black strap molasses? or any molasses

[loylty gets u nothing]

hey guys

cant find any molasses in amongst shops in me local area

so i was hoping some1 here knows a good supplier..

and even better can tell me the best and easiet way to use it...

i want to use it as a carbohydrate and add threw out flowering

will the application of this fuck with the groove of me mixed nutes?

do i mix in and water with nutes?

or do i apply seperately??

all help is appreciated guys

stuff like carbo load from advanced nutes are simply mollasses i believe

id like to find a cheaper alternative to carboload

thanks guys

bil

[SukonmiSkunk]

try a saddle shop.. or a shop that deals with stock feeds... i got a 2 liter bottle for $3.50

[mull]

Hey Bill yeah SS is right, stock feed. You can get it in a 20 ltr bucket with a lid here for less than 20 bucks. The empty bucket and lid is handy for dwc to.

 

I use it for outdoor garden beds and some pots of soil. One or 2 tablespoons dissolved in hot water then added to a 9 lt watering can.

 

Be interesting to see how it goes in your res mate. Best of luck.

[Luke Skywalker]

Probably cheaper to buy molasses, yes, I think you'd be better with the carboload. It's not just molasses, it is a mixture of various sugars..... check out this link...Carboload powder tech info I'm using it meself as a support for piranha and tarantula in a comparison grow between AN lines and DM lines of nutrition. Seems to be doing very nicely. They recommend diluting with water to mix thoroughly and then adding to the tank. You'll have to work out an approximate dosage comparison for the molasses though.

 

Using any bacterial/fungal innoculants? It'll do em a great favour.

 

The carboload is much more expensive of course, but you're not just getting molasses.

 

Let us know how ya go.

[Pam]

I've been told that the dose for molasses is 1 Teaspoon (5ml) per gallon of water.

 

That't good to hear about the carbo load, I've got some coming in the mail along with Bud Blood, Big Bud, and Tarantula.

 

 

Instead of molasses organic sugar can be used instead. It's just a pain to dissolve.

Man first no peanut butter, and now no molasses? I get it at the food store by the pancake and corn syrup is.

Edited August 1, 2007 by Granny

[loylty gets u nothing]

thanks for the replys guys

ill pick some up asap

luke...i currently have 2 addatives i add for roots etc

1 is zyme a product from xtreme..1/2 gram to 50 ltrs

2 is bio booster from canadian xpress..1ml per ltre

i have used the carbo load in both powder and liquid

but unfortunately cant afford the price for constant dosing

im hoping that mollasses and zyme/bio will be sufficient for wen i apply the monstabud

as they recomend a glucose base to couple the monstabud

i think it will make for a great addition to the yard plants as well

revitalise and liven the soils a bit..

is timing with the molasses an issue ???

or can it be applied threw out the whole grow?

thanks again for the great replys guys

bil

[Luke Skywalker]

"as they recomend a glucose base to couple the monstabud"

 

Is that the Ozi Magic monstabud you're talking about? I've never heard of using a carbo base for that though.... That's just an organic flowering nutrient really.... or do you mean big bud by AN?

 

Is the Zyme from Extreme, (got a link perhaps?) a bacterial innoculant?

 

I think that link I posted has some info on the timing and using some other sugars. Use is constant I think, but you can certainly still use other things instead of the carboload. Thought about buying in bulk? You can definitely get an effect from a lower, say 1/2 dose too, so don't give up on em yet. They have a question on there that asks if you can just use icing sugar, (not icing mixture though, which has other things in it, but icing sugar) and they say it's fine, but won't be as good as their specific mixture.

 

The soil use will certainly be helpful, as you'll be stimulating the micro life to no end. But be careful with dosage. There's a bit in that AN piece that describes plants becoming very unhealthy if using too much, and you would also get best benefits from sugar based additives if you also used bacterial/fungal innoculants. The Bio Boost say they have microlife in there from memory, but I've never been all that impressed with the Canadian Express products.

 

You could also go a completely different route and feed the carbohydrates through the leaves, with something like DM's MAX-FX + Penetrator....

[loylty gets u nothing]

hey luke thanks for the reply

my info on the monstabud glucose etc

came from the aussie distributor of xtreme products

that tool that used to run we are hydroponics

he may just have been talkin shit to get me to spend up

and sorry no link for zyme as xtreme also is defunct i understand

but i understand it to have 32 different forms of enzymes in it

do u think beneficial bugs would be more appropriate

take care and thanks for the help and that link

billo

[Pam]

Hey guys, check out this site,

 

http://www.scdworld.com/showcat.cfm?cat=4

 

I think this might allow you to make your own!

 

http://www.scdworld.com/shop/showcat.cfm?cat=3

this page too.

Edited August 1, 2007 by Granny

[Al B. Fuct]

I've had the great molasses discussion on several cannabis boards. In the course of those chats, I've done a fair amount of research on carbohydrates as a plant fertiliser. Go ahead- hit Google and search for molasses as a plant fertiliser. Ignore all anecdotal writings- look for some peer-reviewed papers from a university with a good botanical science unit.

 

What I find is some research into use of molasses or cane processing waste being used as a soil conditioner, feeding microbes already existent in soils. I have yet to find any decent peer-reviewed botanical science writing that says multicellular plants themselves can assimilate carbohydrates as a nutrient.

 

If you're growing in soil, something like (unsulphured) molasses will feed your soil yeasties. However, in typical chemical (as opposed to 'organic') hydroponic systems, you're likely only to be feeding fungi and bacteria that most ppl are trying to kill in their systems (with H2O2, etc).

 

The (sorta) upside is that if you're applying H2O2 regularly (ev 3-4 days), the nutrient soln will remain fairly sterile and the local microbes shouldn't get too far out of control. However, a nice warm nute tank with some sugars in it would quickly become a pathogenic soup if no controls are used.

 

Since cannabis plants can't eat carbs (and cannabis plants should be the only life forms that should be growing in a chemical hydro op), I can't see the point of adding molasses or any other sugar to a hydro system.

 

If pathogens are controlled, molasses probably won't hurt anything, but there's no decent science I can find that says it is useful, either.

 

One thing that annoys the crap out of me is how a rumour added to a buzzword turns into a product on the shelf, one which I happen to believe has no efficacy- and also, believe it or not, one that I, as a hydro supplies distributor, happen to have available for sale! I don't have to like a product to stock it- I stock things because people want to buy them, not because I think every last item on my whse shelves is something everyone should use.

 

When a marathon runner eats a kilo of pasta before a race with the intent of slowly releasing complex carbs into the bloodstream during the race, the practice is known as 'carbo-loading.' Some clever marketeer at Advanced Nutrients has picked up on the phenomenon of cannabis growers adding molasses to their grows, packed up some molasses in bottles of water and called the product 'Carbo-Load.' Never you mind that cannabis plants themselves can't eat carbs.

 

Sometimes a practice becomes widespread in the cannabis cultivation community because someone has heard of someone else using such practices, but growers don't always go looking for the real-live, honest-to-goodness-replicatable-by-anyone botanical science behind the practice or product. I don't think the case for molasses or Carbo-Load is very good... but I'll sell you a jug of it if you really want it.