If you take cannabis & vote then Ron Paul is it !

[Jess Stone]

Dr. Paul’s Writings › War on Terror? It’s as Bad as War on Drugs

 

Summary:

 

For the first 140 years of our history, we had essentially no Federal war on drugs, and far fewer problems with drug addiction and related crimes was a consequence. In the past 30 years, even with the hundreds of millions of dollars spent on the drug war, little good has come of it. We have vacillated from efforts to stop the drugs at the source to severely punishing the users, yet nothing has improved. This war has been behind most big government policy powers of the last 30 years, with continual undermining of our civil liberties and personal privacy.

 

by Ron Paul, Dr. October 30, 2001

 

I would like to draw an analogy between the drug war and the war against terrorism. In the last 30 years, we have spent hundreds of billions of dollars on a failed war on drugs. This war has been used as an excuse to attack our liberties and privacy. It has been an excuse to undermine our financial privacy while promoting illegal searches and seizures with many innocent people losing their lives and property. Seizure and forfeiture have harmed a great number of innocent American citizens.

 

Another result of this unwise war has been the corruption of many law enforcement officials. It is well known that with the profit incentives so high, we are not even able to keep drugs out of our armed prisons. Making our whole society a prison would not bring success to this floundering war on drugs. Sinister motives of the profiteers and gangsters, along with prevailing public ignorance, keep this futile war going. Illegal and artificially high priced drugs drive the underworld to produce, sell and profit from this social depravity. Failure to recognize that drug addiction, like alcoholism, is a disease rather than a crime, encourage the drug warriors in efforts that have not and will not ever work. We learned the hard way about alcohol prohibition and crime, but we have not yet seriously considered it in the ongoing drug war.

 

Corruption associated with the drug dealers is endless. It has involved our police, the military, border guards and the judicial system. It has affected government policy and our own CIA. The artificially high profits from illegal drugs provide easy access to funds for rogue groups involved in fighting civil wars throughout the world. Ironically, opium sales by the Taliban and artificially high prices helped to finance their war against us. In spite of the incongruity, we rewarded the Taliban this spring with a huge cash payment for promises to eradicate some poppy fields. Sure.

 

For the first 140 years of our history, we had essentially no Federal war on drugs, and far fewer problems with drug addiction and related crimes was a consequence. In the past 30 years, even with the hundreds of millions of dollars spent on the drug war, little good has come of it. We have vacillated from efforts to stop the drugs at the source to severely punishing the users, yet nothing has improved. This war has been behind most big government policy powers of the last 30 years, with continual undermining of our civil liberties and personal privacy. Those who support the IRS's efforts to collect maximum revenues and root out the underground economy, have welcomed this intrusion, even if the drug underworld grows in size and influence.

 

The drug war encourages violence. Government violence against nonviolent users is notorious and has led to the unnecessary prison overpopulation. Innocent taxpayers are forced to pay for all this so-called justice. Our eradication project through spraying around the world, from Colombia to Afghanistan, breeds resentment because normal crops and good land can be severely damaged. Local populations perceive that the efforts and the profiteering remain somehow beneficial to our own agenda in these various countries.

 

Drug dealers and drug gangs are a consequence of our unwise approach to drug usage. Many innocent people are killed in the crossfire by the mob justice that this war generates. But just because the laws are unwise and have had unintended consequences, no excuses can ever be made for the monster who would kill and maim innocent people for illegal profits. But as the violent killers are removed from society, reconsideration of our drug laws ought to occur.

 

A similar approach should be applied to our war on those who would terrorize and kill our people for political reasons. If the drug laws and the policies that incite hatred against the United States are not clearly understood and, therefore, never changed, the number of drug criminals and terrorists will only multiply. Although this unwise war on drugs generates criminal violence, the violence can never be tolerated. Even if repeal of drug laws would decrease the motivation for drug dealer violence, this can never be an excuse to condone the violence. On the short term, those who kill must be punished, imprisoned, or killed. Long term though, a better understanding of how drug laws have unintended consequences is required if we want to significantly improve the situation and actually reduce the great harms drugs are doing to our society.

 

The same is true in dealing with those who so passionately hate us that suicide becomes a just and noble cause in their effort to kill and terrorize us. Without some understanding of what has brought us to the brink of a worldwide conflict in reconsidering our policies around the globe, we will be no more successful in making our land secure and free than the drug war has been in removing drug violence from our cities and towns.

