insanity in its highest form

[smokinjoe]

Yep , somewhere along the way we forgot about "sustainable" Farming . Producing pot without seeds promoted a market where we could BUY seeds ,, so we brought it upon our selves I will be making seeds from now on ,,, so I dont have to buy them

 

 

The more I read about it the more tissue culture propagation makes sense.

 

If one could put together a grow room, including seed raising, clone taking; striking & raising, growing & flowering I'm sure it is possible.

 

Being resourceful enough one could feasibly put together a TCP home lab; (edit) reasonably cheaply.

 

Be very useful for breeding I should imagine and common amongst the orchid raising community.

 

http://www.plantbiotech.com.au/planttissueculture.html

 

Sounds all rather appealing to me.

 

I'm thinking would be a very handy means of preserving male strains; entirely eliminating accidental pollination.

Edited November 3, 2008 by smokinjoe

[wallyduck]

While there are amateurs around thinking they have 'the shit' and people believing their sales pitch bullshit, this is always going to happen. Support rip off seed banks instead like Nirvana, KCBrains, BC Bud Depot who sell seeds for the right price, and who are just ripping off someone else who popped a few good seeds and ripped off someone else.

Wankers, yes wankers like RezDog, WallyDuck, Reeferman, Subcool etc are all a part of a big wink wink money making scam to make themselves money.

I can think of less than 5 hybrid 'strains' from 'breeders' biggrin.gif that I would class as stable, for example the Skunk bred by Sam Skunkman was stabilised only after selecting from a total of 10000 males in the breeding process, as opposed to say WallyDuck's Ducksfoot, that was first produced by accident via an unknown source thumbup.gif

The rest, 99% are just crosses of nice plants by seedhack amateurs like you and me bil, who did a bit of reseach and have a bit of room to make seeds.

My mate at the Sunny Coast has his sativa strain as stable as ANY seedbank strain. Last 100 seeds he gave me out of the 1000's he has, were free.

All the 'heirloom' genetics garbage some Americans dribble on about is nothing more than seeds saved off nice smoke that was shared and spread amongst growers nono.gif but according to them nobody outside California is capable of producing or keeping good seed ? whistling0000.gif

Don't pay the ridiculous prices. Make, making seed a priority, share the seeds, and we will all have no problems

 

Guys like you amaze me cane toad, nothing to offer the community but happy to whine about those that have done something.

You have no idea what you are on about and should stay on topics you are more familiar with.

[flatcat_auz]

Guys like you amaze me cane toad, nothing to offer the community but happy to whine about those that have done something.

You have no idea what you are on about and should stay on topics you are more familiar with.

I'm not going to buy into who is and isn't a wanker nor who is or isn't qualified to make comments but surely your not justifying seeds that retail at $500+ for 10.

 

Unless their genetically modified under laboratory conditions (how awesome would that be!!!!) it's either a misprint or a rort.

[wallyduck]

I'm not going to buy into who is and isn't a wanker nor who is or isn't qualified to make comments but surely your not justifying seeds that retail at $500+ for 10.

 

Unless their genetically modified under laboratory conditions (how awesome would that be!!!!) it's either a misprint or a rort.

no chance id advocate pricing like that its plainly highway robbery , as you say more likely a misprint .

for the record, wallyduck seeds has given away for free up to half a kilo of seed, in the true spirit of spreading around good genetics and getting others to grow, kinda blows comments made by folk like cane toad right out of the water.

[wallyduck]

Sorry for venting my thoughts a little, it just upsets me when folks with little idea go and bag others for giving things a go,

just to clear up a few things on other so called wankers in this thread ..

rezdog has given to many charitible organisations with his seed profits, i recall him helping a close friend of mine a few years back after an unfortunate bust aswell , and you cant deny he is supplying his customers what they are asking for,

reeferman works with landrace strains a lot and has to be commended for bring new lines to the table ,

i know less of subcool , but have read some very handy grow threads he has made,

to me all the above are doing good and aiding the cannabis community providing a helpful service while risking their freedom to do so and certainly dont deserve the title "wankers" .

Just thought id toss in something of history for the likes of cane toad on finding genetics by accident, .. Have you heard of haze by any chance ?? if you look into the history there youll find it was one of sam skunkmans all time favourites , however it was an accidentent made by what sam says were not breeders , just lucky growers. Food for thought???

[TheTreeBoundRat]

Hi WallyDuck dont think Ive seen you on the forum before but obviously youve been around for a while. This is off topic but Im just wondering if you could share some insights into strain selection and timing when it comes for growing in the tropics. Ive had mixed succes outdoors with various strains at diferent times of the year here(NQ). The only thing I do reliably is vegging inddors/flowering out. I'd be grateful for any tips.

