Organic Veging fertilizer

[PeaceGrow]

Hi guys,

I’m after some organic veging fertilizer. Maybe something like fish emulsion or something.

 

My soil consists of organic compost mainly,

With small amounts of

-vermiculite

-perlite

-propagation sand

-peat moss

 

It also has a healthy amount of blood and bone mixed into it.

 

I also have seasol for a folia spray and all purpose sort of feed, what is the view on seasol?

 

I have a bottle of monstah bud for flouring.

 

So any recommendations or info?

[PeaceGrow]

Upon some research i have compiled a list of potential organic nutrients in my price range. all easily obtainable.

 

What are the opinions on these products?

 

A & B Organic Grow 2 Liter A&B Set $25.00

A & B Organic Bloom 2 Liter A&B Set $25.00

 

Bio Juice Grow 1lt $20

Bio Juice Bloom 1lt $20

 

GUANO SUPER GROW 1 LTR $22

GUANO BLOOM LIQUID 1 LTR $22

 

I also found some canna stuff but its expensive, too expensive unless its twice as good?

Canna Bio Vega (Grow) $39.00 1lt

Canna Bio Flores (Bloom) $39.00 1lt

 

I found Ozi Magic Bud Grow available for $16, would this be a good addition to one of the organic grow mixes?

[RobbieGanjaSeed]

Sounds like the plants will go mongrel just as the mix is already. there's two things that can happen by over-fertalising. One of course is having the reverse effect to what you want, that is it will injure the plant so much it will slow the growth and depending how bad the over-fert is done, of course outright kill ya plant.

 

Then there's simply "waste". As in you can obsorb "so much" of each vitamins in your diet, and if you get them naturally through ahealthy proper diet, taking extra multi vitamins will result in no benifit to yourself, and your body just pissing them out.

 

Depending on what your plan is to do with the plant's life, grow it inside with a short veg and a flower, or place it outside to last a 4 month outdoor veg and then flower, will depnd on if you'll need to fertalise them with extra fert at all.

 

This will depnd just how strong the mix is you made, and the strain of grass you're growing.

 

what it comes down to is getting to know what a healthy forward moving plant looks like and use intuitive thinking.Plants have a rally healthy "reach for the sky" look to it's general growth when it's growing at it's peak. The leaves will actually kind of point to the sky and there's no mistaking a healthy quick growing plant. The line between this and knocking the same plant down with overfertalisation is fine, and you'll know exactly what a healthy looking plant looks like the day you cross that line and you think to yourself "gee it looked so good yesterday..."

 

Guys who have grown up on hydroponics alone tend to think you'll need to use fertaliser ading to the mix, but seriously, if it's a decent mix, welll in just my opinion...I would see how they grow without adding any juices at all. If you're tempted to use some fertaliser, there's a world of great organic fets out here, and it's really a matter of knowing what NPK you wish to add to the plant, and that's somethingbetter learned by reading and undestanding so you can tailor things yourself.

 

It's all gonna depend I think, on what the "compost" you're using is made up of. (not in materials, ..Imean in actual strength). I wouldn't mind betting if you're going to verg for just a few weeks, you'd be far better off letting the plants settle in with using somethinglike ryzotnic if you feel you want to use something. it's all natural and will help your plant use what's already available to it, and concentrate on finding a good flowering mix to get ready for the flwoering.

 

I can only guess from here, but it's my guess you will see good growth for the first few weeks, and seeing as you ought to start adding flowering nutes a little before you start flowering periods, that's the nutes you should be looking ofr.

 

if you find a need for veg nutes, I'd be making manure teas if you want to stay organic. This again depends on if it's inside or out, because it'll stink ya house out if it's inside..

 

good luck.

rob.

 

PS. Any fertaliser that's designed for rpaid leafy growth. Something advertised for lettuce, that kind of thing will be a good veg fertaliser. As opposed to fertalisers designed for root crops or fruit.

[mull]

Hi PG.

 

Had ok results with the bio juices, yet to try canna's. Not strictly organic, nitrosol works ok for veg.

Seasol is ok as an additive.

 

Not sure if you have made your own compost? You can make fish emulsion easily.

Like Rob said, your mix sounds pretty well fed.

Could liven it up by feeding the microlife a dash of mollasses.