 

Without some understanding why terrorism is directed towards the United States, we may well build a prison for ourselves with something called homeland security while doing nothing to combat the root causes of terrorism. Let us hope we figure this out soon. We have promoted a foolish and very expensive domestic war on drugs for more than 30 years. It has done no good whatsoever. I doubt our Republic can survive a 30-year period of trying to figure out how to win this guerilla war against terrorism. Hopefully, we will all seek the answers in these trying times with an open mind and understanding.

 

 

He is a Libertarian therefor MUST be opposed to non-libertarian & bigoted ,fascist drug laws , HE IS THE CANNABIS CONSUMERS ONLY FRIEND IN THE CORRUPT & FIXED PRES. ELECTION, also scary is that unaccountable voting machines with no paper trail & a private corp owning its contents, in confidence, trade secret don't you know, & this means no scrutiny, push the button for Gore presto magic it comes up Bush & you can't prove a thing , one of the machines the Diebold are an ISRAELI company ( heaven help us, eek, its the chosen races RIGHT to rip us filth GOYIM{ Judaic name for non-jews = CATTLE} off ) I note some ATM's are Diebold , might be prudent to use a bank that doesn't use Diebold ATM's

Yanks would do well if they came and seen how we Australians run an election , paper votes that can be counted over&over again and checked against electoral rolls, with many,many scrutineers from ALL Parties & Electoral Commission Public servants to try and prevent hanky-panky like the BS US elections. .... Jess S (what would I know )

 

 

source ..... Ron Paul 2008.com

Edited February 15, 2008 by Jess Stone

[RobbieGanjaSeed]

ooh...THAT Ron Paul, I remember him now. i didn't know he was still into politics, let alone running for pres. Not that I follow what happens on the American circuit anyway.

 

But what seems like quiet a few years ago now I caught a few minutes of him on a doco I recorded off the TV.. "the war againstthe war on drugs. I'm pretty sure it was him. he suggested legalising pot and taxing the arse out of it I think, as a means to support rehab programs and bring down the overall addiction problem wherever it's found kinda thought...

 

rob

[Guest niall]

So ah... just how _do_ Australians vote for Ron Paul? *giggle*

[gjrrbo]

I love it when "proffesionals" back up what we already know!

[Al B. Fuct]

Ron Paul supports teaching 'creationism' in US schools as well as supports vouchers for private/religious schools. I've said it before- Paul could hand out free buds by the bale, but US voters (including this one) don't want a bar of the rest of his policies. There's no grand conspiracy to keep the guy down- it's just that his policies are not what we yanks want.

 

I'm getting a bit sick of ppl who spam up this board with political advertising for Ron Paul. Do I have to create about 200 threads shoving Barack Obama up everyone's noses (and mainly those of Aussie readers) before my point is made?

[Dragonfan]

Ron Paul supports teaching 'creationism' in US schools as well as supports vouchers for private/religious schools. I've said it before - Paul could hand out free buds by the bale, but US voters (including this one) don't want a bar of the rest of his policies. There's no grand conspiracy to keep the guy down - it's just that his policies are not what we yanks want.

 

I'm getting a bit sick of ppl who spam up this board with political advertising for Ron Paul. Do I have to create about 200 threads shoving Barack Obama up everyone's noses (and mainly those of Aussie readers) before my point is made?

 

He won't get the nod anyway, has he even won any 'State Primaries' [if that's what you call 'em]? Scary though to think that McCain might get the nod on that side of the fence.

 

I for one would back Obama if I had a say in US politics [at least he admitted to 'inhaling'], mind you, having said that, I've never seen such an undemocratic version of purported democracy in my entire life . . . how the hell do any pollies in the US truly represent 'the people'?

 

This Aussie just sits and shakes her head [i've taken a bit of an interest in US politics this time 'round as my partner is American . . . not that he's ever voted in his life though . . .].

 

Bring in mandatory voting in the States and see what THAT does to the political landscape there as, as far as I can see, it's all just who's throwing the most moolah around . . . who can pay enough to the 'right' [albeit the wrong] people to get themselves elected . . . bugger all to do with 'the people'!

[Jess Stone]

gjrrbo Posted Feb 16 2008, 11:12 PM

I love it when "proffesionals" back up what we already know!

And I love how dud the US education system is .

On a serious note it's called "having an OPINION" last time I checked it was still legal (barely ) in both your & my country to vent an OPINION.