 

Thanks

[wallyduck]

Hi WallyDuck dont think Ive seen you on the forum before but obviously youve been around for a while. This is off topic but Im just wondering if you could share some insights into strain selection and timing when it comes for growing in the tropics. Ive had mixed succes outdoors with various strains at diferent times of the year here(NQ). The only thing I do reliably is vegging inddors/flowering out. I'd be grateful for any tips.

 

Thanks

I certainly can riverrat, there isnt a lot of info about tropical growing that ive come across and it has been quite a lot of trial and error to learn what i have .

the choice of strains for the right time is pretty critical , early maturing strains like many available on the net will do best in the dry times of the year to avoid mould as im sure youve seen a bit of that ,

pure sativas can also be done in the dry season , some will flower and finish successfully before its time for them to reveg , they are a bit hit and miss though , and i think best put in later in the season before the rains get too heavy , they should flower as the rain finishes, or at least not be in full bloom until then ,, seasons vary though so its not always a sure thing, im know youd be aware of that where you live.

My choice is to do the most of the growing in the dry season , hence my use of early maturing strains mostly , but i do enjoy the more sativa girls and alway s put some in for the rainy season.

One thing youll find, all cannabis strains will grow well outdoors for you in your location depending on the time of year you grow them unlike your far southern and northern hemisphere cousins and indoor growers , you have a vertual cannabis garden of eden outside your door //..

[Frazz]

It is great to have posts from breeders here wallyduck they are most welcome.. cause it gives us the growers an insight into a breeder's lot and it is very rare that breeders take the time to visit this forum and give their 2 cent's worth .. yes that may well be because they do cop abuse ..

 

no need to apologize for venting your thoughts as no one likes to be denigrated or get unloaded upon thats just human nature,

iam not without guilt either cause on occasion i have given a spray at breeders too

 

generally speaking it would be fair to say that breeders stick together and ive read on other forums of the generosity of breeders too, yet when you say

" all the above are doing good and aiding the cannabis community providing a helpful service while risking their freedom to do so "

it comes across as a bit selective cause it is we growers who are paying these breeders for their helpful services at the price they nominate ..

you know, dont get carried away and put your fellow breeders in the same class as Mother Teresa

 

and i wouldnt doubt you when you say you give away half a kilo of seeds, and credit is due in that case .. ive never seen a post on these forums saying they have been recipients of such generosity...

by the same token i also accept Australia is probably a piss-ant sized collective of growers alongside US an European markets and sales ..

 

i dont mean any offence against you wallyduck and you have every right to defend yourself and your friends

im just pointing out the growers here come from the other side of the fence to you breeders and we probably will never see eye to eye and some may hurl abuse, that happens in all communities to a degree but is probably the minority of members

 

thanks again for taking the time to give us your thoughts, i think it brings us closer to an understanding of each other and just after reading your posts here i have a greater respect for you than had you not bothered to respond

[wallyduck]

Its a bit of a shame everyone doesnt see things as they are frazz , theres no elite group of guys above all the other growers , we are all just growers .

Yes i can certainly see why some breeders would avoid places where they will cop abuse, theres really no need for that , we make out we are peaceful and understanding folks us stoners , but to others reading the forums at times we must seem like a bunch of bickering children .

How can we expect to be taken seriously and have any chance at getting this legalised when we cant even stand as one.

 

One thing that needs to be made clear to everyone is that cannabis breeders do not make millions of dollars , some companies that sell seeds do quite well , if anyone bothered to do the maths they would see for themselves ..

Growing cannabis for sale is far more lucritive than breeding cannabis seeds for sale .

[Innocent criminal]

One thing that needs to be made clear to everyone is that cannabis breeders do not make millions of dollars , some companies that sell seeds do quite well , if anyone bothered to do the maths they would see for themselves ..

Growing cannabis for sale is far more lucritive than breeding cannabis seeds for sale .

 

As someone who, at best, can say he has done a few select crosses I am hardly a breeder. Yet this fooling around for personal satisfaction has given me some idea what is involved in producing decent seeds, as wallyduck says, selling weed would be a lot more profitable! once you account for the extra time (no 6 weeks finishes for seed) and work (ever tried growing out a few hundred males to select one?) required to get decent seeds. I can only imagine the amount of time and $$$ that must go into producing even half decent IBL's, and a lot are done indoors now, thats $$$ just there.

I'm not saying that those seeds you see for ridiculous prices are justified, but your average $50 ten pack isn't making anyone rich if you think about what actually went into producing those seeds, and the risks run in making them available to the public.

 

Oh and for the record, I have never paid for a seed, always been traded/gifted seeds (plenty have been seedbank strains too) and don't think that the seeds from seedbanks are necessarily any better than the ones that get passed around local growers all the time. Still, seedbanks have their place as not all of us have access to decent free seed, and it allows fresh genetics to be brought here that might never be available otherwise.