 

Make your organic teas in a res or container with an airstone.

 

Definitely use worm castings in the teas, the wine or liquify some.

 

Best with the organics.

[PeaceGrow]

Tomorrow they will be 3 weeks, they are under 3 18w fluorescent lights going 24/7. The 4 middle ones seem to be growing well but the 3 on the outskirts of the light area are lacking light. I’m thinking of putting on the 400w HPS but I was waiting till my fertilizer arrived, I ordered some budding and veging guano mix. so far they have been surviving on only seasol made into a folia mix. The compost is 100% organic, store bought and it doesn’t say what’s in it or NPK value.

[RobbieGanjaSeed]

I wouldn't wait for the nutes to arrive. If there isn’t anything stopping you now, get as much light on them as possible . Or else you'll never know what's slowing down the growth, if that's the case with two of them. Sounds like light deficiency hey.

 

If you're going to use organics, something mullaway mentioned is the micro life. If you haven't read up on how the plants actually take up nutrients, then you'd be doing yourself a big fave to read about micro life types. Really basically, worms and other types of life eat the soil, and fungi and bacteria eat the poo from these animals (fungi and bacteria also eat the poo from centipedes that eat the worms, and burrowing toads that eat the centipedes...), and ultimately the plants feed on the gooey broken down mucus of the bacteria etc.. Using organics to grow your plants is great, but to be sure they actually get the food, there has to be these micro-lives in your soil. If it were in the garden outside it'd be easier to deal with, but even though you aren't going to get the same life inside in a pot, there has to be some activity there. So having all the greatest stuff in the world in the pot is of no use unless it can be made available to the plants to eat. Of course, compost has already been processed to a point where it’s becoming accessible and so with any stuff you use, if it’s water soluble, it can be taken up by the plant with the water, just as it would if you were using chemicals etc. But there is a whole lot more to organics that just that…if you want it to be.

 

Plants grown really healthy with organic material develop feeder roots, and tap roots. Plants fed on nutrients watered in to the earth with no life acting as a go between have to alter their natural method and draw every single nutrient it will need up through the water roots. This works fine as hydroponics attests to. But something about plants grown with good feeder roots in living soil, that neither chemical nor organic fertilisers can do, if the organic ferts are being used without micro active life in the mix. It might be pushing it a bit expecting a really healthy environment in a pot, under some lights, but if you haven't looked into this important aspect of plant growth, you'll improve your understanding of growing a hundred fold no matter what you decide to do.

 

Feeding a plant on organic or artificial fertiliser is a big world of difference in how the plants actually feed. Using organic ferts without the life force to break it down for them, you'll be basically fertilising them as if it's chemical, only a messier mix. If you're in for a penny, be in for a pound mate. Organics is a tremendous word that helps you understand more than just plant life. Many people have credited it to them understanding life better even. That is to say, "natural" life, and give a far greater appreciation for the intricate interlocking way our earth exists.

 

Watching any plant grow, fertilised anyhow will give you a greater appreciation for life. But to get the gist of what's really happening , stops you from being as inspired by the huge things in life and leaves you marvelling at the tiny unseen things. And besides that, as I said, will help you understand the needs of a plant so much better and will help you in future understanding of your plants needs no matter what u use.

 

Research stuff like Humus, and rhizomes (gee, not sure about that rhizome spelling). Any decent article will get you there. Articles about bio-dynamics will really give you great insight. For my part, I am decidedly against any ideas of magic in the soil from burying cow turd in cow horns(something you may come across while reading about biodynamics). But I do know scientifically it is exactly as they say, and can see why the ancients thought it was magic. It's eye opening stuff to see what really good prepared compost and similar will do for a plant. Sure behaves like magic.

 

Of course, if you just want to grow your plants using natural fertiliser, and want performance without the bother, just add water soluble ferts as you intend to.

 

Wish you all the best.

rob

[PeaceGrow]

Thanks for the reply Rob

 

I will do some research on the workings of plants. Iv just finished building a worm farm to utilize a free supply of guinea pig and horse shit. I'm gonna try fermenting some Comfrey, nettles and Alfalfa as well.

 

The main reason there under the fluro is electrical cost, but since there fairly leafy now and it sounds like they should have some nutrients il put them under the HPS.