself all equipment needed to start a fire and to amass for himself a collection of child porn.

 

You mentioned that we should

Save your vitriol for the ankles who kidnal, rape and kill ppl.....the long term abusers who beat, starve, and torture children the elderly

and the infirm...police and lawers who take bribes and break the law...polititions who break public promises and give themselves

REPEATED payrises.....and corporate CEO's who fuck up a company, lose thousands of ppl's life savings and then move onto the next set of victims with a mulit-million $$ golden parachute...

 

I agree these people are also terrible. But in your definition, who's to say they also aren't mentally challenged? Surely someone who is mentally challenged is more likely to continue crime over time, rather than one-offs? That is, if there really is a condition there. I can't see how one minute you can have a problem, and the next not. Sounds a bit too convenient.

 

I also can't get past the issue of personal responsibility. I feel that our society is moving against the concept. That anything we do is not our fault.

 

I'm sorry, and this will sound a little unfeeling I suppose, but I still feel - in the absence of a completely debilitating mental issue - that he deserves not to be alive right now.

 

Also, just because someone's had a crappy life or giving through hard times, and is emotionally unstable, is absolutely no excuse at all.

 

If you have to kill someone to get attention, then I would pay a heap of attention with a hangmans noose.

 

 

I'm sorry this post appears to be emotionally charged, but I'm sure you can understand given the material. It's certainly not aimed personally.

[67Special]

Revenge achieves nothing except lowering the vengeful to the level of the offender imo and violence only begets more violence

 

If he's suicidal, just leave a blade in his cell and let him take care of himself. The poor bastard probably regrets this more than anyone(maybe ). I know that if I woke up one day to find that I'd hurt one of my kids, I wouldn't be suicidal for long, I'd be dead.

 

It's sad to see these things happen too often in our society.

 

My deepest condolences their family

[Nooby]

I also find 'mentaly unstable', or 'psychologically challenged' to be far too common an excuse in serious crime defences. Look at the recent bushfire tragedy. The defence barrister is already claiming that his demon defendant is psychologically challenged.

 

It's also a circular argument.

 

"Your honour, my client is not a criminal, he is 'mentally challenged'."

 

"I see, and in what ways does your clients mental state express itself"?

 

"Well your honour, it causes him to light fires, beat people up, throw kids of bridges, rape women and steal X-Boxes"

 

"Ah, so logically then, anyone who commits such activities is, by your definition "mentally challenged"?

 

"So then all crime is only committed by people because of their 'mentally challenged' state, therefore crime cant be committed by anyone who isn't mentally challenged, therefore our penal system is not full of criminals, but full of poor 'mentally challenged' people."

 

"Therefore there IS no crime, therefore we shall let everyone out of gaol tomorrow."

 

 

hehe, I'd make a great barrister!

[Teucer]

Here here Nooby!

 

I was having this very conversation with the Missus yesterday.

 

Surely, all folk (with the exception of self defence/war) have to have some mental issues to rape, murder and pillage in the first place? I can't see how you could do that and not be 'challenged' somewhat.

 

So does this mean all offenders walk free? No gaol time? I think not.

 

67special,

 

I agree. But I think we need to differentiate between revenge and punishment. Revenge is an emotionally charged act that aims at achieving justice without trial.

 

Punishment is that meted to those that have proven their guilt by trial - sometimes with trial by a jury of peers. And if it's a special case - the jury always have the option of 'jury nullification'.

 

If we weren't to punish offenders - and in these cases, infanticide and mass murder, most severely - then what do you suggest we do? Let them walk free?

 

Sometimes the individuals rights are NOT more important than that of society as a whole.

 

I put it to you that to argue otherwise is to argue for anarchy.

[420Gemmy]

too horrible for words...

[67Special]

67special,

 

I agree. But I think we need to differentiate between revenge and punishment. Revenge is an emotionally charged act that aims at achieving justice without trial.

 

Throwing the offender from the bridge sounds more like revenge than punishment to me Tuecer.

 

I certainly wasn't defending his right to live mate, but I struggle to understand why we prevent him from punishing himself. If he doesn't do a satisfactory job, well then the jury can give him a sentence.

 

I agree that mental illness should not be allowed as a defence. If their mental condition prevents them from existing peacefully within our society, then they've forfeited their place in it, imo.