 

Al B. Fuct Posted Feb 17 2008, 07:08 AM

Ron Paul supports teaching 'creationism' in US schools

Oh really !

Ron Paul on teaching evolution

 

On May 3, 2007, MSNBC hosted a debate for the GOP presidential candidates at the Reagan Library in California. Near the end of the program, moderator Chris Matthews asked the candidates, "I'm curious, is there anybody on the stage that does not agree, believe in evolution?" Three hands went up, one of them belonging, naturally enough, to Mike Huckabee. Ron Paul, however, kept his hand down.

 

At a November 1 meeting of the Spartanburg (SC) GOP Executive Committee, Ron Paul was asked about this incident:

 

"Well, at first I thought it was a very inappropriate question, you know, for the presidency to be decided on a scientific matter, and I think it's a theory, a theory of evolution, and I don't accept it, you know, as a theory, but I think [ it probably doesn't bother me. It's not the most important issue for me to make the difference in my life to understand the exact origin. I think ] the creator that I know created us, everyone of us, and created the universe, and the precise time and manner, I just don't think we're at the point where anybody has absolute proof on either side. [so I just don't . . . if that were the only issue, quite frankly, I would think it's an interesting discussion, I think it's a theological discussion, and I think it's fine, and we can have our . . . if that were the issue of the day, I wouldn't be running for public office."]..... source ... PHYSICS TODAY.org

I have already provided a vidlink to this reply.

 

niall Posted Feb 16 2008, 10:48 PM

So ah... just how _do_ Australians vote for Ron Paul? *giggle*

Hey niall , you would have to admit the Australian voting system is SUPERIOR to the easily corrupted US voting machine elections ?

 

Jess Stone Posted Feb 16 2008, 03:14 AM

Yanks would do well if they came and seen how we Australians run an election , paper votes that can be counted over&over again and checked against electoral rolls, with many,many scrutineers from ALL Parties & Electoral Commission Public servants to try and prevent hanky-panky like the BS US elections. .... Jess S (what would I know )

Hmm ,seems like I don't take myself to seriously ,if you think about it ? (underlined quote)

 

Gee last time I checked this was a website called OZSTONERS , the OZ bit should be at least a bit of a clue, an AUSTRALIAN website, so it's hardly surprising there are Australians on it posting Australian OPINIONS , seems to me to make sense , this thread is in the INTERNATIONAL MARIJUANA news section , where it should be , the topic of the thread is totally appropriate as DRr No is voicing an opinion that is the only voice speaking out against the EVIL War on Drugs a war by governments against their own people which if he were elected Prez would have profound world wide ramifications , therefore effects me as an Australian who's government blindly follows US "leads" on war , Korea,Vietnam,Afghanistan and now Iraq countries that in no way have ever hurt Australia , and in the insane War on Drugs , so I'll voice my opinion on your elections : & "have a nice day"

[Guest niall]

Jess you do realise that Ron Paul has called it a day and has been focusing on his own re-election instead of the Federal election for some time now... right?

 

Great guy, and I'm more than familiar with Ron Paul, Diebold and paperless voting shenanigans... but is the title of this thread your own? I guess I'm not used to this site being "CannaNation" - I still think of it as OzStoners, so it just trips me up reading things advising me to vote in the USA elections posted here on an Australian site by a fellow Australian?

[Jess Stone]

NO HE HASN'T . I posted this link on the Obama Marijuana thread I started in this section

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryMliyeIDp4

[Jess Stone]

Jess you do realise that Ron Paul has called it a day and has been focusing on his own re-election instead of the Federal election for some time now... right?

 

Great guy, and I'm more than familiar with Ron Paul, Diebold and paperless voting shenanigans... but is the title of this thread your own? I guess I'm not used to this site being "CannaNation" - I still think of it as OzStoners, so it just trips me up reading things advising me to vote in the USA elections posted here on an Australian site by a fellow Australian?

 

Huh niall ?

1] Its in the INTERNATIONAL NEWS forum

2] He is the ONLY candidate in the US election opposed to the drug war

3] IF.... big IF he were elected President with his Libertarian beliefs then MJ just might get RElegalized

 

In summary it is relevent to us here in Australia as the US drug policy dominates the world and has lead to an acceptance of all sorts of draconian and fascist laws in regards to drugs and softened the public up to accept police state fascist laws think US Patriot Act & Howard Anti-Terrorist laws , you have and still are being conned .

Edited February 17, 2008 by Jess Stone